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Robbo is arguing that Jobe should keep his brownlow. In the parlance of our time FFS Robbo, GAGF.

Good counter argument here

SEN Breakfast host Francis Leach believes there's still a mentality within the AFL community that believes it shouldn't have to abide by the WADA code and the penalty handed down to the 34 past and present Essendon players.

It follows a column by Herald Sun Chief football wWriter Mark Robinson in which he argues the AFL commission should ignore the CAS finding and allow Jobe Watson to keep the Brownlow Medal he won in 2012.

http://www.sen.com.au/news/afl/02-16/robbo-wrong-on-jobes-brownlow-francis-leach#jmLYmtJ1sS0GCqzE.99
 
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Yep definitely need some of the legal eagles in here to explain this.
CAS is an arbitration body created under Swiss law. it's decisions can be appealed to the Swiss federal court (think of fair work commission decisions being appealed to the Australian federal court). The grounds for appeal are limited to procedural matters only, not the merits of the case, i.e. the grounds of appeal won't be whether or not the players took banned substances, but whether procedural steps were followed correctly.

this will be costly, and for what it's worth the players won't get up.
 

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CAS is an arbitration body created under Swiss law. it's decisions can be appealed to the Swiss federal court (think of fair work commission decisions being appealed to the Australian federal court). The grounds for appeal are limited to procedural matters only, not the merits of the case, i.e. the grounds of appeal won't be whether or not the players took banned substances, but whether procedural steps were followed correctly.

this will be costly, and for what it's worth the players won't get up.
Players are getting some Horrific advice to proceed with this. Vaguely remember this was the only way they could open themselves to 4 year bans.
 

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CAS is an arbitration body created under Swiss law. it's decisions can be appealed to the Swiss federal court (think of fair work commission decisions being appealed to the Australian federal court). The grounds for appeal are limited to procedural matters only, not the merits of the case, i.e. the grounds of appeal won't be whether or not the players took banned substances, but whether procedural steps were followed correctly.

this will be costly, and for what it's worth the players won't get up.
Would this mean yhe suspensions handed down by CAS are set aside while the appeal is being heard ?
 

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I'm glad Leach is back on SEN. Really good to listen to and actually has a brain and thought process.
100% with you on this Thrawny.

I used to refer to Maher and Gaze as "Dumb and Dumber" and their continual reverence of Tim Watson and all he said made me want throw up!!!!!!

I actually stopped listening to SEN in the mornings it was so bad.

The lineup at SEN is now far improved - and I am very surprised Gaze lasted as long as he did.

I always thought they should have got Sam Pang instead of Gaze.

Intelligent and very funny man with an excellent choice of football clubs to support!!
 

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Really enjoying the fact that Essendon and their cronies are still looking to the past. Maybe an appeal, topping up with past players rather than elevating rookies. This denial of fact is leading them to the misguided belief that they are going to hold onto their suspended players. It completely dismisses the fact of disgruntled players due to mismanagement and a lack of duty of care. If the Dons continue in this manner they are going to be fecked for many years to come.
 

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Would this mean yhe suspensions handed down by CAS are set aside while the appeal is being heard ?
when lodging the appeal, players can do a separate application to stay the effect of the CAS decision until the appeal is heard & decided, which means, if they're successful, the earlier AFL Tribunal decision will operate.

remember it's an application, & the court has to decide whether to grant the stay. I'm not that familiar with the Swiss judicial system when it comes to stay applications.

looks like in the appeal the players will question why CAS did a "one size fits all" penalty rather than each individual separately. the judgment could've threshed this out a little more, but it did address this nonetheless - big thing on appeals is whether the procedural errors were so big that another outcome would've happened. otherwise, you've got more chance landing a 1984 Kim Bassinger.

doesn't matter that much - we've got Cripps to 2019
 

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Players are getting some Horrific advice to proceed with this. Vaguely remember this was the only way they could open themselves to 4 year bans.
If the players appeal and it is unsuccessful, the back dating is voided. Players would miss 2 years from the point of the appeal being dismissed. Speaking to a lawyer today involved at an AFL club, he believes CAS may possibly revisit the team van if appeals are lodged and unsuccessful.
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