44 years as Hawks

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TheBrownDog
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List strength, age profile, finals results, percentage etc etc. also note seven year periods between high points (excluding the lost years 93-96)

Player colour code dark green = legend. Light green = hall of fame (club) Blue= achieve premiership etc
Orange significant other player
'premierships' another boob. levels indicate premiers, runners up and prelim finalists

Average age graph lagging the success graph slightly
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Steven Tyler

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List strength, age profile, finals results, percentage etc etc. also note seven year periods between high points (excluding the lost years 93-96)

Player colour code dark green = legend. Light green = hall of fame (club) Blue= achieve premiership etc
Orange significant other player
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Darren Jarman and Ben Allan are Premiership players

They should be in blue

Tom Mitchell should be in orange
 

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TheBrownDog
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Dingley aside, going forward the club wont go into crisis like after the 1991 flag, but its a pretty graphic display of how the list went bad.
Back then they were moving from the zones era to the pure (????)zone and salary cap era. clearly the eighties team would have had major salary cap issues today
Going forward moving from the pure draft era to the FA, Live trading and F/F and academy bids era, can that list strength be achieved? 70s into 80s went OK - but major non victorian recruiting.

Is GWS and Gold Coast todays equivalent?
 

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TheBrownDog
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Nice work Pess

It does highlight how I feel about finishing eighth to twelfth and the twilight zone that the draft and recruitment strategist are having to deal with.
Does a deeper low take you higher? Im strongly detecting roughly 7 year cycles here, but from the early nineties to 2010 the prevalence of the draft and salary cap ruled and phrases like ‘he wont be in your next premiership ruled’
Although even then, just before 2010 expansion and free agency, tradin had dried up to almost nothing.

We are in a different era now with free agency and clubs like hawthorn getting creative when gold coast and GWS sucking up all the early picks the previous thinking was based on

For hawthorn, the low points in 70s and 80s werent low down the ladder at all, will that return?

Btw I theorise the seven year cycle must have to do with average career length
 

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TheBrownDog
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I am LOVING those 22 premierships.
Nearly premierships. 2001 was a prelim and probabl as far as that side with its talent could go. Over achieved really.
Its still a high point in a cycle, and followed plenty of early draft picks
2004 saw a massive re evaluation and a steady build, using talent drafted in 2001, to achieve a premiership in 2008

Rolling forward to 2015, seven years later, already drafting for the future and beginning to turn over the list in 2016
 

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TheBrownDog
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Found a bit more time. Since Clarko has been with us, at least 2x eighteen players have been recruited.

Heres the A team, the B team. an interchange and the ones clarko retained for 2008 premiership

20 of the 56 were trades or mature pick ups

A Grade recruited by ACOthers recruited by AC
StrattonLakeBurgoynefbSicilyFrawleyGilham
GuerraGibsonBirchallhbDuryeaO'BrienSuckling
SmithLewisHillcWhitecrossO'MearaYoung
RioliFranklinGunstonhfDewSchoenmakersWingard
BruestRougheadPuopoloffHardwickM LewisNash
HaleT MitchellSheilsrMcEvoyWorpelW Langford
Pre Alistair ClarksonInterchange
HodgeS MitchellCrawfordCeglarImpeyScrimshaw
SewellVandenburgWilliamsSpangherHendersonScully
BrownCroadLadsonHanrahanBaileySimpkin
OsborneBatemanCampbellHoweCousinsMorrison
 

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