Past #36: Shannon Watt - drafted at #14 in '97 ND - 155 games - 0 Brownlow votes - original whipping boy

Do you agree with the 'Watt' decision?

  • Yes

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  • No

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Roos4eva

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He is a ____ing hack.

He is a useless Footy player. And Should be dropped.

How he continues to get a game is beyond me.

Was killed all night. There is no mach up in the AFL that he would win.

He deserves a spot in the 2's next week.
It's always either black or white with you, isn't it?

As has been said a few times, you have a way with words.
 

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He made some errors, 4, gee shoot him, Hamish made 5 is BOG, Pratt and McMahon made some as well.

Watt was 80% effective, better than the team 75%.
I'm ok with errors he makes when running the footy. He is quick when he gets up and going and he often looks to be creative with the footy. We need more of it, so I'm not going to bag a bloke who tries it.

But he lets himself down too often in contests for a bloke who has been in the AFL system for a decade. Defensively, he is still too close to average and a few times every game, downright bad.
 

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What game were you watching?
He had 5 kicked on him in the first half, allowed his direct opponent goal side on far too many occasions, and missed a target from 25m by foot with no pressure on by 5 metres, turned the ball over and Footscray goaled.

His second half was an improvement, but he is, and always has been way under the mark.
He played virtually the entire match on Welsh, so how you can say he had 5 kicked on him in the first half is beyond me!! If you're going to bag a guy at least get your facts right first.
 
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The understated strength of Watt is his willingness to run and support teammates, and when a defender does this as often as Watt, and he does it all game btw then its hard to drop him, he makes errors, all players do, but his support for his teammates makes him vital in defence at North.
Very rarely needs to come off for a spell either, I think a couple of years ago he played every minute of every game, he's a machine.
 

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He played virtually the entire match on Welsh, so how you can say he had 5 kicked on him in the first half is beyond me!! If you're going to bag a guy at least get your facts right first.
Garbage.

Johnson kicked the first goal of the night on him.

His first half was WOEFUL, no other word for it.

His second half was mostly servicable, but isn't that what he is paid to be anyway?

Some of you people judge Watt by a whole different set of criteria than you judge others by, and it puzzles me to the point that I may be unaware of some inherent intellectual or motor skills deficiency that he possesses, but many others seem to know.

He is the worst player on our list, Ed Sansbury included.
 

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He is the worst player on our list, Ed Sansbury included.
I usually stay out of these Watt bashing threads but this is just pure bullshit. Watt trys his heart out and quite often does the job required, to compare him to the bloke who didnt run once in the last quarter against Sydney is an horrendous insult.
Watt has severe limitations but he is quick, gutsy, a decent kick and not afraid to run with the ball.
The day he is over taken by Scotty will be a good one, but the fact is we need to win games and for now Watt is a better option than the inexperienced Scott who while having a big upside has leaked goals.
 

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Another thread attacking a north player, who doesn't pick himself or choose who he is playing on, some of you make me sick. It's un-North like. The way some of you carry on you would think he was playing to make errors.

He made some errors, 4, gee shoot him, Hamish made 5 is BOG, Pratt and McMahon made some as well.

Watt was 80% effective, better than the team 75%.
I think he has been a pretty good negating defender when put on the half-back line and put on a leading forward. But, he is a very one-dimensional player.

That is not having a go at him in general, a lot of players are one-dimensional. Davey is one-dimensional. Some player's one dimension is better than others. Typically defenders don't get the recognition they deserve so he does a lot of good things we just expect him to do as a defender but applaud when a midfielder or forward does their bread and butter stuff.

I still just do not understand how midgets shove him out of one-on-one marking contests, he has no real physical presence for a player of his size. He is a gentle giant, if he was half as angry as Pratt he would do some damage.
 

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I think Watts only problem is he is WAY too soft. He has great athleticism, can use the ball (doesnt always) but so many times he gets pushed of a contest or goes to ground too easily.

Totally agree with the above poster, if he played more aggressively like pratt I dont think any would complain.
 

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Good bloke
runs hard
Fast & fit

But

Makes too many errors & turns the ball over
Has patches where he is not accountable

If he could iron out the few issues then i'd be happy.

Had plenty iof time to do so though
 

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Yeah, nah, that's a pretty crap post, tdf. Pointless drivel capped off by the patently ridiculous claim that "there is no match up in the AFL that he would win". Even Watt's detractors will concede him a few scalps, so you have immediately undermined the validity of your opinion on the bloke.

For mine, Melly017 continues to be the voice of a measured, reasonable assessment of Shannon Watt.

I'm okay with Watty. Always have been, still am. Flawed but serviceable. When something better comes along, I'll get back to y'all on the subject.

Until then, here's my quick, (Lidge-approved), musical tribute to the broad, majestic Shannon.

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I have to agree with you mate. Even tho i would be happy to see him replaced by a capable player, at this point there isn't one. That isn't Shannon's fault thats Deans fault. Until we develop or pick up a player that can take his spot we have to live with him. simple.

BTW, Shannon has beaten players before, but not often enough. All we can do is pray that he will have a good game this week against the lions & we win.:)
 

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It's just... I get so frustrated... for years, he's got a great body (193cms and 95kg+ from memory) and I just thought he might become the KP backmen we need but... *looks for tear smiley, cant find one, resorts to ''frown''*

:( Hasn't happened
 

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I think Watts only problem is he is WAY too soft. He has great athleticism, can use the ball (doesnt always) but so many times he gets pushed of a contest or goes to ground too easily.

Totally agree with the above poster, if he played more aggressively like pratt I dont think any would complain.
Thats all I want out of him. Can live with the errors, but Im just sick of his weak and insipid efforts when it comes to spoiling or body on body.

Ross Lyon said it perfectly, we have some soft players and other clubs know it. Other clubs know Shannon is soft and exploit it to the hilt.
 

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I have to agree with you mate. Even tho i would be happy to see him replaced by a capable player, at this point there isn't one. That isn't Shannon's fault thats Deans fault. Until we develop or pick up a player that can take his spot we have to live with him. simple.

BTW, Shannon has beaten players before, but not often enough. All we can do is pray that he will have a good game this week against the lions & we win.:)
The only way to truly develop these youngsters is to throw them into the fire. Other clubs do it successfully, but we seem to afraid to take some short term pain by giving a youngster enough of a go. One slip up and there gone is Dean's mentality. I just hope he doesn't cut Riggio this week as I think it will be detrimental to his development.
 

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The only way to truly develop these youngsters is to throw them into the fire. Other clubs do it successfully, but we seem to afraid to take some short term pain by giving a youngster enough of a go. One slip up and there gone is Dean's mentality. I just hope he doesn't cut Riggio this week as I think it will be detrimental to his development.
To develop some you need to have them to develop. We at this very moment dont have anyone in our reserves to develop. We need to draft really well or we will be in some trouble in a few years.
 

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Garbage.

Johnson kicked the first goal of the night on him.

His first half was WOEFUL, no other word for it.

His second half was mostly servicable, but isn't that what he is paid to be anyway?

Some of you people judge Watt by a whole different set of criteria than you judge others by, and it puzzles me to the point that I may be unaware of some inherent intellectual or motor skills deficiency that he possesses, but many others seem to know.

He is the worst player on our list, Ed Sansbury included.
bzzzt, wrong!
 

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To develop some you need to have them to develop. We at this very moment dont have anyone in our reserves to develop. We need to draft really well or we will be in some trouble in a few years.
Scott Thompson is a better option going forward than Shannon Watt. Yes he has leaked goals, but so has Watt. I would rather be giving those games to Thompson and taking the short term pain.
 

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Scott Thompson is a better option going forward than Shannon Watt. Yes he has leaked goals, but so has Watt. I would rather be giving those games to Thompson and taking the short term pain.
Agree. But who would be Hunters match up?

Watt will no doubt be the third tall defender behind the shorter Firrito and Gibson AGAIN.

Firrito - Brown
Gibson - Bradshaw

Then what?

We are going to have big problems if Brisbane throw Charman up forward as well.
 

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The understated strength of Watt is his willingness to run and support teammates, and when a defender does this as often as Watt, and he does it all game btw then its hard to drop him, he makes errors, all players do, but his support for his teammates makes him vital in defence at North.
Very rarely needs to come off for a spell either, I think a couple of years ago he played every minute of every game, he's a machine.
Spot on Jozeph :thumbsu:
 

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Very easy to "play" every minute of a game when you are late to every contest, are built like Sampson but crash packs like David Bourke, and generally run around as if to play kiss-chasy.

Did I mention slipping over at crucial times?
 

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To develop some you need to have them to develop. We at this very moment dont have anyone in our reserves to develop. We need to draft really well or we will be in some trouble in a few years.

No - we've got Thompson, and isn't Hansen being developed as a defender? They'll get there. Just not yet.
 

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Agree. But who would be Hunters match up?

Watt will no doubt be the third tall defender behind the shorter Firrito and Gibson AGAIN.

Firrito - Brown
Gibson - Bradshaw

Then what?

We are going to have big problems if Brisbane throw Charman up forward as well.
But do you honsestly think Watt can play on Charman? Surely your having a lend? If Charman goes back then Drew has to take him.

Watt couldn't beat Luke Power for a contested mark. Has Watt ever beaten any player in a one on one contested situation, as posted earlier I've seen him bumped off the ball plenty of times by midgets, but I can't actually recall the last time he actually took a contested mark?
 

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No - we've got Thompson, and isn't Hansen being developed as a defender? They'll get there. Just not yet.
So you would rather stick with the "never was and never will be there" Watt in favour of giving a youngster who will get there game time?

As I said there will be some short term pain, but its better than the long term agony being suffered at present.

Even Watt supporters on this thread have stated his not up to scratch, but we don't have a replacement. Well I say stuff it if we are going to play someone who is going to get beaten, may as well be a kid!
 
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