Certified Legendary Thread 34 Essendon* Players suspended for doping violations - No opposition fans. Check OP for thread rules

If Essendon* gets slapped on the wrist with a wet lettuce leaf, I will .......


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In the End, we will remember not the words of our enemies, but the silence of our friends.....#weak
We will fight them in the courts, on the streets of Toorak...we will never surrender!!

We may have lost the battle, but we will win the war!!........err Sash, that was the war.

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They can't backdate them, because it's not like Cronulla where the lengthy delay was not attributed to the club. Essendon are the cause for their delays. And a few players had the green light to play in local leagues/IR series. So if there's any backdating, it will be either from the last time they played a game of anything or from when the infractions were handed out.
Besides, surely backdating any bans would be fraudulent since there has been no interruption whatsoever to the Bombers'* playing and training schedule at any stage of these proceedings. Not since they were barred from the 2013 finals anyway. Even since Infractions were issued, the players concerned have still been training full bore in preparation for a season they may or may not be participating in.
In short, they've continued to be fully involved in their sport, so how could it possibly be argued that part of their ban has already been served?
 

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Besides, surely backdating any bans would be fraudulent since there has been no interruption whatsoever to the Bombers'* playing and training schedule at any stage of these proceedings. Not since they were barred from the 2013 finals anyway. Even since Infractions were issued, the players concerned have still been training full bore in preparation for a season they may or may not be participating in.
In short, they've continued to be fully involved in their sport, so how could it possibly be argued that part of their ban has already been served?
Total agreement Biggus, however I feel common sense and logic were removed from this battle a long time ago
 

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Total agreement Biggus, however I feel common sense and logic were removed from this battle a long time ago
I spent some time trawling through the ASADA thread over on the Essendon* board last night, following their posts from the past few days. What a dark and dismal place it is where this "common sense and logic" of which you speak are very hard to come by.
When I came back onto the Carlton board it was like emerging from a cold, dark, slimy, grimy cellar into bright sunlight. I felt a need to take a shower to wash the scum from my body.
 

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I spent some time trawling through the ASADA thread over on the Essendon* board last night, following their posts from the past few days. What a dark and dismal place it is where this "common sense and logic" of which you speak are very hard to come by.
When I came back onto the Carlton board it was like emerging from a cold, dark, slimy, grimy cellar into bright sunlight. I felt a need to take a shower to wash the scum from my body.
The HTB is bad enough with the Hirdites defending him and the club like the sheep that they are, but going over to the Essendon* board would be a whole different kettle of fish.

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I spent some time trawling through the ASADA thread over on the Essendon* board last night, following their posts from the past few days. What a dark and dismal place it is where this "common sense and logic" of which you speak are very hard to come by.
When I came back onto the Carlton board it was like emerging from a cold, dark, slimy, grimy cellar into bright sunlight. I felt a need to take a shower to wash the scum from my body.
I've read that from a few posters on various sites and how they are saying our thread is pretty tame compared to the rest which are just like lynching mobs. I guess you will have to take a few showers to wash all the scum off.

A wiser man than me said, he didn't know why it is still called "common sense" as it just isn't that common anymore:)
 

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Besides, surely backdating any bans would be fraudulent since there has been no interruption whatsoever to the Bombers'* playing and training schedule at any stage of these proceedings. Not since they were barred from the 2013 finals anyway. Even since Infractions were issued, the players concerned have still been training full bore in preparation for a season they may or may not be participating in.
In short, they've continued to be fully involved in their sport, so how could it possibly be argued that part of their ban has already been served?
BIGGUS 64 I believe that if they took voluntry suspensions then they can continue to train. (Happy to be corrected on that)
So it is ripe for them to come out later and say that that is what they did and they have served their suspensions. By doing so they also get to remain anonymous
 

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Yeah not quite correct but...

First reported in The Age on June 13, the voluntary suspensions option comes under the AFL competition anti-doping code which states that if a player voluntarily accepts a provisional suspension in writing from the AFL and thereafter refrains from competing, the player shall receive a credit against any period of ineligibility which may ultimately be imposed.

An anti-doping officer working in the area of Olympic sport told The Age in June that he would be "surprised" if AFL footballers had not taken the option confidentially or at least considered the strategy.
 

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I'm with zee on this one. The 34 players can't just come out and say "you cant ban us because we took the voluntary suspensions option as per the AFL anti-doping code".

If they did... ASADA would have had to have been notified that they were taking voluntary suspensions in which case, ASADA would have had no grounds to continue pursuing the players under the WADA anti-doping code. This would more or less, once again, make a mockery of the anti-doping commissions world wide.

And it would severely embarrass Australian sports.
 

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I was commenting on Biggus's thought about how the players could have bans backdated if they were still training.
I thought that the use of "voluntary suspensions" would be one way for them to weasel out of that situation, allowing players to return to competition earlier.
You know ,the AFL coming out saying that the players have been on voluntary suspenisons since the end of last season.

I think Zee is saying that he thinks that my assumption the players can still train is wrong.

If that scenario you mentioned occurred Dram then yeah you are right, severe embarrassment for Australian sport.
However if they did take the VS option then ASADA would still pursue the case, as it is a provisional suspension that accrues a credit against any possible ban. It is not seen as an admission of guilt.
 

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Nope... nothing has been confirmed as yet... Maybe zee can link in any twitter comments because I dont check twitter enough to catch them!
Sam Maclure of 3AW only mentioned two former essendon players. I assumed Crameri and Prismall as IIRC they have the seperate legal representation. Prismall still plays VFL.
 

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Nope... nothing has been confirmed as yet... Maybe zee can link in any twitter comments because I dont check twitter enough to catch them!
I would assume the fact there is 2 players, it seems quite obvious its the 2 Port players, and makes sense with PA on the verge of having a crack at a flag that they would want to get rid of any distractions, reckon Crameri might join in aswell.
 

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I would assume the fact there is 2 players, it seems quite obvious its the 2 Port players, and makes sense with PA on the verge of having a crack at a flag that they would want to get rid of any distractions, reckon Crameri might join in aswell.
Ryder was flithy with Essendon, so it would make sense he could very well be one of them.
Talk about the potential of him dishing the dirt on his previous club.
 

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Ryder was flithy with Essendon, so it would make sense he could very well be one of them.
Talk about the potential of him dishing the dirt on his previous club.
I would say its less about Ryder having grievances with Essendon and more Ken Hinkley saying enough is enough get it done so we canmove on and nog have it hanging over our heads for the whole of 2015.
 

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I would say its less about Ryder having grievances with Essendon and more Ken Hinkley saying enough is enough get it done so we canmove on and nog have it hanging over our heads for the whole of 2015.
Fits in with his no BS approach.
 

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I would say its less about Ryder having grievances with Essendon and more Ken Hinkley saying enough is enough get it done so we canmove on and nog have it hanging over our heads for the whole of 2015.
Can certainly see Ken Hinkley doing such a thing, and with now two ex-Bombers on his list, he'd want this wrapped up sooner rather than later.
 
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