Player Watch #44 Jake Lloyd - 2018 Bob Skilton medalist

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caesar88

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Didn’t he get his arse handed to him a few times when playing on the wing by the likes of both hill boys etc and that’s why his role might have changed?

When we were fighting off with Freo, hawks etc a few years back

Especially brad hill
You mean in first year?

That was basically the only stage of his career where he spent a lot of time on the wing. Since then he’s gradually progressed into a half back flanker and almost a back pocket type. Lloyd’s a very different beast to the one who started at the club. He’d kill it on the wing and we desperately lack that outside run and polish.

Won’t happen though as Horse needs his best ball users in defence to make his game plan of “keep the ball in our back half” look better than it is.
 

Punts

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You mean in first year?

That was basically the only stage of his career where he spent a lot of time on the wing. Since then he’s gradually progressed into a half back flanker and almost a back pocket type. Lloyd’s a very different beast to the one who started at the club. He’d kill it on the wing and we desperately lack that outside run and polish.

Won’t happen though as Horse needs his best ball users in defence to make his game plan of “keep the ball in our back half” look better than it is.
No not first year

Couldn’t run with the best wingers
 

caesar88

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No not first year

Couldn’t run with the best wingers
Ah if you're referring to his time on the wing in 14 then yes, that was his first year. By 2015 he was already spending more time in the defensive half as that Rhyce Shaw role, and it was basically permanent by 2016.

My point is not that he needs to match it with the best wingers anyway. He can be our own wingman. All of his strengths are suited to the wing - hard running, metres gained, uncontested footy, great disposal. He wouldn't need to "match it" with anyone, just get his 25-30 touches and put them to better use than just potting around the defensive 50.
 

Punts

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Ah if you're referring to his time on the wing in 14 then yes, that was his first year. By 2015 he was already spending more time in the defensive half as that Rhyce Shaw role, and it was basically permanent by 2016.

My point is not that he needs to match it with the best wingers anyway. He can be our own wingman. All of his strengths are suited to the wing - hard running, metres gained, uncontested footy, great disposal. He wouldn't need to "match it" with anyone, just get his 25-30 touches and put them to better use than just potting around the defensive 50.
Very true , very good by foot around the 15-20m mark
 

Swan4Life

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Yeah, I'll concede he's improved. Not like there wasnt room for it.

And as for the B&F, lets get real - this was our worst season in 10 years - so its akin to beating your great granny in an arm wrestle. Which makes him the best of a poor bunch IMO.

Meh.
 

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Wolftone

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if you take him down to your basement he won't be walking anywhere for a long time. on that note can you cut toby pink loose so we can delist him.

to be fair he was very consistent picking up cheap possessions in the back half and linking up with the midfield with short safe kicks. he was also very consistent at jumping in the air to spoil and missing the ball entirely.
He is the back half runner and distributer. That is, his role. I think you just hate for hate's sake mate. He is an integral part of our back half and stop knocking our really goid players. With supporters like you who needs opponents. You bag our blokes more than our opponent's fans.

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caesar88

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He is the back half runner and distributer. That is, his role. I think you just hate for hate's sake mate. He is an integral part of our back half and stop knocking our really goid players. With supporters like you who needs opponents. You bag our blokes more than our opponent's fans.

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Agree the Lloyd hate on here is disgraceful IMO
 

Jack2Jack

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I think he and McVeigh in combination leave us going too sideways and too short too often. Both are good players but not damaging enough to have both playing together as our main weapons off half back. One has too be moved to the wing or not play at all for mine. Need more a more penetrating or damaging player to take take kick ins with the new rules. These 2 are too safety first to be the designated kicker inners.
I thought Thurlow was more damaging and penetrating then either with less ball throughout the JTL and should've been given a spot in the round one team team. (Although I think it should've been one of Melican/Grundy who missed in this particular game).
 

caesar88

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I will concede.... that Lloyd needs to come out of his shell more. He's not the fastest, nor the toughest, nor the cleanest. But he is a pretty good combination of those things when he wants to be, certainly enough to get more plays going than he did tonight. I think the problem with Lloyd is that from day one he's been a good, old-fashioned footballer's footballer. It's why I love him as a player and am so glad he's a Swan for life. He does the things the coach is asked of him and will perfect and nail his role to a tee. He's probably one of the first two or three names put on the board every week for this exact reason.

But we're at a point now where we can't have players doing strictly what the coach expects of them, otherwise we'll be left with even less answers than we had tonight. We're gonna need some blokes to go rogue. Jones is good at that, Buddy, Heeney, Papley, Florent etc are too. The amount of times tonight Lloyd looked up and there was an opening in front of him, and he instead chose to go sideways, was disappointing to see, because the Lloyd of 2016 100% would have gone for that space and took the game on. His 20-25 possessions in those days were more substantial than the 30 or so he had tonight. Needs to be encouraged to go off the leash more, because I think that version of Lloyd is very, very good, certainly better than what we saw tonight (which wasn't bad, just underwhelming.)
 
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