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Player Watch #44 Sydney Stack

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Rioli2Rioli said:
The Old Mantra these days is : play him somewhere else other than the forward pocket.
or put him on the HBF

Fact is he always starts behind the 8 ball and spends most of the season trying to get upto speed
if he gets another year that could be his last if he doesnt improve this area.

watching last weeks game which he played very well you could still see he is not 100% in best shape
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And what of all the players who have off season injuries and don't get on the track until near Xmas, 2 months after Stack has been in full time training.

The running they do in the month or two after xmas is not that strenuous, my son has lived with an AFL footballer for the last 3 years and does the running with him off season sometimes and it is not much more than what he does on his own. It is just moderate stuff in preparation to the 4 months of slog the preseason gives them.
 
Grrr said:
And what of all the players who have off season injuries and don't get on the track until near Xmas, 2 months after Stack has been in full time training.

The running they do in the month or two after xmas is not that strenuous, my son has lived with an AFL footballer for the last 3 years and does the running with him off season sometimes and it is not much more than what he does on his own. It is just moderate stuff in preparation to the 4 months of slog the preseason gives them.
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Looks like you dont get it

Its about his state of mind and work ethic , Stack is not injured but lay during the off season and doesnt put in the work
All about attitude - Thats why he was over looked in his draft
 

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Rioli2Rioli said:
Looks like you dont get it

Its about his state of mind and work ethic , Stack is not injured but lay during the off season and doesnt put in the work
All about attitude - Thats why he was over looked in his draft
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I do get that, everyone gets that. What I don't get is how nearly 10 months later he is still not getting a gig. He has played some excellent games, no show. He has been made to play the one position all year, no show. From a far it must be more than just form and fitness, he or the club or both has checked and he hasn't been up for selection in months now.
 
Grrr said:
I do get that, everyone gets that. What I don't get is how nearly 10 months later he is still not getting a gig. He has played some excellent games, no show. He has been made to play the one position all year, no show. From a far it must be more than just form and fitness, he or the club or both has checked and he hasn't been up for selection in months now.
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Agree
The only bloke who deserved a chance more than him was cumbo and he’s was a little fortunate with lynch getting injured. Imagine if cumbo didn’t get his chance and left……. Selection committee has a lot to answer for this year.
 
Grrr said:
I do get that, everyone gets that. What I don't get is how nearly 10 months later he is still not getting a gig. He has played some excellent games, no show. He has been made to play the one position all year, no show. From a far it must be more than just form and fitness, he or the club or both has checked and he hasn't been up for selection in months now.
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The thing is he has not played excellent level of football on a consistent basis , He has had a good game followed by an average game then a crap game
Stack is clearly not doing all the things the coaches want and regarding position thats where he is needed and we have better options in other area's
so he will have to make that his own and he has the talent to do that.

The position thats available to him up for grabs is the Edwards position which he is capable of playing but required a higher level of fitness
its totally upto him if he wants to take that.

The club has shown this year its prepared to give kids a run and there is no reason why they wouldnt do the same with Stack provided he is doing whts asked. Its not in the clubs interest to see him fail and they are working with him 6-8 hours day not just watching 2 hours of a VFL game once a week
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
The thing is he has not played excellent level of football on a consistent basis , He has had a good game followed by an average game then a crap game
Stack is clearly not doing all the things the coaches want and regarding position thats where he is needed and we have better options in other area's
so he will have to make that his own and he has the talent to do that.

The position thats available to him up for grabs is the Edwards position which he is capable of playing but required a higher level of fitness
its totally upto him if he wants to take that.

The club has shown this year its prepared to give kids a run and there is no reason why they wouldnt do the same with Stack provided he is doing whts asked. Its not in the clubs interest to see him fail and they are working with him 6-8 hours day not just watching 2 hours of a VFL game once a week
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I have no problem with trying Stack forward. But why would you continue the same thing week after week when there was little improvement. They tried Mansell forward, didn't really work so two weeks later he was in the backline again.

Stack could have been run through the backline for a few weeks to get some form, let him enjoy his footy then tried again forward if need be. He is very obviously a back, but fair enough try him forward. Let him have a run on the wing or through the midflield. But no, forward pocket each week. It has baffled me for months as to why they have not even tried anything. The club may have done him some favours but it has also been very blooddy minded with him as well, our way or the highway. And it looks like the highway to me, which is pretty disappointing.
 
Grrr said:
I do get that, everyone gets that. What I don't get is how nearly 10 months later he is still not getting a gig. He has played some excellent games, no show. He has been made to play the one position all year, no show. From a far it must be more than just form and fitness, he or the club or both has checked and he hasn't been up for selection in months now.
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I think the club is trying him, if he signs on with us after this season, he's gonna make it big time.
 
Grrr said:
I have no problem with trying Stack forward. But why would you continue the same thing week after week when there was little improvement. They tried Mansell forward, didn't really work so two weeks later he was in the backline again.

Stack could have been run through the backline for a few weeks to get some form, let him enjoy his footy then tried again forward if need be. He is very obviously a back, but fair enough try him forward. Let him have a run on the wing or through the midflield. But no, forward pocket each week. It has baffled me for months as to why they have not even tried anything. The club may have done him some favours but it has also been very blooddy minded with him as well, our way or the highway. And it looks like the highway to me, which is pretty disappointing.
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they have played him on the wing and also had stints in the midfield as well
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
The thing is he has not played excellent level of football on a consistent basis , He has had a good game followed by an average game then a crap game
Stack is clearly not doing all the things the coaches want and regarding position thats where he is needed and we have better options in other area's
so he will have to make that his own and he has the talent to do that.

The position thats available to him up for grabs is the Edwards position which he is capable of playing but required a higher level of fitness
its totally upto him if he wants to take that.

The club has shown this year its prepared to give kids a run and there is no reason why they wouldnt do the same with Stack provided he is doing whts asked. Its not in the clubs interest to see him fail and they are working with him 6-8 hours day not just watching 2 hours of a VFL game once a week
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Can accept some of that, but here's what you miss.
Bringing up Edwards and his role. He's played crap game after crap game for two seasons, and like George in his supposed 'role', has stunk it up for so long, that 'playing a role' surely becomes redundant.
Stack's form, however inconsistent with a good game followed by an average game, has been far superior to the 20-odd ordinary ones Edwards has dished up and God knows how many shockers in a row George has played.
Whether Stack is what he is built up to be by some on here, the jury is to, but you have to find out and the only way is giving him a chance ahead of non-performers who are not our future.
 
Wooden Robot said:
Can accept some of that, but here's what you miss.
Bringing up Edwards and his role. He's played crap game after crap game for two seasons, and like George in his supposed 'role', has stunk it up for so long, that 'playing a role' surely becomes redundant.
Stack's form, however inconsistent with a good game followed by an average game, has been far superior to the 20-odd ordinary ones Edwards has dished up and God knows how many shockers in a row George has played.
Whether Stack is what he is built up to be by some on here, the jury is to, but you have to find out and the only way is giving him a chance ahead of non-performers who are not our future.
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One thing i can say about Sydney Stack

Since he has been out of the team he has become a better player by the week and im thinking will be at Dustin Martin level in 12 months time
 

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Wooden Robot said:
Can accept some of that, but here's what you miss.
Bringing up Edwards and his role. He's played crap game after crap game for two seasons, and like George in his supposed 'role', has stunk it up for so long, that 'playing a role' surely becomes redundant.
Stack's form, however inconsistent with a good game followed by an average game, has been far superior to the 20-odd ordinary ones Edwards has dished up and God knows how many shockers in a row George has played.
Whether Stack is what he is built up to be by some on here, the jury is to, but you have to find out and the only way is giving him a chance ahead of non-performers who are not our future.
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Guess it’s that balance between backing in guys who have preformed at the level in the past and giving them a chance to work through a form slump or other factors that might not be reflected on the stat sheet

Not so much for Castagna but in terms of Edwards he is a proven performer and leader on field and definitely offers a lot more than just kicks and handballs

Don’t know if the MC have always got that balance right (especially this year) between going back to the well with the guys we know vs giving the unknowns a chance but also in saying that we have seen a lot of kids come through this year as well with the cream getting extended runs when they do show something even if they aren’t perfect (Gibcus, Sonsie, Rioli and Cumberland) and lesser extent Ross, Ralphsmith and Clarke

Club might also simply be giving Edwards his swan song and a chance to play out the year in what definitely seems like his last with guys like Stack (if he stays) told that they will get a chance next year with the spot up for grabs
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
they have played him on the wing and also had stints in the midfield as well
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He played wing preseason and was best on with Pickett and hasn't been seen there again. They ran him through the midfield for about two games and has not been seen there since, about 8 weeks ago. Unlike MRJ played midfield nearly every week he played VFL. They would rather play VFL players Street co. in there.
 
Muddiemoose said:
Guess it’s that balance between backing in guys who have preformed at the level in the past and giving them a chance to work through a form slump or other factors that might not be reflected on the stat sheet

Not so much for Castagna but in terms of Edwards he is a proven performer and leader on field and definitely offers a lot more than just kicks and handballs

Don’t know if the MC have always got that balance right (especially this year) between going back to the well with the guys we know vs giving the unknowns a chance but also in saying that we have seen a lot of kids come through this year as well with the cream getting extended runs when they do show something even if they aren’t perfect (Gibcus, Sonsie, Rioli and Cumberland) and lesser extent Ross, Ralphsmith and Clarke

Club might also simply be giving Edwards his swan song and a chance to play out the year in what definitely seems like his last with guys like Stack (if he stays) told that they will get a chance next year with the spot up for grabs
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With respect to what he has previously achieved and his standing, but let's be honest, it's beyond a 'slump'.
Form is form and is current and he hasn't played a good one in months.
While sad in some respects, he spent a lot of the last quarter in his 300th riding the pine - and thankfully as he has been non-existent in second halves.

I'll put it another way, the great Dennis Pagan trained Victoria Derby winner Johnny Get Angry.
The gelding will ALWAYS be a Group 1 winner and half his luck, they'll never take it away from him.
But he was gifted a spot in last year's Melbourne Cup on reputation and having qualified with that win 12 months ago.
He duly ran deadset last - 41.2 lengths behind the winner.
His previous start he finished 12th of 13 in the Geelong Cup, 20 lengths from the winner.
Before that, last of nine runners at Flemington, 40 lengths behind the winner.
Before that 10th of 12 runners.
You reckon Johnny Get Angry's got any chance of all of a sudden becoming a Group 1 winner or being competitive in big races again???
That's Edwards .... he ain't hitting form let alone top form.

Ditto for Castagna.
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
One thing i can say about Sydney Stack

Since he has been out of the team he has become a better player by the week and im thinking will be at Dustin Martin level in 12 months time
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Only a shell of what Castagna has become if you read the thread, who has seemingly leapfrogged Dusty.
I'd settle for Castagna to be half as effective as Robbie Powell or Clay Sampson at this point.
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
One thing i can say about Sydney Stack

Since he has been out of the team he has become a better player by the week and im thinking will be at Dustin Martin level in 12 months time
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Martyn levels ? Sure. Shown nothing. Ditto Dow and RCD. Dow's contacted so he probably stays. Dodoro seems to keep a close eye on our VFL boys. Could see Stack getting a go there next year. Stack isn't going to change his athletic ability so I see no role for him at Richmond. I was sad to see Bill barrot leave. Eventually got over it.
If George isn't in the team who's the whipping boy. Used to be Brando, now George is playing the role beautifully. His goal kicking at the Gold coast game was f'ing hilarious.
 
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Grrr said:
He played wing preseason and was best on with Pickett and hasn't been seen there again. They ran him through the midfield for about two games and has not been seen there since, about 8 weeks ago. Unlike MRJ played midfield nearly every week he played VFL. They would rather play VFL players Street co. in there.
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Then the coaches didnt see what they wanted from him, contrary to the belief he is being hard done by the coaches are not plotting his downfall as a player and if that was the case he would have been out the door 2 years ago. there is no agenda he is either not playing the role they are asking or not upto the level they want
 
tora tora tora said:
Martyn levels ? Sure. Shown nothing. Ditto Dow and RCD. Dow's contacted so he probably stays. Dodoro seems to keep a close eye on our VFL boys. Could see Stack getting a go there next year. Stack isn't going to change his athletic ability so I see no role for him at Richmond. I was sad to see Bill barrot leave. Eventually got over it.
If George isn't in the team who's the whipping boy. Used to be Brando, now George is playing the role beautifully. His goal kicking at the Gold coast game was f'ing hilarious.
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I was being sarcastic , Stack wouldnt qualify to cut dustys nails
 
Rioli2Rioli said:
Then the coaches didnt see what they wanted from him, contrary to the belief he is being hard done by the coaches are not plotting his downfall as a player and if that was the case he would have been out the door 2 years ago. there is no agenda he is either not playing the role they are asking or not upto the level they want
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So try him elsewhere in a position he is best suited too, like every other footballer in the side would be afforded. Throw him around just to get him into form. You may well say keep doing the same thing over and over until he gets it right, but look how that has gone. Some players are just not suited to certain positions, especially when one has shown to be very good in their best position.

Stack coming in from jail/bail and not arriving at Richmond until April last year, in far worse shape than this year was played at half back and by the end of the season in the senior side he was our best/2nd best in one game.

Stack is up to the level he has demonstrated that. He is not up to the level as a small forward, he has demonstrated that as well. So off to the scrap pile.
 

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