Player Watch #32 Samson Ryan

[tiger_tough]

Hit outs to advantage would be a nice change for the midfield.

Nank was 8th in the league for hitouts to advantage per game this year. It's still an overrated stat. Lions and Cats who faced off in the granny had ruckman who were 16th (Fort) and Stanley was 27th.

The only hitouts that are worth mentioning are the ones where ruckman can put it on the chest of a midfielder who hits it at pace and rucks that can do that are rare af. Gawn and Witts are good at it.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Nank was 8th in the league for hitouts to advantage per game this year. It's still an overrated stat. Lions and Cats who faced off in the granny had ruckman who were 16th (Fort) and Stanley was 27th.

The only hitouts that are worth mentioning are the ones where ruckman can put it on the chest of a midfielder who hits it at pace and rucks that can do that are rare af. Gawn and Witts are good at it.

Also need the midfielders who can capitalise on that kind of tap

We don’t really have them right now either

Our gameplan in 2017 in the middle was built around not winning the tap or getting first possession

If we can essentially bank on not winning it you just plan that way and structure accordingly

 

[Grrr]

Also need the midfielders who can capitalise on that kind of tap

We don’t really have them right now either

Our gameplan in 2017 in the middle was built around not winning the tap or getting first possession

If we can essentially bank on not winning it you just plan that way and structure accordingly

Nank was a big part of that because the pressure he put on at ground level in close negated the need for a pure inside mid somewhat. All our mids in our good years were more outside than in, bar maybe Prestia who was both, which asks the question, are pure inside mids all that important.

Our senior mids now are inside mids, Hopper/Taranto and Prestia since he has slowed down quite a bit. Shows the need for some pace and spread.

 

[Tzatziki_Man]

So we require one of the oldest, shittest midfields

Nank, Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Dow, Ross

To read the oppo rucks hit outs to win some centre clearances?

Sounds like weve already started down 2 goals before the ball is bounced (thrown up lol)

 

[Muddiemoose]

Nank was a big part of that because the pressure he put on at ground level in close negated the need for a pure inside mid somewhat. All our mids in our good years were more outside than in, bar maybe Prestia who was both, which asks the question, are pure inside mids all that important.

Our senior mids now are inside mids, Hopper/Taranto and Prestia since he has slowed down quite a bit. Shows the need for some pace and spread.

Also came down to our wingers and backs who were all extremely experienced and had some of the best intercept players in the comp

We knew that we weren’t winning the clearance for the most part so our wingers dropped back to defend so Vlastuin and Rance could intercept

Our mids would do everything to make that clearance kick under pressure to futher increase the advantage to our defenders and we had the likes oh Houli ready to counter punch once we won the ball

666 made it harder to run that kind of plan with the wingers being forced to start futher up the ground but still not impossible

It will be interesting what kind of setup we evolve into using as our next crop matures and gains experience

 

[baazzaa]

hich asks the question, are pure inside mids all that important.

One day someone's going to moneyball this and find out inside mids are terrible. i remember telling a friend during the offseason we picked up Hopper and TT that i expected them to directly make our midfield go backwards, and their loss would improve GWS's, not because of them specifically but just because inside mids suck in general.

IMO one reason teams get stuck at the bottom is because they feel compelled to take 'best available', which is always an inside mid, which in turn keeps them at the bottom as they become inside-mid heavy.

 

[tiger_tough]

So we require one of the oldest, shittest midfields

Nank, Taranto, Hopper, Prestia, Dow, Ross

To read the oppo rucks hit outs to win some centre clearances?

Sounds like weve already started down 2 goals before the ball is bounced (thrown up lol)

Nank, Taranto, Hopper, Hotton, Lalor, McAuliffe is much more appealing....

 

[Grrr]

One day someone's going to moneyball this and find out inside mids are terrible. i remember telling a friend during the offseason we picked up Hopper and TT that i expected them to directly make our midfield go backwards, and their loss would improve GWS's, not because of them specifically but just because inside mids suck in general.

IMO one reason teams get stuck at the bottom is because they feel compelled to take 'best available', which is always an inside mid, which in turn keeps them at the bottom as they become inside-mid heavy.

Pure inside mids like Libba I'd take, not so many more off the top of my head.

 

[LTT]

Nank, Taranto, Hopper, Hotton, Lalor, McAuliffe is much more appealing....

Taranto starting at half forward is even more appealing

 

[tiger_tough]

Taranto starting at half forward is even more appealing

I agree

 

[LTT]

Nank was a big part of that because the pressure he put on at ground level in close negated the need for a pure inside mid somewhat. All our mids in our good years were more outside than in, bar maybe Prestia who was both, which asks the question, are pure inside mids all that important.

Our senior mids now are inside mids, Hopper/Taranto and Prestia since he has slowed down quite a bit. Shows the need for some pace and spread.

The new centre toss up rules would seem to mean that Nank’s time is up. His is too short for the new rules and he can barely jump anymore. I think we will have to use Ryan or OHB. I don’t know how Nank gets used.

 

[Muddiemoose]

One day someone's going to moneyball this and find out inside mids are terrible. i remember telling a friend during the offseason we picked up Hopper and TT that i expected them to directly make our midfield go backwards, and their loss would improve GWS's, not because of them specifically but just because inside mids suck in general.

IMO one reason teams get stuck at the bottom is because they feel compelled to take 'best available', which is always an inside mid, which in turn keeps them at the bottom as they become inside-mid heavy.

Agree to a point but those tip top draft selections are generally those hybrid types who excel both and inside it’s those mids that fall in that picks 7 - 20 range where those inside or bust types like to lurk eg Stocker, RCD, Hobbs ect

Of course every draft is different but yeah taking the best “inside” mid from the draft is fools gold imo
They are generally man child types who dominate against the smaller bodies of thier peers but can’t go with adults who can easily match them for size but lack the skill, footy iq or speed to give them the ability to play different roles that’s needed at AFL level

 

[Michaels]

Think you might be onto something

He’s one of those guys who needs to be the number 1 ruck otherwise he doesn’t bring much to the table

He will be an AFL ruck at some point imo but it will just depend on timing with Nank as to if it’s with us or with someone else

Maybe my Now hear me out video was a year too early.

I'm still very bullish on him as well. Time is still his best friend BUT we would need to see some good progress this year.

this rule change could be the making of him.

 

[Dr Tigris]

The new rules will suit Sampson more than Nank. But he better get stronger and put his good stuff together now. really strange one, he can mark, tap, intercept, good below his knees - but not all in the same game. I watch him and go - marking target. Then he starts marking with boxing gloves on


And inside mids are very important - 1) to stop the other team dominating ball movement from contests, and 2) control ball movement from contests if they are really good (Cotchin good). So to me you have to have the defensive mids and the physical ability to contest - which we have (i.e. we match inside contests). But the ability to control ball from contest is where the gold is, and we don't have that yet. Lalor looks amazing with his handball, and Hotton with is taps etc, so maybe it's coming.

 

[Timothy Luncheon]

Also need the midfielders who can capitalise on that kind of tap

We don’t really have them right now either

Our gameplan in 2017 in the middle was built around not winning the tap or getting first possession

If we can essentially bank on not winning it you just plan that way and structure accordingly

Still a bit baffling how we've been so terrible in the midfield for so long now though. You'd think we'd coach how to get a clearance when not winning the tap or something

 

[The Vaucluse]

Maybe my Now hear me out video was a year too early.

I'm still very bullish on him as well. Time is still his best friend BUT we would need to see some good progress this year.

this rule change could be the making of him.

Sadly, unable to carry his VFL form across to the AFL. I’m certain the club has an understanding of why this is the case.

I put a line through his name when he got towelled up by Todd Goldstein in the DreamTime Game early this year. I’m desperate for any Tiger player to succeed, but maybe he’s not mentally strong enough and his inability to consistently take a contested mark, makes the problem deeper.

On a somewhat related note, I was chatting to Jack Ross’s Aunt, and she made the comment that Jack was aware that his form line is a little up and down, and they attribute it to him over thinking the game and getting anxious. She also said that he was stoked that he finished 8th in the best and fairest.

 

[Yze does it]

The new centre toss up rules would seem to mean that Nank’s time is up. His is too short for the new rules and he can barely jump anymore. I think we will have to use Ryan or OHB. I don’t know how Nank gets used.

huge call before one single game.
its AFLW rules basically where clubs still use 2 rucks No.1 ruck and back up ruck.

ball getting thrown up makes zero difference to Nank

No boundary throw ins just means oppo kick into their fwd line. .

its slow and Nank/any ruck just sets up in D50. intercept marking Nank's forte. '

if anything slow giraffes get found out. ,. Balta is way quicker, might return to back up rucking

 

[Yze does it]

huge call before one single game.
its AFLW rules basically where clubs still use 2 rucks No.1 ruck and back up ruck.

ball getting thrown up makes zero difference to Nank

No boundary throw ins just means oppo kick into their fwd line. .

its slow and Nank/any ruck just sets up in D50. intercept marking Nank's forte. '

if anything slow giraffes get found out. ,. Balta is way quicker, might return to back up rucking

no ruck nominating will mean the nearest tallest player rucks.
more KPPs rucking.

Nank was/is a clearance machine ~ I reckon he/we benefit.

 

[LTT]

huge call before one single game.
its AFLW rules basically where clubs still use 2 rucks No.1 ruck and back up ruck.

ball getting thrown up makes zero difference to Nank

No boundary throw ins just means oppo kick into their fwd line. .

its slow and Nank/any ruck just sets up in D50. intercept marking Nank's forte. '

if anything slow giraffes get found out. ,. Balta is way quicker, might return to back up rucking

This is the rule change that won't suit Nank
Centre ball-up contests
Change: At all centre ball-ups, a competing ruck cannot cross the centre circle line and engage with the opposition ruck, prior to contesting the football.

 

[THE THIN MAN]

Sadly, unable to carry his VFL form across to the AFL. I’m certain the club has an understanding of why this is the case.

It might be that VFL is Delilah's level!

 

[fargothegreat]

Think that’s part of the issue
We judge him mostly on his forward craft that isn’t the greatest at AFL level

But his strengths lay in his tap work and ground level work around the ground that we only really get to see small snippets of at AFL level because he’s playing that relief role

Will he ever have the fitness to be a number one ruck though?

 

[Muddiemoose]

Will he ever have the fitness to be a number one ruck though?

Don’t think his fitness is an issue
Seems to play out games well at vfl level

 

[Charlie Pannam]

This is the rule change that won't suit Nank
Centre ball-up contests
Change: At all centre ball-ups, a competing ruck cannot cross the centre circle line and engage with the opposition ruck, prior to contesting the football.

Interesting to see how the new rules, play out in centre bounce clearances. And if it suits our ruckman
think this will suit Sims, who has a big vertical leap.
Ryan is 5cm taller, but no vertical Leap, opposition ruckman will jump straight over him.
And Nank is Nank, he’s never dominated centre bounces.

 

[lizard man]

Needs to work on his high jump technique to take advantage of this new rule

 

[tigerfan1961]

This is the rule change that won't suit Nank
Centre ball-up contests
Change: At all centre ball-ups, a competing ruck cannot cross the centre circle line and engage with the opposition ruck, prior to contesting the football.

Will suit young Sims imo