Player Watch #44 Sydney Stack

[Grrr]

And what has SS been doing for the last 3 months not to mention he was in full training and playing the last season

Maybe time to take the blinkers off and accept SS for what he is nd that is he is a great talent but a bloody lazy kid that just is incapable of doing the work required at the level when left n his own. Its been a character trait since his junior years and is the main reason why a top 10 talent went undrafted

Yes we all know that, he does not do the hours of running at home requiring self motivation, that is pretty obvious. But as post #5758 above, he is in good shape, not the overweight tubster that some on here were running with.

I am not making excuses, just not worried in the least that in 4 months time he won't be in great shape and ready to go.

 

[Del65166]

Give me 3 Stacks before Kamdyn, George and Aarts

I want to win football matches. Not athletics carnivals

 

[Charlie Pannam]

Give me 3 Stacks before Kamdyn, George and Aarts

Bit hard on KMac the other 2 agreed

 

[RockJobster0312]

How often does the fitness coach whack a player in the media for poor preparation?

It shows they’re worried about him becoming a long term player.

To be fair, I suspect the Herald Sun specifically asked about Sydney Stack because of his past.

Not sure the wider football public would really care if Will Martyn came back unfit; and thus Burge wasn’t specifically asked about him.

I think perspective is something in this whole discussion. Undoubtedly Stack hasn’t come back to the level that the club would like. That’s definitely a strike against him, but a lot of reports are also that he’s probably in the best shape he’s been in at the start of a pre-season.

I do think a lot of this from Stack’s side of things is a lack of understanding of what is required as opposed to a lack of desire to be pre-season ready.

That’s what Burge’s comments said to me. His understanding and the clubs expectations are not aligned.

Come end of the 2022 season, I don’t think his lack of preparation for the pre-season will be a key decision in retaining his services. It’ll be obviously on-field performance and keeping out of trouble off-field.

I think what it will do is ensure any additional Contract will continue to he incentivized based on physical conditioning.

Stack will be ready for round 1, of that I’ve little doubt. He just hasn’t put himself in a position to take a massive leap (like others e.g. RCD apparently) which considering the competition for spots isn’t great.

 

[Del65166]

Bit hard on KMac the other 2 agreed

Harsh but true...see how the selectors go. I'd half the positions on the field vacant

 

[tigerfan1961]

Harsh but true...see how the selectors go. I'd half the positions on the field vacant

For what KMac provides to the team and it’s gameplan, I think he’s underrated on here

 

[Muddiemoose]

Agree 100%
Fat side wing would be one of the hardest working positions to play

A lot of responsibility as well to cut off opponents making a quick switch across the ground

 

[Mr Magic]

He's not been blessed with great endurance , ahh well bad luck not important for this type of player

On field this kid is going to be so important to any success we get in 2022

On thing for sure is he will not have the endurance for midfield. I can live with that as I see him more as a back and forward.

I don't know Stack but I might have a feel for how he ticks.

He sounds to me a guy like Ablett Snr. Not saying he can play like Ablett Snr but he strikes me as a guy, from afar, that really would be happy enough just kicking the footy with any team and he is in a situation that is beneficial to him and those around him. It just so happens he has a lot of ability which means he can play at a higher level.

I think coming down hard on Stack may not work and be counterproductive, not that I am a expert. Stack simply may not be into going the hard slog all the time. I think he just needs the right incentives to find a balance where he can play and the level he makes a difference for the team, he is happy, and the team wins premierships when it counts. He might need a little more guidance versus instruction, a few more incentives so the club and player can reach a area where his effort and his output and his happiness and goals reach a point where everybody is happy and we all get the most of the situation including output which generated premierships for the team.

Attitude and outlook can change over time as well as he looks for new horizons

 

[Grrr]

On thing for sure is he will not have the endurance for midfield. I can live with that as I see him more as a back and forward

He got on the track last season early April after jail and what looked like a limited running judging by him playing deep forward in the VFL.
By mid July he was back in the AFL and a few weeks later our best with 25 possessions. Not bad.

I don't think anyone knows what sort of stamina Stack has, himself the club or any of us.
Everything is speculation until he gets up and running and has 3 or 4 good months on the track pre-season.

 

[Mr Magic]

He got on the track last season early April after jail and what looked like a limited running judging by him playing deep forward in the VFL.
By mid July he was back in the AFL and a few weeks later our best with 25 possessions. Not bad.

I don't think anyone knows what sort of stamina Stack has, himself the club or any of us.
Everything is speculation until he gets up and running and has 3 or 4 good months on the track pre-season.

No point in fighting against the grain though.

Stack is what he is and he needs to be happy what he is doing, he would have comfort threesholds, He might prefer being a back and/or forward and if his ability and output lets him do it enabling us to win premierships so be it

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Yes we all know that, he does not do the hours of running at home requiring self motivation, that is pretty obvious. But as post #5758 above, he is in good shape, not the overweight tubster that some on here were running with.

I am not making excuses, just not worried in the least that in 4 months time he won't be in great shape and ready to go.

Clearly the club is as they have come out publicly and mentioned that. I think he had very clear instructions which he has not met again

 

[Not Important]

Bit hard on KMac the other 2 agreed

agree. not stylish but a hard runner with a tank who finds the footy. love stack but reckon he's on his last chance.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Just a rung below Chiefs famous 3/0/75 statement.


Before he was drafted, Martin told the Herald Sun he believed he was "born to play AFL".

It was a comment that raised eyebrows at the time, but by season's end, the Tigers privately ranked him the best young player at the club since the great Royce Hart arrived in the late 1960s.

never in doubt

 

[Grrr]

Clearly the club is as they have come out publicly and mentioned that. I think he had very clear instructions which he has not met again

Yes the club has come out publicly, probably after the footage of him at training they may have felt they had to. They obviously want all their players, and even more so Stack to come back as fit as possible. Obviously disappointed.

But that has not much to do with not being ready in 4 months time. What about players in rehab, who don't get on the track often until January. They are still right to go round one, every club has a list of them. The two are not really relevant. He will be as fit as most by the time the season starts. 4 months is ample to get fit if you have a good crack at it.

 

[Rioli2Rioli]

Yes the club has come out publicly, probably after the footage of him at training they may have felt they had to. They obviously want all their players, and even more so Stack to come back as fit as possible. Obviously disappointed.

But that has not much to do with not being ready in 4 months time. What about players in rehab, who don't get on the track often until January. They are still right to go round one, every club has a list of them. The two are not really relevant. He will be as fit as most by the time the season starts. It really doesn't take all that long to get fit if you have a good crack at it.

I have not ever said he wont be ready in 4 months time and that is not the dispute here
Its his attitude to be able to conform to the requirements of the club and come back in good physical shape and ready to go when all the other players are

he is lazy and doesnt do the work required when away from the club and i would bet my bottom dollar the club is pissed off specially after only giving him a 1 year deal with strict rules attached.

Would not surprise me at all if the club cuts him at the end of the year or just gives him another 1 year deal
As i said many times all the talent but not the will to do the work when not at the club

 

[Muddiemoose]

I have not ever said he wont be ready in 4 months time and that is not the dispute here
Its his attitude to be able to conform to the requirements of the club and come back in good physical shape and ready to go when all the other players are

he is lazy and doesnt do the work required when away from the club and i would bet my bottom dollar the club is pissed off specially after only giving him a 1 year deal with strict rules attached.

Would not surprise me at all if the club cuts him at the end of the year or just gives him another 1 year deal
As i said many times all the talent but not the will to do the work when not at the club

Agree with this one, I think a lot are missing the point
It’s not about the fitness it’s about his lack of commitment and attitude

It’s no secret he would be on thin ice, he would know better than anyone yet he has the arrogance to rock up to pre season underdone and think it will be all good

 

[DoItForCaptBlood]

Agree with this one, I think a lot are missing the point
It’s not about the fitness it’s about his lack of commitment and attitude

It’s no secret he would be on thin ice, he would know better than anyone yet he has the arrogance to rock up to pre season underdone and think it will be all good

But also understand that's why he is on a 1 year deal. He may be happy with that. Happy with the money he is getting too (even though he could get alot more!).

There is a good chance though he builds over summer and is ready r1 and becomes a regular, selected in the starting 18 week in, week out. Then as we get towards the end of the year, the club has a decision on that next contract. If the ONLY issue with him is the risk he comes back after the break again unfit, I think th club will take that and sign him for multiple years. (Well, perhaps two!)

 

[boxxie2022]

I have not ever said he wont be ready in 4 months time and that is not the dispute here
Its his attitude to be able to conform to the requirements of the club and come back in good physical shape and ready to go when all the other players are

he is lazy and doesnt do the work required when away from the club and i would bet my bottom dollar the club is pissed off specially after only giving him a 1 year deal with strict rules attached.

Would not surprise me at all if the club cuts him at the end of the year or just gives him another 1 year deal
As i said many times all the talent but not the will to do the work when not at the club

maybe he just doesnt like running. Many players are like that. Hate running laps but jam a footy in the middle and make him chase it they are different.
Dane Swan hated running and often turned up day 1 underdone. But then in the team environment worked his way to full fitness.
too much is being made of this. Once again you're trying to dictate what will happen at contract time based on a few run throughs.
Like i said yesterday, if he comes out and performs no one will give a shit about him blowing up in November. In saying that he's certainly not unfit by the pics and videos ive seen

 

[Grrr]

I have not ever said he wont be ready in 4 months time and that is not the dispute here
Its his attitude to be able to conform to the requirements of the club and come back in good physical shape and ready to go when all the other players are

he is lazy and doesnt do the work required when away from the club and i would bet my bottom dollar the club is pissed off specially after only giving him a 1 year deal with strict rules attached.

Would not surprise me at all if the club cuts him at the end of the year or just gives him another 1 year deal
As i said many times all the talent but not the will to do the work when not at the club

And everyone is in agreement. Of course the club is not happy. How bad his condition, enough for the club to comment on. Someone who watch the training said he trained well enough until he hit a wall. So maybe not that bad. But obviously you all need to be in it together, that is how footy clubs work. Again he has a bit to make up to get his status back.

But plenty of time to rectify that. Reckon it is being blown out of proportion. Mentioned by the club once, talked about for days and probably weeks afterwards.
If Stack wants to rectify and according to the track watcher he is doing extra to catch up, then there is probably not all that much in it.

 

[Muddiemoose]

But also understand that's why he is on a 1 year deal. He may be happy with that. Happy with the money he is getting too (even though he could get alot more!).

There is a good chance though he builds over summer and is ready r1 and becomes a regular, selected in the starting 18 week in, week out. Then as we get towards the end of the year, the club has a decision on that next contract. If the ONLY issue with him is the risk he comes back after the break again unfit, I think th club will take that and sign him for multiple years. (Well, perhaps two!)

I could see the club going the other way

If he wants to act like a part time footballer despite knowing he’s on thin ice the club may just cut ties because he clearly isn’t learning from mistakes or even trying make up for them by being in the best condition he could be

If he’s content with that so be it, Go play in a country league earning a grand a game under the table

 

[Grrr]

Agree with this one, I think a lot are missing the point
It’s not about the fitness it’s about his lack of commitment and attitude

It’s no secret he would be on thin ice, he would know better than anyone yet he has the arrogance to rock up to pre season underdone and think it will be all good

Agree with you, not missing the point. He is on thin ice, but has a fair bit of time to rectify that if he wants it. Smacks of arrogance as you say, may or may not be, we don't know it all.

 

[boxxie2022]

Agree with you, not missing the point. He is on thin ice, but has a fair bit of time to rectify that if he wants it. Smacks of arrogance as you say, may or may not be, we don't know it all.

More immaturity then arrogance.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Footy is prolly what Stacky can easily do...making it his sole focus may be not what he can do easily...fecked if I know...
Issue maybe for Stacky is he prolly gets paid well for playing with RFC...but prolly has too many other distracting interests that don't pay well...being a rapper!
Reckon all eyes are on RFC and watching how they handle/nurture such a volatile footy talent in SS...
Just take it a day at a time...at least SS is doing Pre-season...who knows what's going to happen with him...I reckon even SS doesn't know that hisself!
Plays in 2022 GF...we will all be singing his praises...

 

[boxxie2022]

Footy is prolly what Stacky can easily do...making it his sole focus may be not what he can do easily...fecked if I know...
Issue maybe for Stacky is he prolly gets paid well for playing with RFC...but prolly has too many other distracting interests that don't pay well...being a rapper!
Reckon all eyes are on RFC and watching how they handle/nurture such a volatile footy talent in SS...
Just take it a day at a time...at least SS is doing Pre-season...who knows what's going to happen with him...I reckon even SS doesn't know that hisself!
Plays in 2022 GF...we will all be singing his praises...

was that a post or a rap?

 

[Grrr]

More immaturity then arrogance.

Maybe a bit of both.