3rd Man Up Banned

[ManOfClay]

Hi everyone,

Is this rule change good or bad for Max Gawn, and why?

Asking for a friend.

Thanks,
Toump Ass.

Good for Gawn. Won't have an opposition mid kneeing him in the ribs to win a tap.

Apart from that it will be business as usual. He's still a good footballer.

Rule is there to bring plodders like Lobbe back into the game

 

[Dazb86]

We get smashed in hitouts most games.

The only ruck I can really remember us having trouble with is Natanui

 

[Clems Knee]

We get smashed in hitouts most games.

The only ruck I can really remember us having trouble with is Natanui

...and Sandilands. Who conicidentally was rubbed out for the round 1 game between Western Bulldogs and Fremantle because he tried to stop the third man up.

 

[Dazb86]

...and Sandilands. Who conicidentally was rubbed out for the round 1 game between Western Bulldogs and Fremantle because he tried to stop the third man up.

Hmm I can't really remember Sandilands having a big influence in a game against us.

 

[go you pups]

Hmm I can't really remember Sandilands having a big influence in a game against us.

Round 7 2015

Had like 70 hitouts that day up against Ayce and Jong and Boyd

 

[go you pups]

Sandlilands never really influences games in a big way anyway

Struggles to get around the ground, kinda reminds me of Monkhorst to be honest, positions himself between the arcs

 

[go you pups]

From a Dogs perspective, this rule helps Tom Campbell imo, he's a better contest ruck than Roughy and Boyd, so he may work his way back into the team perhaps.

 

[go you pups]

I can't recall a single elite ruck getting on top of us this year. The 3-4 third man up hitouts per game we had obviously helped, but it's only going to take a minor adjustment to our game plan.

Besides the fact, I believe Roughead is and will be quite a good ruckman in his own right. His raw hitouts numbers weren't huge but that was mainly due to him playing a role to simply prevent the opposition ruck from winning clean hitouts and also having Tom Boyd share a bit more of ruck than most 2nd rucks usually do.

Grundy did big time in that Friday night game

Was the only reason why that game went down to the wire imo

 

[Decimation]

Round 7 2015

Had like 70 hitouts that day up against Ayce and Jong and Boyd

Sandlilands never really influences games in a big way anyway

Struggles to get around the ground, kinda reminds me of Monkhorst to be honest, positions himself between the arcs

From a Dogs perspective, this rule helps Tom Campbell imo, he's a better contest ruck than Roughy and Boyd, so he may work his way back into the team perhaps.

Grundy did big time in that Friday night game

Was the only reason why that game went down to the wire imo

Anyone else allowed in this conversation?

 

[go you pups]

Anyone else allowed in this conversation?

My two cents worth must be about 8 atm

 

[Righteo]

Sandlilands never really influences games in a big way anyway

Struggles to get around the ground, kinda reminds me of Monkhorst to be honest, positions himself between the arcs

wut

 

[go you pups]

wut

I remember your ruck debates from years past


Haha

 

[WestCoast05]

In my opinion this isn't the saviour of rucks people are hoping for. Max Gawn will still be recognised as a great ruck, but teams with only average rucks are still going to be successful.

The saviour of rucks is the fact that so long as it is an actual position teams will aim to have the best ruckman possible.

And teams can still be successful with just an average ruck, just like West Coast having the back to back Coleman medalist the past 2 seasons brought different results over the 2 years.

Bulldogs just won the premiereship without a dominant ruck AND without an elite forward, good on them!
But moving forward they will look to recruit the strongest forwards and strongest ruckman.

The ruckman does not need saving at all. There's at least 15 teams who would trade their current ruck for NicNat in a aecond (once he's not injured of course haha).

 

[Freo Big Fella]

Sandlilands never really influences games in a big way anyway

Struggles to get around the ground, kinda reminds me of Monkhorst to be honest, positions himself between the arcs

It's like you haven't actually watched him since 2002.

 

[Bokonon_]

The saviour of rucks is the fact that so long as it is an actual position teams will aim to have the best ruckman possible.

And no crap teams can still be successful with just an average ruck, just like West Coast having the back to back Coleman medalist the past 2 seasons brought different results over the 2 years.

Bulldogs just won the premiereship without a dominant ruck AND without an elite forward, good on them!
But moving forward they will look to recruit the strongest forwards and strongest ruckman.

The ruckman does not need saving at all. There's at least 15 teams who would trade their current ruck for NicNat in a aecond (once he's not injured of course haha).

I get that about the Bulldogs, I'm not critical of the list generally and dont doubt they have the best pack of mids in the comp. It's likely they will be very effective at the clearances by sharking taps next year.
The rule change isn't good for them though.
I do think if you ignore a potential weakness it wiĺl bite you on the backside at some point, when things aren't going so well.
You'd think they will be keen to play a competent specialist ruck with Roughead as soon as they can.

 

[Rack Watts]

Why do they change rules after the trade period?

 

[HawkNation]

Pretty sure they would have given clubs a good indication of rule changes before the trade period.

The main thing is you know the rules before you start training for the season.

Hawthorn clearly knew, Good Luck Jordan

 

[boncer34]

Pretty sure they would have given clubs a good indication of rule changes before the trade period.

The main thing is you know the rules before you start training for the season.

Hawthorn clearly knew, Good Luck Jordan

Yeah I'm sure Melbourne got him to help Gawn out.

 

[Sedat!]

According to Fox Sports, 24.8% of the 687 hitouts the Dogs achieved in the regular season were with third man up. 170 in total.

With the ban, it puts them down to 517. By comparison, Max Gawn had 928 hitouts. In fact, the top ten rucks for hitouts (Gawn, Goldstein, Mumford, Jacobs, Hampson, Hickey, Leuenberger, Martin, Grundy and Naitanui) all had equal to or better hitout numbers individually than what the Dogs would have achieved without 3rd man up as an entire team. And I'm pretty sure you can add Sandilands and Ryder to that list for next year.

But it's not going to make a difference, right?

Of course it is going to affect us if we stand still and not continue to work on improving and evolving our game plan - much like you blokes since 2014.

 

[Sedat!]

Bulldogs just won the premiereship without a dominant ruck AND without an elite forward, good on them!
But moving forward they will look to recruit the strongest forwards and strongest ruckman.

Thankfully we already went about addressing both areas in the trade period and ND this year.

 

[Janus]

Of course it is going to affect us if we stand still and not continue to work on improving and evolving our game plan - much like you blokes since 2014.

As long as we don't suffer the same amount of injuries to key position players (not the half-back flankers you were missing during the year), you'll see just how much it's evolved this year. I guarantee it.

 

[ManOfClay]

As long as we don't suffer the same amount of injuries to key position players (not the half-back flankers you were missing during the year), you'll see just how much it's evolved this year. I guarantee it.

Give us a break.

Port's problems weren't injuries. An average list, tactically weak coach and terrible leadership were

 

[PowerForGood]

Give us a break.

Port's problems weren't injuries. An average list, tactically weak coach and terrible leadership were

Ouch. Must feel good to be able to dish it out after 60 years of copping it.

 

[mike123]

That's a shame I always like the third man up rule.

 

[SCRAY72]

As long as we don't suffer the same amount of injuries to key position players (not the half-back flankers you were missing during the year), you'll see just how much it's evolved this year. I guarantee it.

Adams , Dalhlaus, Macrae , Libba , Wallis and Redpath are not flankers.