3rd ODI; Australia V India @ the MCG.
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As i said earlier, pretty sure Smith played a number of ODIs batting at 7 or 8, maybe we should compare their averages whilst batting at 3 or 4, not saying Smiths average would be higher than Kholis but it would be a fair bit closer.
I’ve just told you, Smith’s best average is at 3. He averages 51. Kohli’s career average - all his spots, good and bad, best and worst, is 59.
Kohli’s average actually goes up to 63 at #3.
This doesn’t even address the simply paranormal figures he boasts in run chases, the ultimate test of an odi player.
It would be easier for Kurt Fearnley to kick a torpedo punt from one end of Kardinia Park to the other, than it would be for you to win this argument.
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Fair enough.
The only player in the discussion with him as best odi player of all time is Viv, courtesy of the monstrosity of his numbers in relativity to the time in which he played. That’s it. No one else is in the hemisphere.
Smith is a tremendous short form batsman but he’s no better than two dozen others. He’s not the second best odi player of recent times, he’s not third (fwiw in terms of batsmen I think Amla is probably next best. Freak century record).
He is already an all time great test batsman, and for the moment I’m happy to say he’s clearly better than Kohli. I’ve said before I feel that might change due to smith’s reliance on his eye but who knows. Maybe the gap will widen.
Id have AB de Villiers right up there as well.
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The King’s numbers are utterly ridiculous. Difficult to process just how good these stats are, he’s peerless in many of these categories.
10,300+ runs already, at an insane average with 39 tonnes. He’s only 30 years old. 24 hundreds in chases. Averages 80 as captain. 99 in victories.
25 test tonnes already. And the only batsman to get that milestone in less innings is Bradman.
14 of his test centuries are outside of India. 6 already in Australia.
Kohli is an absolute freak, the first man I’d pick on my team sheet. Already an all time great and still quite young.
He’s a machine, absolutely brilliant to watch and I made sure my son watched as much of him as possible this summer. Witnessing greatness.
Can’t wait to have King Kohli back on our shores in 2 years time. Been an amusing last page or so to read
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I don't like some of Kohli's mannerisms on the field (Australian teams of the past got criticized for similar actions) but holy s**t you have to respect him.
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Smith beats Kohli on tons per innings in tests, 13 less games and only 2 behind, some of those games he played as a bowler/all rounder, Smith is the best batsman in the world.The King’s numbers are utterly ridiculous. Difficult to process just how good these stats are, he’s peerless in many of these categories.
10,300+ runs already, at an insane average with 39 tonnes. He’s only 30 years old. 24 hundreds in chases. Averages 80 as captain. 99 in victories.
25 test tonnes already. And the only batsman to get that milestone in less innings is Bradman.
14 of his test centuries are outside of India. 6 already in Australia.
Kohli is an absolute freak, the first man I’d pick on my team sheet. Already an all time great and still quite young.
He’s a machine, absolutely brilliant to watch and I made sure my son watched as much of him as possible this summer. Witnessing greatness.
Can’t wait to have King Kohli back on our shores in 2 years time. Been an amusing last page or so to read
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On the subject of Kohli's Test career I think he's still a fair ways from the likes of Sachin, Ponting and Smith. I know home track bully gets thrown around a lot but the current standard of Test match bowling overseas is mostly mediocre and he's really cashed in on teams like England, Sri Lanka, Windies etc. just having no idea when they go over there. In his 3 tours to Australia he's also come up against either some pretty ordinary bowling (bad bowlers or bowlers out of form) on some of the worst pitches we've dished up.
Australia should've been some sort of challenge for him to overcome, like most of the great batsman have had to do but instead it's arguably been easier for him then batting at home. Sachin and co had to face the likes of Warne and McGrath while Kohlis had to battle against Mitchell Starc in career worst form. Would've been a great contest for him to come up against Harris and Johnson at their peak on good quality pitches here.
To be honest it's not really just reflective of Kohli, it's more the state of the scheduling etc. which undermines some of Test Cricket.
Australia should've been some sort of challenge for him to overcome, like most of the great batsman have had to do but instead it's arguably been easier for him then batting at home. Sachin and co had to face the likes of Warne and McGrath while Kohlis had to battle against Mitchell Starc in career worst form. Would've been a great contest for him to come up against Harris and Johnson at their peak on good quality pitches here.
To be honest it's not really just reflective of Kohli, it's more the state of the scheduling etc. which undermines some of Test Cricket.
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Someone said earlier he's a top 3 ODI OAT, not sure about that but i'd have Gilchrist ahead of him, his average might not stack up but his strike rate would make up for that, and he kept.
OAT is hard to work out, does Viv get a gig? Batted with a tooth pic compared to modern day players, no ropes in Vivs day, had to hit or clear the fence.
No power plays either.
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Yup, Viv was the best i've seen, i remember as boy saying we should let Grenidge and Haynes bat the whole innings, because when Viv and Clive got together the game was over.
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Bullshit man, you'd pick Kohli ahead of Gilchrist? Averages need to be factored in, but so do strike rates, Indian fans nic named Gilly "The Destroyer" after he toured there, in the modern game using school yard picks Gilchrist gets picked first (unless you go to a special school) before Viv even considering his keeping ability, overall he's the best ODI player of alltime IMO, averaged over 50 in tests as well iirc, not bad for a gloveman.
Averaged 47 in test at 82, not sure anyone can boast those stats, considering how many runs he scored that strike rate is freakish.
ODI 36.9 at 96.9
All done whilst keeping, and he was a pretty good keeper, not great but good.
I still don't how high he gripped the bat though, never seen anyone else do that, must of had freakishly strong wrists.
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That’s the thing, Kohli basically walks into an all-time XI ODI team already and he has a long way to go yet, Smith isn’t even in the discussion.
For tests it is likely the other way round but Smith probably isn’t a lock yet, though he’s be in discussions, Kohli wouldn’t be.
No one really cares about T20I.
Best ODI XI would make some great debate.
For tests it is likely the other way round but Smith probably isn’t a lock yet, though he’s be in discussions, Kohli wouldn’t be.
No one really cares about T20I.
Best ODI XI would make some great debate.
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Agreed, where would you rate Gilchrist overall?
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People spend to much time focussing on stats IMO, if your balls were on the line a player like Steve Waugh would be in my team, stats say no but in big games he was an animal, best captain OAT bar none IMO.
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I know I have been unfairly harsh on the Indian cricket team. but I met alot of Indian fans at Crown casino and they are the nicest fans you would ever meet.
We just weren’t good enough,I have to say,well done to India,a great team with classy fans who love a beer and a joke,congrats India ,sorry for being a prick.
We just weren’t good enough,I have to say,well done to India,a great team with classy fans who love a beer and a joke,congrats India ,sorry for being a prick.
Nice selective reading, you failed to comment on the rest of my post however
Sure, Smith has the innings up his sleeve to beat Kohli’s record to 25 tonnes. But it’s all speculation until if/when it happens (and given he’s suspended currently for cheating, will have to wait a little while longer).
Anyway, this all began with your “in all forms” comment which still raises a chuckle from me despite it being comprehensively dismantled already. To be honest, the main reason I’m still following this thread is to see what you come up with next
Yes, believe it or not, in odi cricket I would pick a player who hits a century every five games - despite having less overs to face than Gilchrist - and who’s ability to get his team home in run chases is absolutely unparalleled, over another player who averages 25 less.
He’s hit two and a half times as many centuries as Gilchrist.... in 80 less games.
Hell, Gilchrist isn’t even the first left handed opener id pick in an all time ODI side. I’d pick Jayasuriya before him. He changed the way the entire game was played, and took the small matter of 350 wickets.
Gilchrist seems an odd choice if you were to try and argue that Kohli isn’t the best of all time.
Richards, perhaps Garner who’s bowling numbers stick out like dogs balls, maybe Dhoni if you were to factor in his finishing and his keeping, and Amla who averages 50 and has 27 centuries from 169 matches.
I mean seriously - Gilchrist isn’t even (statistically at least) the best left-handed opening batsman wicketkeeper in odi cricket.
That title belongs to quinton De Kock.
In 190 less matches than Gilchrist he’s hit 13 centuries (three less than Gilchrist). His average is 10 higher, his strike rate is the same. And he’s only 26. And he plays half his games on the most new ball friendly decks in the world.
Pick your battles a bit better mate.
Kohli destroyed a lot of that this year.
His century (150) against Rabada, Philander, Morkel and Maharaj at SuperSport park was a masterclass in a series absolutely dominated by the ball.
His two centuries and a 90 in England against Broad, Anderson, Curran and Stokes were next level good as well. And people seem to have already forgotten how difficult batting was in Perth a few weeks ago.
He’s not at Dravidian levels of ‘Indian overseas’ achievement yet but he’s got nothing left to prove. He’s hit 10 centuries in Australia, england, SA and NZ.
Edit: last year
Without a doubt. Without a single hesitation.
Your Australian hard on is clouding your judgement on a few things it seems.
