Player Watch #44 Sydney Stack

[Meteoric Rise]

Effort over time is what’s missing, don’t get me wrong I think he’s a ripper but you don’t want the majority of your reason for a long term contract to be speculation.
I don’t think he’d look great to a different player group if he left for more money

Ok so hypothetically, let's say Stack is at Geelong now, doing exactly what he is doing with us, killing it. And let's say we had a need for a player like that, say Houli is forced into retirement by injury. The Cats offer him $250k x 2 years to stay. We offer $350k x 3 years and he leaves, comes to us. Surely you take him and address the player group along the lines of him filling a need and the Cats couldn't/wouldn't offer him what he was worth due to cap space/other players filling same need. You would surely expect our players to embrace the guy, not reject him because he refused to accept an offer substantially below his value, wouldn't you?

If we are talking $800k contracts, ok that is a very different thing, but what is his true market value salary as of now? I understand and agree with your point about speculation, but it is educated speculation based on four very impressive matches(and likely more to come.) If they did the draft again right now, this bloke goes well inside the first round surely. I just think what he is achieving is worth clearly more than a really good young player on a more normal development curve. And back yourself as a club to give him the best possible support to stay on track.

 

[Muddiemoose]

3 x $200k + bonuses (BnF, games, other KPI's)

Pay him up front - enough for some house deposit - lock him down, settle him down - tiger for life!

Wouldn’t be paying him up front just due to the unsettled upbring it would be a mistake to throw a lot of money at him all that once

Would keep him living with x Clarke for a few more years or at least getting living with a few other more mature team mates

Especially given the fact he lost his license before he turned 19 he would still have a little bit of a wild side and he will need guidance both financially and emotionally

 

[Dr Tigris]

Say a club offers him 4 years at $400k and the Tigers say no, can't get near that, best is 2 years at $250k. What pick is that worth? I sort of arrived at about pick 12 value in one post on this thread....

I have no real idea.

But $400K for 4 years after one year is a very high (top 10) pick I would say. A few clubs could afford him if there was a bidding war.

But IMHO we need to think of this in exactly the same way as any well performed kid in their first year. This rarely happens unless the player wants out. And the tigers will have enough $ to offer Sydney something decent from 2020 on. Plus we are hunting premierships - what an incentive to stay!

In any case for Sydney to leave it requires 1) the RFC to screw him and so break his confidence in us (doubt this will happen), or 2) Sydney to want out (Can't see why), or 3) another club to offer us enough to prize away a high quality kid we love. So I'd guess that without anything weird happening it would require over-paying to get Sydney Stack. Basically we have the whip hand, unless we screw it all up.

 

[Dr Tigris]

Wouldn’t be paying him up front just due to the unsettled upbring it would be a mistake to throw a lot of money at him all that once

Would keep him living with x Clarke for a few more years or at least getting living with a few other more mature team mates

Especially given the fact he lost his license before he turned 19 he would still have a little bit of a wild side and he will need guidance both financially and emotionally

Stack said before the draft he wanted out of WA to get away from his upbringing. He seems to have his head screwed on. I imagine seeing the RFC and what it can bring to him if he stays here and does well is amazing motivation.

Plus if he stays and wins a premiership he has gone from undrafted to champion!!

He has many incentives to stay at the RFC and get the support we seem to be good at providing, beyond any money.

 

[Cdog71]

Ok so hypothetically, let's say Stack is at Geelong now, doing exactly what he is doing with us, killing it. And let's say we had a need for a player like that, say Houli is forced into retirement by injury. The Cats offer him $250k x 2 years to stay. We offer $350k x 3 years and he leaves, comes to us. Surely you take him and address the player group along the lines of him filling a need and the Cats couldn't/wouldn't offer him what he was worth due to cap space/other players filling same need. You would surely expect our players to embrace the guy, not reject him because he refused to accept an offer substantially below his value, wouldn't you?

If we are talking $800k contracts, ok that is a very different thing, but what is his true market value salary as of now? I understand and agree with your point about speculation, but it is educated speculation based on four very impressive matches(and likely more to come.) If they did the draft again right now, this bloke goes well inside the first round surely. I just think what he is achieving is worth clearly more than a really good young player on a more normal development curve. And back yourself as a club to give him the best possible support to stay on track.

Your talking halfa mill difference it’s alot..remember when Lennon leveraged us against Carlton to pay him overs, that didn’t work out so well for him or us I don’t think.
I hope the club finds it’s way to a good contract with him where he doesn’t have too much pressure to preform.
I get it that to get someone established into your club most of the time you have to be prepared to pay more than anybody else wants to, but thats the thing it’s encouraging what he contributes and how he preforms..but he needs to focus on becoming established.
IMO

 

[rowlingsdevsqd]

If you were a rival club, and presuming Stack holds his form, would you let Richmond get away with offering $200k or less per year for him? He looks fit enough, more than tough enough, highly skilled, fast and is a good decision maker at AFL level at the age of 18. Say you were the Swans for e.g., you'd be contacting his agent and letting him know $1m for 3 years is on the table at least wouldn't you? You then come up with a trade to match the offer plus allow for his potential, say pick 12 or so. Or am I missing something? Any team with good cap space should be sharpening the pencil for a player like Stack, so the Tigers might have to err on the side of generosity with him.

I heard north is offering him $7.3m for 2 years





He responded with he’d rather fight balme for a packet of monte Carlos


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[THE_GUN]

So the other clubs were right to overlook him, or wrong to overlook him? So far, he is making them look very wrong isn't he?

In answer to your point about setting an example for other young players, I would simply say Stack and also Ross have risen above the others on this list in terms of on field performance to date. They did not do this by accident, both apparently showed great dedication over the off season, well above and beyond what is normally expected.

If I were another club watching all this play out, and Richmond offered Balta, Ross, RCD, Naish, Garthwaite, Stack all similar contracts around $200k I would just simply target the ones that have already proven they are very good AFL players, Stack and Ross, and the one who appears to have massive potential in Balta, with much bigger offers. And I would leave RCD, Naish, Garth out of the shopping trolley for now. Why wouldn't another club make substantial offers to Stack, Balta and Ross if the Tigers don't move to reward them above others they are outperforming?

Not that easy, Firstly you need to trade for them
then you need to pay them then what about the younger players at your club ? Wont they be wanting the same deal ?
Then you will have other clubs doing the same to your young players

what goes around comes around and whilst we see Stack as a bargain other clubs had the option in the rookie draft and passed , A 3-5 game streak wouldnt have changed their minds and now have to trade a pick to get him

 

[THE_GUN]

If they did the draft again right now, this bloke goes well inside the first round surely. I just think what he is achieving is worth clearly more than a really good young player on a more normal development curve. And back yourself as a club to give him the best possible support to stay on track.

I really dont think he would go 1st round

No Club doubted his football ability its his ability to remained focused and dedicated

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I really dont think he would go 1st round

No Club doubted his football ability its his ability to remained focused and dedicated

More than that they must surely have doubted his ability to get to the starting barrier in the right sort of shape to totally blank him. That doubt is totally removed now, and surely with it a decent percentage of the doubts about his ability to sustain, He has PROVEN he can A) get very fit, B) demonstrate about every ability and skill an AFL player needs from game one, C) follow instructions and put the team first, inter alia, and there is plenty of alia....

The only remaining doubt is whether he can sustain it and get through an off season in one piece given a wallet full of cash. But he has invested very heavily so far and that doesn't seem to me to be the sign of a guy who intends to lose the plot, or is even high or medium risk to do so. I love the exercise of trying to place real values on things in life. I would be happy to offer him $1m over three years to leave or stay if that is what it took. He doesn't strike me as the entitled type.

 

[THE_GUN]

More than that they must surely have doubted his ability to get to the starting barrier in the right sort of shape to totally blank him. That doubt is totally removed now, and surely with it a decent percentage of the doubts about his ability to sustain, He has PROVEN he can A) get very fit, B) demonstrate about every ability and skill an AFL player needs from game one, C) follow instructions and put the team first, inter alia, and there is plenty of alia....

The only remaining doubt is whether he can sustain it and get through an off season in one piece given a wallet full of cash. But he has invested very heavily so far and that doesn't seem to me to be the sign of a guy who intends to lose the plot, or is even high or medium risk to do so. I love the exercise of trying to place real values on things in life. I would be happy to offer him $1m over three years to leave or stay if that is what it took. He doesn't strike me as the entitled type.

Yes ................... But

The other teams wont know what its taken to get him to this stage or what it will take to keep him at the level
How high a maintenance he will be or 'IF' they have the ability and the resources to commit to him.

The doubts in their minds wont be gone in just 1 season and no chance they would give up a 1st round pick for him, At best at the moment a pick #30+

 

[theflea]

3 x $200k + bonuses (BnF, games, other KPI's)

Pay him up front - enough for some house deposit - lock him down, settle him down - tiger for life!

Just remember these extra bonus's must be allocated, and therefore not used elsewhere, just in case he meets them. We cant afford these for him at this stage.

 

[Dustin Credible]

Just wondering whether the dreamtime game is a factor for these young indigenous kids...vis a vis contract attractiveness etc.

And on that note can't help but feel the stage is set for something special from Stack in this year's dreamtime match.

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[JAKLAUGHING]

Just wondering whether the dreamtime game is a factor for these young indigenous kids...vis a vis contract attractiveness etc.

And on that note can't help but feel the stage is set for something special from Stack in this year's dreamtime match.

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It's going to rival Anzac Day for attention..
Stack will turn it into a Nightmare Time for the Druggies...cannot wait!

 

[Bazzar]

Just wondering whether the dreamtime game is a factor for these young indigenous kids...vis a vis contract attractiveness etc.

And on that note can't help but feel the stage is set for something special from Stack in this year's dreamtime match.

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Stack playing on Tippa would be great to see.

 

[GoTigers2015]

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Jeez Dusty, what's with the glum?!?

 

[captain cotch 9]

Imagine if he ran through Libba like he did to Viney tonight?
I would build a statue outside my house

 

[THE_GUN]

Imagine if he ran through Libba like he did to Viney tonight?
I would build a statue outside my house

Couldnt think of a better person to run through

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Couldnt think of a better person to run through

The problem is, Libba the sneaky prk being so small would end up getting head contact, rubbing Stack out for weeks. Better to line up English... more of a challenge.

 

[megatiger]

Jeez Dusty, what's with the glum?!?

Stack bump vs don’t argue, dusty feels threatened

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

how about we call it $600k over 3 years with incentives

200k per yr.
plus:
1k per bump.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Couldnt think of a better person to run through

His dad.

 

[This Is Anfield]

I am extremely confident that our FD headed by Neil Balme will have this comfortably under control.

 

[NZ_Tiger]

More than that they must surely have doubted his ability to get to the starting barrier in the right sort of shape to totally blank him. That doubt is totally removed now, and surely with it a decent percentage of the doubts about his ability to sustain, He has PROVEN he can A) get very fit, B) demonstrate about every ability and skill an AFL player needs from game one, C) follow instructions and put the team first, inter alia, and there is plenty of alia....

The only remaining doubt is whether he can sustain it and get through an off season in one piece given a wallet full of cash. But he has invested very heavily so far and that doesn't seem to me to be the sign of a guy who intends to lose the plot, or is even high or medium risk to do so. I love the exercise of trying to place real values on things in life. I would be happy to offer him $1m over three years to leave or stay if that is what it took. He doesn't strike me as the entitled type.

They have their own kids they will won’t to retain and they will have a pay structure in place that won’t see a first year player valued at the kind of sums your pulling out of thin air.

The kind of money your sprinkling is what seasoned players are earning. Grimes and Astbury would only just be getting that at the peak of their careers. It would have to be an exceptional circumstance to break your pay structure for a player that isn’t an elite talent of the league. The only one coming to mind was Boyd at the dogs which has some huge repercussions for their culture let alone the player.


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[TJTIGER]

You know I don't mind if he doesn't get a rising star Nomination, cos he seems like he doesn't mind sticking it up-em when S**t like that happens and RFC are the beneficiaries of that....So afl, do your best....come at us..........