Past #36: Shannon Watt - drafted at #14 in '97 ND - 155 games - 0 Brownlow votes - original whipping boy

Do you agree with the 'Watt' decision?

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Zondor said:
Devil Fish you are right and you know better then the paid professionals.:cool:
Thanks. Well, I'll be very interested come season's end whether Watt is still in our top 22. I predict he will be dropped by Round 8. Then return for a 2-3 games in the 2nd half of the season & then syonara. But then again, he is a top bloke, so I may be wrong (again)
 

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year of the roo said:
Haha it must cut you up inside that yet again you have been wrong about a player and that Watt is still in the side.

But don't worry, I'm sure HeLmeT and Zondor will tell you that you're right and you know better than the paid professionals.

:D

I dont believe i've ever asked for the departure of Watt you knob.
 

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Yeah, funny how for the last 4-5 years I (& several others) have maintained that Shannon Watt is not a full-back & I/we continued to be shot down in flames. Now, 4-5 years too late IMO, the coaching panel has decided Watt is not a full-back either. And now, a lot of posters all of a sudden are agreeing that Shannon Watt is `NOT' a full back.
This was blatantly obvious 4-5 years ago & why it took the coaching staff so long to comprehend this will haunt me forever.
 

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My concern with Watt, is that he's alright at doing the things he's not really in the team to do, and pretty ordinary at what he's supposed to be doing.

For example, sure he looks good when he gets the ball and goes for a bit of a run (I still think his disposal, especially his decision making traits are questionable)... but my opinion is that we have guys playing in the VFL who would be more damaging at this then Watt is.
Then, when he's doing the defensive, one-on-one, big-guy against big-guy, "spoil the mark type" things, he gets beaten too frequently.
Is he in the team to be a midfielder? or is he in the team to be a negating defender?

I mean if he's in the team to do midfield type things, surely there are better guys in the magoos? He's also not good enough (in my opinion) to be the loose man in defense, he's just not damaging enough.

His form in the 2nd half of last season, was very good... he was doing the defensive stuff well. I hope he can recapture that form this year, but as a midfielder I just reckon we'd be better off going with someone with better disposal & nouse.
 

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True_Roo said:
My concern with Watt, is that he's alright at doing the things he's not really in the team to do, and pretty ordinary at what he's supposed to be doing.

For example, sure he looks good when he gets the ball and goes for a bit of a run (I still think his disposal, especially his decision making traits are questionable)... but my opinion is that we have guys playing in the VFL who would be more damaging at this then Watt is.
Then, when he's doing the defensive, one-on-one, big-guy against big-guy, "spoil the mark type" things, he gets beaten too frequently.
Is he in the team to be a midfielder? or is he in the team to be a negating defender?

I mean if he's in the team to do midfield type things, surely there are better guys in the magoos? He's also not good enough (in my opinion) to be the loose man in defense, he's just not damaging enough.

His form in the 2nd half of last season, was very good... he was doing the defensive stuff well. I hope he can recapture that form this year, but as a midfielder I just reckon we'd be better off going with someone with better disposal & nouse.
Agree 100% Watt looks better up the ground because he looks so bad down back. Out bodied far to easily and does'nt read the play. Would love Watt to prove me wrong. But how long do we wait.
 
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I'm sorry but I have stuck by this guy for a long time. But he's time is up. Watt is supposed to be one of the fastest in the team. Then why in the hell is he always 5 meters behind. He cannot read the play, can't think. He is very, very soft> Today there was atleast 5-6 one arm tackles. It is time for this weak, soft, slow defender to say goodbye. Hello VFL
 

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This is such a cop out. There is so much wrong with this post. Firstly, what about the players who actually did have bags kicked on them - Gibson and Archer? What about our midfield who offered little resistence meaning the ball was delivered perfectly to the Geelong forwards?

I cannot recall Watt being beaten in any 50's and would have had no more than 3 goals kicked on him.

Far far far from our worst, but is an easy target for many on this board. :rolleyes:
 

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year of the roo said:
This is such a cop out. There is so much wrong with this post. Firstly, what about the players who actually did have bags kicked on them - Gibson and Archer? What about our midfield who offered little resistence meaning the ball was delivered perfectly to the Geelong forwards?

I cannot recall Watt being beaten in any 50's and would have had no more than 3 goals kicked on him.

Far far far from our worst, but is an easy target for many on this board. :rolleyes:
many think he is a shocking footballer and i agree. it is an opinion we are entitled to, so you can't just plainly say that is wrong.

i cringe whenever the ball is in his vicinity, he does not have a football brain that will let him read the play and simply refuses to put his body on the line. playing in defence means he has to have at least one of those qualities, preferrably both..

yesterday's loss was not his fault (in my opinion he was worse last week) but i don't think anyone is saying he was the only bad performer. to say that others were as bad or worse than him yesterday should not be a defence of him.

the compariosn to archer and gibson is ridiculous. one was playing his second game, while the other has earned many many more bad days considering what he has given us in the past.

watt has never been a consistent reliable performer and i think he has run out of chances for the time being. it is time for him to go back to the vfl and work on his obvious weaknesses. i also think others such as pratt and sinclair should join him. don't paint him as a victim as though he is being singled out.
 

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many think he is a shocking footballer and i agree. it is an opinion we are entitled to, so you can't just plainly say that is wrong.

i cringe whenever the ball is in his vicinity, he does not have a football brain that will let him read the play and simply refuses to put his body on the line. playing in defence means he has to have at least one of those qualities, preferrably both..

yesterday's loss was not his fault (in my opinion he was worse last week) but i don't think anyone is saying he was the only bad performer. to say that others were as bad or worse than him yesterday should not be a defence of him.

the compariosn to archer and gibson is ridiculous. one was playing his second game, while the other has earned many many more bad days considering what he has given us in the past.

watt has never been a consistent reliable performer and i think he has run out of chances for the time being. it is time for him to go back to the vfl and work on his obvious weaknesses. i also think others such as pratt and sinclair should join him. don't paint him as a victim as though he is being singled out.
But he is being singled out, along with Petrie. I'm not comparing Watt to Gibson and Archer in terms of ability or achievements, I'm just comparing their games and IMO Watt was clearly better than those 2.

I'm not for a minute saying 'Watt is a great player, why can't anyone else see this?' He's not. But he's also not not as bad as some are making him out to be.

It seems as though many players on this board will never be criticised whilst others will be criticised no matter what they do, and its pathetic.

If Wells had played a game on par to Watt's no doubt some would have given him votes.
 

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ShovelstoShovels said:
I'm sorry but I have stuck by this guy for a long time. But he's time is up. Watt is supposed to be one of the fastest in the team. Then why in the hell is he always 5 meters behind. He cannot read the play, can't think. He is very, very soft> Today there was atleast 5-6 one arm tackles. It is time for this weak, soft, slow defender to say goodbye. Hello VFL
I've only been saying all this for 5 years but apparently Watt is a top bloke?
What baffles me is that everyone pumps up his tyres telling me how quick he is, & yet, the NM coaching staff give Archer a shot on Kingsley before Watt!!! Just goes to show how much faith the coaching staff really have in Watt. And all this talk of Watt playing up the ground providing run & drive - I didn't see him do it once yesterday.
As I said in a post last week - Watt will be dropped by round 8. Play 2-3 more games by the end of the year & then syonara.
 

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year of the roo said:
But he is being singled out, along with Petrie. I'm not comparing Watt to Gibson and Archer in terms of ability or achievements, I'm just comparing their games and IMO Watt was clearly better than those 2.


Absolutely incorrect.

I am not saying Watt should be dropped, but you lose all credibility when you state he is better than Petrie.

He clearly isn't, and the stats back it up.

You can't have your own whipping horse and expect to deny others theirs.

Our game style is easily our biggest enemy, and ATM a Pagan coached North would be better than a Laidley coached North considering the players we have.
 

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Absolutely incorrect.

I am not saying Watt should be dropped, but you lose all credibility when you state he is better than Petrie.

He clearly isn't, and the stats back it up.

You can't have your own whipping horse and expect to deny others theirs.

Our game style is easily our biggest enemy, and ATM a Pagan coached North would be better than a Laidley coached North considering the players we have.
Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Pagan started this rot back in 2001 and we have not been much chop since. The amount of young guys not given opportunites was staggering and it left us without the options we could, and i mean could, have had.

I don't think we have progressed since 2000 and it is a mixture of our selection decisions post season and our inability to dive for a season. The Dogs are a great example of a team that have played their "below par" youngsters continuously and are now reaping the benefits.

We coach to survive not to hold the cup up.
 

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Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Pagan started this rot back in 2001 and we have not been much chop since. The amount of young guys not given opportunites was staggering and it left us without the options we could, and i mean could, have had.

I don't think we have progressed since 2000 and it is a mixture of our selection decisions post season and our inability to dive for a season. The Dogs are a great example of a team that have played their "below par" youngsters continuously and are now reaping the benefits.

We coach to survive not to hold the cup up.


Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

My statements are about game style and have nothing to do with drafting.

I will repeat, we would be a far better performing side with a Pagan style of game plan, considering the players we have.
 

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Yawn................Always the players, never the coaching.


Cause the players tell Dean and Co where and who and how they want to play, Dean just sits up there with Headphone's on listening to Soft co(k rock from the 80's.
 

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Melly017 said:
Yawn................Always the players, never the coaching.


Cause the players tell Dean and Co where and who and how they want to play, Dean just sits up there with Headphone's on listening to Soft co(k rock from the 80's.
Yeah, Laids tells Petrie to hand it to the Cats player 5 metres out from goal :rolleyes:
 

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year of the roo said:
But he is being singled out, along with Petrie. I'm not comparing Watt to Gibson and Archer in terms of ability or achievements, I'm just comparing their games and IMO Watt was clearly better than those 2.

I'm not for a minute saying 'Watt is a great player, why can't anyone else see this?' He's not. But he's also not not as bad as some are making him out to be.

It seems as though many players on this board will never be criticised whilst others will be criticised no matter what they do, and its pathetic.

If Wells had played a game on par to Watt's no doubt some would have given him votes.
Sorry YOTR but Watt is as bad as some are making him out to be. He just looks so out of place and never holds onto a tackle. Im getting annoyed why so many people on here stand up for him. He has pretented to be a footballer for 10 years now and its time to go.
 

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Devil Fish said:
I've only been saying all this for 5 years but apparently Watt is a top bloke?
What baffles me is that everyone pumps up his tyres telling me how quick he is, & yet, the NM coaching staff give Archer a shot on Kingsley before Watt!!! Just goes to show how much faith the coaching staff really have in Watt. And all this talk of Watt playing up the ground providing run & drive - I didn't see him do it once yesterday.
As I said in a post last week - Watt will be dropped by round 8. Play 2-3 more games by the end of the year & then syonara.
You can only hope
 

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year of the roo said:
Firstly, what about the players who actually did have bags kicked on them - Gibson and Archer?
Did Watt have the 3rd best tall on him? (Got Kingsley in the last quarter I believe, because of how crap Archer was playing). Stats aside, he just looks very ordinary with his defensive skills. He wouldn't know where to run if he didn't have a forward to follow. I will find it very interesting watching him over the next couple of weeks.

What about our midfield who offered little resistence meaning the ball was delivered perfectly to the Geelong forwards?
Our midfield has been out weakest link for a long time. There is no doubting that. They have their good days every so often but its an area we certainly need to work on.
 

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Yeah, Laids tells Petrie to hand it to the Cats player 5 metres out from goal :rolleyes:
Yeah, Drew goes out to make mistakes to pi$$ you off F/D. Makes his week listenening to Computer Screen champions. Lets point out all the errors you made in your football career.:rolleyes:

The match ups were poor from the start of the game.
Gibbo is not a CHB/FB. Not yet anyway. Nor will he be. not big enuff. The coach failed to show Kent any respect and it showed. He should have had Archer/Brown/Watt.

Once again Brown can't seem to hold down one of the two key positions in the back line. And needs to offer something to the team rather than a crumbing forward as he has done for the last few weeks. Your a big back man play like one. or hold down CHF for a game.

Perry did a fair job on Ottens, yes but the geelong players didn't need to kick it too him as Kent was 5 meters in the clear every into 50 they had. First game too early to tell. Hope he gets a job each week and isn't moved around.

The greatest player in the history of the Club couldn't stop the Kent yesterday. No pre-season, needs to play up the field or in the forward line. Take care of him, he has earned that from the club.

Drew play's everywhere and is still but into the ruck with Hale and Hamish in the side. WTF is that???Drew play CHF present, lead, open it up act as a decoy, RUN, RUN, RUN. Or down back and hold a position, he was the match up for Ottens. In the Ruck. WHY?

Watt's moved to cover the holes Brown can't fill. And he is not a key position backman. Yet week in week out his put on the key player in the back line after being moved there cause someone else has failed. That's why we have got Hay, Brown, Rawlings, Perry. The coach has had him for three years, you should be able to teach something to him in three years? 100 games in and we still don't know. I would love to see Watt in the twos, that would mean one of the 6 other people that can play his role are playing it well enuff to replace him.

He makes a scapegoat and singles out Troy, at least troy ran the lines, linked up play and could go one on one. Thats why he was dragged to the last line and people tried to outmark him. He was a good playmaker.

Two weeks in a row the coaching panel has panicked in the first 10 mins of the match, is it any wonder the blokes down back have no confidence, a weeks worth of talk about match up's is out the door and it's who is on who.

Questions need to be asked, ask the right person, I'm yet to see one thread on the coach. He needs to stop bagging the supporters, talking about where we play, and talking about finals and respect. Win some finals as a coach Dean, Win some games, learn, teach and the club can only go forward.
 
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