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Player Watch #34: Liam McBean

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Will McBean be an AFL standard forward for Richmond ( 150 + games)

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Port to pick him up and we end up with another Shultz situation. Funny how we seem to persist with genuine duds but players who show promise we end up letting go just as they seem to turn the corner. Then they hit their straps for their newly adopted team and we live to regret it.
 

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Really disappointed McBean wasn't name for this weekend. Was hoping the RFC brains trust actually realised our Fwd setup isn't working and it was time to try something new. Same with Elton down back, those 2 guys need some senior time how the hell are we supposed to improve our depth if we aren't giving these guys enough AFL speed game time.
 
Hardwick ruined Jack. Ruined Griff. Can't develop Elton and he's just stifled the Bean.

He's not a great developer of talent. Our spine is a weakness and he's done nothing to rectify it. What would we be without Rance?

How can you ignore the performances of Liam for so long? It's a disgrace. We as supporters are getting the rough deal here not seeing a special talent being developed correctly and not seeing him work in the big league.

The longer he is here the worse it's gonna get.
 
Coach_Required said:
Really disappointed McBean wasn't name for this weekend. Was hoping the RFC brains trust actually realised our Fwd setup isn't working and it was time to try something new. Same with Elton down back, those 2 guys need some senior time how the hell are we supposed to improve our depth if we aren't giving these guys enough AFL speed game time.
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Bringing in both Elton and McBean together is risky, especially given we can't afford to lose this week. NAB cup was the time to look at them and how they both fit in the seniors, more important than seeing Chol (though that was great), or trying Chaplin as a KPF.
 
juss said:
From everything I heard about the Bean over preseason, the club rate his talent, but not his work ethic or attitude. Unless/until he improves those, he won't get a game regardless of how many goals he kicks. He may well have improved it and be ready, but only the coaching staff know that. His form is good enough to warrant selection, it just depends if his attitude is.
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Whatever his attitude is, it's good enough to kick bags in the VFL!

I'm sure Steve Morris has a great attitude, maybe McBean should play more like him.
 
Dr Awkward said:
Whatever his attitude is, it's good enough to kick bags in the VFL!

I'm sure Steve Morris has a great attitude, maybe McBean should play more like him.
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And attitude is a funny thing...teachers know sometimes you give the naughty kid a bit of responsibility and they blossom. McBean might be misbehaving a bit in the ressies environment but might get serious once he gets a fair taste of the 'G and the Tiger army?
 
Our forward line right now is not the key issue. Our #1 problem by a country mile is our run out of defense AND our turnover of the ball as we try to run it out. Let McBean continue to develop in the forward line. It's either McBean or Vickery...but not both. And Vickery is not a first ruck. Gawn would slaughter him if he played that role.
 
Goals aren't the only measureable statistic that should determine whether a player should be elevated from VFL to AFL.

I also don't want to enter into the Vickery v McBean argument.

But it was widely spelt out that the biggest areas of weakness for McBean are his pressure acts (same with Lennon and Lloyd and why they have been dropped over the course of their three years at the club) and his ability to make and then impact critical contests.

He failed in VFL round 1, and passed VFL round 2. One good game does not maketh the man as far as Im concerned, so I think it's the right call to ask him to back it up this wekeend (and maybe even next weekend) before elevating him to the Seniors.

Also, McBean knows where he is at. Im not going to say he won't walk at years end, but from what I understand he understands and agrees with the expectations of the club on him should he wish to be promoted.
 
RockJobster0312 said:
Goals aren't the only measureable statistic that should determine whether a player should be elevated from VFL to AFL.

I also don't want to enter into the Vickery v McBean argument.

But it was widely spelt out that the biggest areas of weakness for McBean are his pressure acts (same with Lennon and Lloyd and why they have been dropped over the course of their three years at the club) and his ability to make and then impact critical contests.

He failed in VFL round 1, and passed VFL round 2. One good game does not maketh the man as far as Im concerned, so I think it's the right call to ask him to back it up this wekeend (and maybe even next weekend) before elevating him to the Seniors.

Also, McBean knows where he is at. Im not going to say he won't walk at years end, but from what I understand he understands and agrees with the expectations of the club on him should he wish to be promoted.
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I suppose the problem for most supporters is that from the outside we have a situation whereby it appears McBean is simply being snubbed in favour of other players with seemingly similar or worse issues.

If we are to believe he has been made aware of his shortfalls and knows what he has to do to play AFL and is in agreement then that's a positive thing. Having said this it does pose the question as to why it's taking so long for him to address these issues given professional footballers do this 24/7 for a living.

If an employee in the general population is asked to correct something they are doing wrong within their job role and they didn't address it quickly then no doubt they would be shown the door quick smart. What the hell takes so long to learn?
 
silence ofthe Robert said:
Last 8 games

5 goals
4 goals
5 goals
0 goals
5 goals
2 goals
2 goals
5 goals

5 goal haul every second game. Needs to back it up apparently.

He kicked 4 and 2 in the previous two so its 34 goals in his last 10 games and six hauls of 4 or more in his last ten games.
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That's all dandy, but what were are his attitudeometer readings?
 

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RockJobster0312 said:
He failed in VFL round 1, and passed VFL round 2. One good game does not maketh the man as far as Im concerned, so I think it's the right call to ask him to back it up this wekeend (and maybe even next weekend) before elevating him to the Seniors.

Also, McBean knows where he is at. Im not going to say he won't walk at years end, but from what I understand he understands and agrees with the expectations of the club on him should he wish to be promoted.
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I agree, but questions have to be asked when he isn't getting games ahead of some other "questionable" selections
 
RockJobster0312 said:
Goals aren't the only measureable statistic that should determine whether a player should be elevated from VFL to AFL.

I also don't want to enter into the Vickery v McBean argument.

But it was widely spelt out that the biggest areas of weakness for McBean are his pressure acts (same with Lennon and Lloyd and why they have been dropped over the course of their three years at the club) and his ability to make and then impact critical contests.

He failed in VFL round 1, and passed VFL round 2. One good game does not maketh the man as far as Im concerned, so I think it's the right call to ask him to back it up this wekeend (and maybe even next weekend) before elevating him to the Seniors.

Also, McBean knows where he is at. Im not going to say he won't walk at years end, but from what I understand he understands and agrees with the expectations of the club on him should he wish to be promoted.
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His body of work over three years as one of the VFL's top goal scorers is more than enough for him to get a decent block of games. Griff got 50 and has blown his chance, Chaplain same, time to rewards performance.
 
Tony Stark said:
Port to pick him up and we end up with another Shultz situation. Funny how we seem to persist with genuine duds but players who show promise we end up letting go just as they seem to turn the corner. Then they hit their straps for their newly adopted team and we live to regret it.
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Like who?

Schulz and Rodan are the only two I can think of.
 
Tony Stark said:
If we are to believe he has been made aware of his shortfalls and knows what he has to do to play AFL and is in agreement then that's a positive thing. Having said this it does pose the question as to why it's taking so long for him to address these issues given professional footballers do this 24/7 for a living.
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I obviously cannot answer that question. But what I was told is that McBean grew 30cm when he was 17/18. So he went from being an on baller to a key position player. Then when he was drafted, he went from a backman to a forward. Now he's 'pinch-hitting' in the ruck. And as they say, talls take longer to develop.

NZ_Tiger said:
His body of work over three years as one of the VFL's top goal scorers is more than enough for him to get a decent block of games. Griff got 50 and has blown his chance, Chaplain same, time to rewards performance.
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I don't agree. Again largely in part because I don't think goal kicking is the only stat which should predicate selection. Sam Grimley won the Frosty Miller medal two years in a row and was delisted and only picked up the Dons as a top up player. Galea and Sautner won the medal many times over, yet never got a chance at AFL level. 'Performance' in modern day football cannot be put down to one single statistic, whether that be tackling, kicks or goals.

Komrade_Tiger said:
I agree, but questions have to be asked when he isn't getting games ahead of some other "questionable" selections
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Well with Griff I would argue he got a game because he was a pretty handy second ruckman. His game versus Carlton I thought was solid. Vickery as a forward (I think) works quite well with Jack. A few years ago they were the higheat goal kick duo in the AFL, beating out Franklin and Roughead. By no stretch am I suggesting that we should rest on old laurels or not try to improve, but we so easily forget that McBean has played at AFL level before, and so there is a relative comparison of performance.

Besides, I don't want to get into a McBean v Vickery/ Griffiths/ Chaplain arguement.
 
NZ_Tiger said:
At the start of our rebuild Galea would of offered us something we needed at the time. Podsiadly a good case in point, while not a world beater the Cats didn't waste a pile of top picks for them to sit at VFL level.
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But Galea didn't get picked up. And we weren't the only team going through a rebuild at the time.

I also don't think the J-Pod comparison is really apt because of the various factors of why they selected him, being their VFL captain and fitness coach the year prior. Whilst he kicked the most goals it wasn't the ONLY reason the Cats picked him up.
 

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NZ_Tiger said:
Interesting theories some have. How does Chaplain being selected as a forward fit into your plans? I guess he earnt his spot as well?
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Well he didn't get selected as a forward. His first game against Adelaide was after Grimes went down.

Played forward at times (when game was shot v Adelaide and when injuries occurred versus Eagles) but certainly wasn't selected forward.
 
RockJobster0312 said:
Well he didn't get selected as a forward. His first game against Adelaide was after Grimes went down.

Played forward at times (when game was shot v Adelaide and when injuries occurred versus Eagles) but certainly wasn't selected forward.
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Yes he was, where did he line up at the first bounce on the weekend? Where did he play in the NAB cup?
 
NZ_Tiger said:
Yes he was, where did he line up at the first bounce on the weekend? Where did he play in the NAB cup?
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As I said, I don't want to get into a McBean vs every other CHF arguement. I think it's superfluous to the conversation.

Look, I get your point and your frustration. But I don't agree that a player who kicks a bag once every few games and is renowned for being below par on certain non-negotiables warrants selection on one game and one game alone. I know the counter argument is then why Griff or why Chaplin, but you know that those guys are going to influence those same non-negotiables which are keeping McBean out of the side.

If he has a pearler of game in the next one or two matches and doesn't get selected, then sure I'll stand right by you in frustration and confusion. But with young players (I say this from having a background in coaching semi-professional sports) you have to ensure standards are held consistently. The club believe to date, McBean hasn't provided that.
 
RockJobster0312 said:
As I said, I don't want to get into a McBean vs every other CHF arguement. I think it's superfluous to the conversation.

Look, I get your point and your frustration. But I don't agree that a player who kicks a bag once every few games and is renowned for being below par on certain non-negotiables warrants selection on one game and one game alone. I know the counter argument is then why Griff or why Chaplin, but you know that those guys are going to influence those same non-negotiables which are keeping McBean out of the side.

If he has a pearler of game in the next one or two matches and doesn't get selected, then sure I'll stand right by you in frustration and confusion. But with young players (I say this from having a background in coaching semi-professional sports) you have to ensure standards are held consistently. The club believe to date, McBean hasn't provided that.
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Chaplin and griff are friggin rubbish mate , so is Morris.
 

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