Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 3

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Sad. No insight.
The total downgrading of the USA in the international arena.
Due to a President who has no idea how to act.No idea on diplomacy.
No idea really.

What we permit we allow.


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Why is that a bad thing?

Unless you're American, Trump so far is proving to be a useful idiot towards a world we should embrace.

Regional issues are now being resolved by regional powers who no longer feel they must negotiate as a puppet state of the the US. Since Trump's election win the US has disengaged from most of the world.

Unfortunately we're one of the countries yet to realise the benefits of this new found independence but that's hardly surprising.
 

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I haven’t got a clue what you’re on about

But it’s laughable that you tried to link that to racisim.
You’re conversing with someone who scours the internet, mostly The Daily Mail, for dark-skinned/Muslim crime in Europe then posts it up on the Krazy Korner and shouts at the moon. I wouldn’t bother trying to figure out what is trying to be said.
 

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You’re conversing with someone who scours the internet, mostly The Daily Mail, for dark-skinned/Muslim crime in Europe then posts it up on the Krazy Korner and shouts at the moon. I wouldn’t bother trying to figure out what is trying to be said.
Even if I tried I wouldn’t get anywhere, lol making fun of tanning is racism.

My sides hurts from the laughter
 

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Why is that a bad thing?

Unless you're American, Trump so far is proving to be a useful idiot towards a world we should embrace.

Regional issues are now being resolved by regional powers who no longer feel they must negotiate as a puppet state of the the US. Since Trump's election win the US has disengaged from most of the world.

Unfortunately we're one of the countries yet to realise the benefits of this new found independence but that's hardly surprising.
I read an article about how Canada was doing this about six months ago, along with other plans for them to avoid dealing with DC, it was an interesting read.
 

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Why is that a bad thing?

Unless you're American, Trump so far is proving to be a useful idiot towards a world we should embrace.

Regional issues are now being resolved by regional powers who no longer feel they must negotiate as a puppet state of the the US. Since Trump's election win the US has disengaged from most of the world.

Unfortunately we're one of the countries yet to realise the benefits of this new found independence but that's hardly surprising.
Pretty sure the U.S guarantees our international trade routes security so we won't be distancing ourselves anytime soon.
 

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I didn't say he knew anything about economics, just saying what he has advocated for on the economic front is not your typical neo con trickle down stuff that Republicans (including the current lot) are usually famous for. His motivations for protectionism may have racist undertones, but I'm a supporter of a certain level of protectionism in trade policy.

Comparative advantage is all well and good but if it isn't passed onto the consumer (and comes at the expense of lower wages, conditions and employment for the lower classes) then I struggle to see the benefits.

Probably the biggest reason for Trump's rise was his anti-TPP stance. Globalization and free trade has left a lot of people behind in middle America. Even if you disagree on trade and borders with him. The rest of his economic ideology wasn't too bad.

However, obviously on race and other issues he was deplorable (and probably the main agitator behind rescinding DACA).
Comparitive advantage is passed on to the consumer as it results in lower prices in both countries for a given consumption bundle compared to a situation where trade is banned. Just the same as trade does between individuals within borders.

Im not saying everything with the current global trade agenda is good. The Pacific trade agreement was a complete dud pretending to be solely a trade agreement when its primary role was to increase the power of corporations and reduce the power of governments. However, the fact remains that pure trade agreements, all else equal, are good for both parties and especially for consumers.

I do agree that stopping some of the excess of the neo con agenda is a very good thing for society and the economy. I dont think Bannon advocates good ways to do it though.
 

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I read an article about how Canada was doing this about six months ago, along with other plans for them to avoid dealing with DC, it was an interesting read.
If you're bored, try watching the reaction Nikki Haley gets from the security council for trying to make political mileage out of the Iran protests. Even allies like France call Trump out for exploiting this situation for personal gain.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?439375-1/un-security-council-holds-meeting-iran-protests

Three more years of Trump and the US will almost be as irrelevant to the international community as we became post John Howard.

Ok, that's a stretch but in Trump's case the reduction in influence is historic. I can't think of a leader who has taken a world power backwards so dramatically without losing a war. Give him time I guess. :)
 

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If you're bored, try watching the reaction Nikki Haley gets from the security council for trying to make political mileage out of the Iran protests. Even allies like France call Trump out for exploiting this situation for personal gain.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?439375-1/un-security-council-holds-meeting-iran-protests

Three more years of Trump and the US will almost be as irrelevant to the international community as we became post John Howard.

Ok, that's a stretch but in Trump's case the reduction in influence is historic. I can't think of a leader who has taken a world power backwards so dramatically without losing a war. Give him time I guess. :)
The milky bar kid was an embarrassment
 

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There were riots 2 days after the election,that got more violent as inauguration day approached
Then there was the vandalism and violence on the day itself
People openly calling for assassination before Trump took office
They'll vote him back in. Trump is a cartoon, a caricature monster straight out of Gotham City. They can't do without him. Very Jungian.
 

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If you're bored, try watching the reaction Nikki Haley gets from the security council for trying to make political mileage out of the Iran protests. Even allies like France call Trump out for exploiting this situation for personal gain.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?439375-1/un-security-council-holds-meeting-iran-protests

Three more years of Trump and the US will almost be as irrelevant to the international community as we became post John Howard.

Ok, that's a stretch but in Trump's case the reduction in influence is historic. I can't think of a leader who has taken a world power backwards so dramatically without losing a war. Give him time I guess. :)

IMO we won’t have to wait that long.The damage is glaring now.....
Tick tick....



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I'm starting to think this book is deliberate 4D chess to make anti-Trumpers look bad?
so what. That is a completely meaningless sentence. Whether its true or false does nothing to change anyones view of Trump.
To be clear: Every. Single. Time. someone has said '4D Chess', it has been untrue.

And for FK's sake, he can call it '5D Chess' because Trump-backer Gavin McInness was fooled by people making up (what should have been obviously fake) a story about Trump demanding he watch fighting gorillas...
Why is that a bad thing?

Unless you're American, Trump so far is proving to be a useful idiot towards a world we should embrace.

Regional issues are now being resolved by regional powers who no longer feel they must negotiate as a puppet state of the the US. Since Trump's election win the US has disengaged from most of the world.

Unfortunately we're one of the countries yet to realise the benefits of this new found independence but that's hardly surprising.
Any evidence for this claim? I suspect it is rubbish. We are not a puppet state, either. The US are concerned by how close we are to China.
 

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They'll vote him back in. Trump is a cartoon, a caricature monster straight out of Gotham City. They can't do without him. Very Jungian.
That’s quite possible but what does it say about the USA?
Has a sufficient amount of the population become brain dead from endless reality TV? Have they been Jerry Springered into mindless zombies?
Lightning surely can’t strike twice?
If they accept this standard of leadership again the Country is well and truly Angus and Cooted
 

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That’s quite possible but what does it say about the USA?
Has a sufficient amount of the population become brain dead from endless reality TV? Have they been Jerry Springered into mindless zombies?
Lightning surely can’t strike twice?
If they accept this standard of leadership again the Country is well and truly Angus and Cooted
I honestly think it’s the poor & uneducated population hitting back at the establishment. They believe things can’t get worse for them and had the smallest naive hope that Trump was going to fight for them and shake things up :oops:

Trump was just saying the right things at the right time, it was a perfect storm and I doubt he will be voted in again ( if he isn’t impeached/jailed before the next election)
 

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We export everything important by sea and our navy isn't quite up there with the big boys. Having the #1 maritime power on our side is the ultimate deterrant. First it was the British now it's the U.S. Very surprised if we pivot away.
That's a very 20th century view on trade & regional security.

It's cute that people still believe that the Americans somehow act benevolently towards countries like Australia. New Zealand worked out 30 years you could give the USA the middle finger and their interests will still align with your security. Most Australians still naively believe the fantasy that we need to act like a sycophant to repay the Americans for their self-interest. Internationally we are mocked for it. We can thank Howard and his bromance with Bush for that.

We should act in our self interest and we have a strong mutual interest with all ASEAN countries to ensure shipping lanes are secure. In fact the only current threat to that is the USA. China's investment in protecting their shipping lanes poses no threat to us. Americas reaction to it does.
 
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That's a very 20th century view on trade & regional security.

It's cute that people still believe that the Americans somehow act benevolently towards countries like Australia. New Zealand worked out 30 years you could give the USA the middle finger and their interests will still align with your security. Most Australians still naively believe the fantasy that we need to act like a sycophant to repay the Americans for their self-interest. Internationally we are mocked for it. We can thank Howard and his bromance with Bush for that.

We should act in our self interest and we have a strong mutual interest with all ASEAN countries to ensure shipping lanes are secure. In fact the only current threat to that is the USA. China's investment in protecting their shipping lanes poses no threat to us. Americas reaction to is does.
So China building artificial islands to use as command posts for their navy aren't a threat, but the US is for not liking them doing that? I suspect you are a bit biased.

I honestly think it’s the poor & uneducated population hitting back at the establishment. They believe things can’t get worse for them and had the smallest naive hope that Trump was going to fight for them and shake things up :oops:

Trump was just saying the right things at the right time, it was a perfect storm and I doubt he will be voted in again ( if he isn’t impeached/jailed before the next election)
In a sense it was, but don't forget that they're just the swing contingent, you still had a whole bunch of Republicans vote for him despite him being clearly incompetent.

I'd say he got 30% simply for being a Republican, another 10% for being anti-immigrant, 5% who wanted to 'stick it to the system' (Obama voters who switched) and the remainder just people who got sucked in by spin and didn't know better.
 

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Any evidence for this claim? I suspect it is rubbish.
The US aren't appointing diplomats to foreign postings and are filling positions as political repayment junkets.

Most of their closest allies don't want the president to visit.

Every geopolitical battle the USA are involved in they are losing. No support for their trade "policies", no support for their punitive actions in support of Israel, no support for their energy or global warming positions . . . on just about every issue they are isolated in their support. Cowards like our government will shirk criticism but we aint rushing out in support either (nor do we have an ambassador to call)

We are not a puppet state, either. The US are concerned by how close we are to China.
If we aren't a puppet state I'd like to see what one looks like.

The US are concerned by our economic dependence on China. The Chinese influence in our politics is negligent.
 

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So China building artificial islands to use as command posts for their navy aren't a threat, but the US is for not liking them doing that? I suspect you are a bit biased.
Ironic.

Just a question, why would the Chinese ever attack ships full of raw materials for China or full of Chinese exports bound for Australia? Sure they might want to target shipping to Japan and South Korea in the unlikely event those two are ever stupid enough to get into a conflict with the Chinese but that would be the least of our problems in that scenario.

Also, wouldn't they just cut off trade and cripple us economically? Hell they don't even need a military conflict to do that.

Worrying about the threat the Chinese could pose to us is literally worrying about the gate after the horse has bolted. They already have us by the nuts.
 

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The US aren't appointing diplomats to foreign postings and are filling positions as political repayment junkets.

Most of their closest allies don't want the president to visit.
Dickstain Donald was the first president since Carter to not visit Canada in their first year in office.
 
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