Certified Legendary Thread 34 Essendon* Players suspended for doping violations - No opposition fans. Check OP for thread rules

If Essendon* gets slapped on the wrist with a wet lettuce leaf, I will .......


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I pity the fools, but don't subscribe to the 'sins of the father' approach. Some of them would certainly be deluded, but the fault for the cheating does not lie with them.
The supporters are not at fault......but I certainly don't feel for them.

Again, did they feel sorry for us when we were down and out? Unlikely. It's a two way street.
 

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The supporters are not at fault......but I certainly don't feel for them.

Again, did they feel sorry for us when we were down and out? Unlikely. It's a two way street.
Doesn't really interest me what 'they' did. Have no doubt a portion of Blues supporters would have done the same to them had roles been reversed back in 2001/2002.

Either way, wouldn't want to be a Dons* supporter now.
 

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Doesn't really interest me what 'they' did. Have no doubt a portion of Blues supporters would have done the same to them had roles been reversed back in 2001/2002.

Either way, wouldn't want to be a Dons* supporter now.

I think I can hear a Grown man crying.

In the room next to me!!!!

Same man whose coffee tasted like Shiet no doubt!!!

No sympathy here.
 

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Doesn't really interest me what 'they' did. Have no doubt a portion of Blues supporters would have done the same to them had roles been reversed back in 2001/2002.

Either way, wouldn't want to be a Dons* supporter now.
Seriously? We're the first club to call for the administrators' heads!
 

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No doubt they're in trouble.

But just, for the life of me, I just cannot see basically a whole team getting wiped out in the AFL. It is bizarre to even think about. They wouldn't be able to field a side, how would the AFL cope with that?

As much as I think they deserve this, I just can't see several players getting banned for an extended period.

Never happened before to an entire team in a major sporting organisation. North Korea womens soccer team doesn't count, nor do cycling teams. Juventus were relegated and fined for their cheating.

Show-case notices will be sent, but I reckon they will get out of infractions.
 

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No doubt they're in trouble.
But just, for the life of me, I just cannot see basically a whole team getting wiped out in the AFL. It is bizarre to even think about. They wouldn't be able to field a side, how would the AFL cope with that?
As much as I think they deserve this, I just can't see several players getting banned for an extended period.
Never happened before to an entire team in a major sporting organisation. North Korea womens soccer team doesn't count, nor do cycling teams. Juventus were relegated and fined for their cheating.
Show-case notices will be sent, but I reckon they will get out of infractions.
Yep and I can see it now, they get wiped out and for our round 23 clash we talk the AFL into still playing the game with just us on the ground and no Essendon players, massive percentage booster. Ball gets tapped down from the ruck and is launched by Murphy into our forward 50. Casboult takes a beautiful uncontested mark and scores a behind!? :eek:
 

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Yep and I can see it now, they get wiped out and for our round 23 clash we talk the AFL into still playing the game with just us on the ground and no Essendon players, massive percentage booster. Ball gets tapped down from the ruck and is launched by Murphy into our forward 50. Casboult takes a beautiful uncontested mark and scores a behind!? :eek:
Where do you envisage this improved set shot kicking coming from?
 

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Yep and I can see it now, they get wiped out and for our round 23 clash we talk the AFL into still playing the game with just us on the ground and no Essendon players, massive percentage booster. Ball gets tapped down from the ruck and is launched by Murphy into our forward 50. Casboult takes a beautiful uncontested mark and scores a behind!? :eek:
Look something like this:

 

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No doubt they're in trouble.

But just, for the life of me, I just cannot see basically a whole team getting wiped out in the AFL. It is bizarre to even think about. They wouldn't be able to field a side, how would the AFL cope with that?

As much as I think they deserve this, I just can't see several players getting banned for an extended period.

Never happened before to an entire team in a major sporting organisation. North Korea womens soccer team doesn't count, nor do cycling teams. Juventus were relegated and fined for their cheating.

Show-case notices will be sent, but I reckon they will get out of infractions.
Can't see them getting out of it. Was made very clear in a recent announcement that the players were every bit responsible for what goes into their bodies. Asada knows that argument is coming and they're making it loud and clear, it's not an excuse.
 
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If it were not for:

- the scheming of Hird;
- the madness of Dank;
- the arrogance of The Weapon;
- the attitude of Little;
- the wilful ignorance of Watson Jnr;
- the chest beating of McVeigh;
- the bias of Lloyd;
- the misleading statements of Watson senior;
- the lies of Thompson;
- the weakness of Reid;
- the henchman Corcoran;
- the dodgy Charters;
- the sleazy tip off by Dimwit; and
- the peroxide proxy (Mrs Hird),

I might actually feel sorry for them.
 

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If it were not for:

- the scheming of Hird;
- the madness of Dank;
- the arrogance of The Weapon;
- the attitude of Little;
- the wilful ignorance of Watson Jnr;
- the chest beating of McVeigh;
- the bias of Lloyd;
- the misleading statements of Watson senior;
- the lies of Thompson;
- the weakness of Reid;
- the henchman Corcoran;
- the dodgy Charters;
- the sleazy tip off by Dimwit; and
- the peroxide proxy (Mrs Hird),

I might actually feel sorry for them.
- the bravery of Reimers
 
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Team penalties are solely at the AFL's discretion so I would very much doubt they will be applied..
Pretty sure this is not true.

"Sports must undertake three steps in order to be fully compliant with the Code: acceptance, implementation, and enforcement."

Any team where more than TWO MEMBERS have been found guilty then the ENTIRE TEAM IS SANCTIONED.

So if they are not sanctioned AS A TEAM for any subsequent violations - then the AFL will be in breach of WADA code and no longer compliant.

Basically - either they punish the bombers, or they are kicked out of the code - and become the laughing stock of world sport.


You tell me what they are going to do ?

WADA will hand down their penalties if AFL does not, if they are not applied, AFL is kicked out and Australia as a nation becomes known as a drug cheating nation - however, since our NATION is a signatory - we can not send athletes to other sporting events like the WORLD CUP, OLYMPICS etc.

So in effect what you are saying is that for AFL to protect Essendon and the AFL pretty much every single sporting team and athlete in the country will be thrown under the bus ??


http://www.wada-ama.org/en/World-An...izations/The-Code/Code-Compliance--Reporting/


http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...DP-The-Code/WADA_Anti-Doping_CODE_2009_EN.pdf


Wow - that's some pretty serious sacrifice.

Here's my take on it. The rules are incredibly clear on team doping. Essendon has CLEARLY breached those rules. For them NOT TO BE PUNISHED the AFL and Australia will lose all credibility. Not going to happen.
 

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Pretty sure this is not true.

"Sports must undertake three steps in order to be fully compliant with the Code: acceptance, implementation, and enforcement."

Any team where more than TWO MEMBERS have been found guilty then the ENTIRE TEAM IS SANCTIONED.

So if they are not sanctioned AS A TEAM for any subsequent violations - then the AFL will be in breach of WADA code and no longer compliant.

Basically - either they punish the bombers, or they are kicked out of the code - and become the laughing stock of world sport.


You tell me what they are going to do ?

WADA will hand down their penalties if AFL does not, if they are not applied, AFL is kicked out and Australia as a nation becomes known as a drug cheating nation - however, since our NATION is a signatory - we can not send athletes to other sporting events like the WORLD CUP, OLYMPICS etc.

So in effect what you are saying is that for AFL to protect Essendon and the AFL pretty much every single sporting team and athlete in the country will be thrown under the bus ??


http://www.wada-ama.org/en/World-An...izations/The-Code/Code-Compliance--Reporting/


http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/W...DP-The-Code/WADA_Anti-Doping_CODE_2009_EN.pdf


Wow - that's some pretty serious sacrifice.

Here's my take on it. The rules are incredibly clear on team doping. Essendon has CLEARLY breached those rules. For them NOT TO BE PUNISHED the AFL and Australia will lose all credibility. Not going to happen.
Lance Uppercut (while a denialist is generally a sensible poster) on the HTB has been all over this point (about 20 times) that you have to reference the AFL rules rather than the WADA rules.
 
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Lance Uppercut (while a denialist is generally a sensible poster) on the HTB has been all over this point (about 20 times) that you have to reference the AFL rules rather than the WADA rules.

Lance Upper Cut ? The most rabid Essendon* denialist, certified Egyptian fish, who has provided more red Herrings than 10 little black boys ?

Right. That's like deferring to Lord Mongkton as a global warming specialist.

Pretty damned sure I JUST POSTED the links to the EXACT rules you need to read - and no more.

This is what Australia and the AFL have signed up to.

AFL handed out some of the severest penalties ever handed out (ex-Carlton) for poor record keeping - and you are saying they wont sanction them for club wide institutionalised doping policy which ASADA and WADA both RULE (not simply recommend - but RULE) must require CLUB WIDE penalties because Lance Upper Cut says otherwise ? Even though if that were the response Australia as a sporting nation could be jeopordised ?

No, seriously - take a moment to consider your response - because so far its ludicrous.

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By the way the ruling body in Australia on doping is ASADA - not AFL. Period.

AFL has signed up to ASADA.

Read the WADA rules I linked to. Defers to the ruling body for that sport. The AFL are the governing body for AFL as a sport - but not for DOPING ENFORCEMENT - that is ASADA.
 

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Lance Uppercut (while a denialist is generally a sensible poster) on the HTB has been all over this point (about 20 times) that you have to reference the AFL rules rather than the WADA rules.
As the AFL has signed up to the WADA rules, then wouldn't it be the AFL that follows WADA and not the other way around.
 

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Lance Upper Cut ? The most rabid Essendon* denialist, certified Egyptian fish, who has provided more red Herrings than 10 little black boys ?

Right. That's like deferring to Lord Mongkton as a global warming specialist.

Pretty damned sure I JUST POSTED the links to the EXACT rules you need to read - and no more.

This is what Australia and the AFL have signed up to.

AFL handed out some of the severest penalties ever handed out (ex-Carlton) for poor record keeping - and you are saying they wont sanction them for club wide institutionalised doping policy which ASADA and WADA both RULE (not simply recommend - but RULE) must require CLUB WIDE penalties because Lance Upper Cut says otherwise ? Even though if that were the response Australia as a sporting nation could be jeopordised ?

No, seriously - take a moment to consider your response - because so far its ludicrous.

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By the way the ruling body in Australia on doping is ASADA - not AFL. Period.

AFL has signed up to ASADA.

Read the WADA rules I linked to. Defers to the ruling body for that sport. The AFL are the governing body for AFL as a sport - but not for DOPING ENFORCEMENT - that is ASADA.
The one and the same. While Lance is a denialist, he picks his battles and doesn't try to defend the indefensible and have a certain degree of logic to them. He has made the argument numerous times (with links to the AFL code) that under the AFL code the AFL are have sole discretion over team based penalties. Over that last 12 months I haven't seen anyone post anything concrete to show this premise is incorrect.

Hey if you go over the the HTB and post something about team penalties for EFC he is sure to respond.
 

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The one and the same. While Lance is a denialist, he picks his battles and doesn't try to defend the indefensible and have a certain degree of logic to them. He has made the argument numerous times (with links to the AFL code) that under the AFL code the AFL are have sole discretion over team based penalties. Over that last 12 months I haven't seen anyone post anything concrete to show this premise is incorrect.

Hey if you go over the the HTB and post something about team penalties for EFC he is sure to respond.
On this, Lance and I have disagreed on this in the past. The doping code does specifically allow for the application of team penalties in line with the WADA code - a fact which even lance agrees with. its how or if they can be applied is where we have disagreed.
 
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