Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 3

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No, but I asked you why a 7 year old in May would think Trump's a liar and somehow your logic leads you to referencing a Dec '17 article ... and you wonder why I question your logic and ability to be rational.
You really are stupid...

One last time: Article shows Trump averages six lies per day since inauguration, people throughout the world know him to be a liar, fair chance child heard his parents or adults discussing Trump being a liar.

Is that hard to comprehend? I don't think it is...
 
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Again, I did not say what you claimed I said. This is typical of anti-Trumpers. I make a statement which can be misinterpreted. Anti-Trumpers pick an interpretation of their choice and when they are corrected, they still try to claim that you said something you didn't.
You worded your post poorly and it's my fault for reading it in the most plausible way, then my fault again for telling you to watch your sentence structure.

You do possess a certain Trump quality with your inability to see any blame from yourself.
 

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Sorry, you've missed my meaning. Where has international policy changed from when the US had someone competent in charge?
Surely you jest?

We could start with Iran and Cuba.

Climate change policy is much the same.
Again, surely you jest?

At the very least there has been a change in the preparedness of the USA to act as a leader on the issue, even if domestically there is political opposition. Now that opposition is the leadership (or lack of it).

The main thing that changed is America withdrawing from the TPP, so that's obviously the US still having influence, but additionally plenty of countries are still going ahead with a new agreement. I think the US may have hinted at altering energy policy, but again, that's due to Trump-Russia. So I'm not seeing much evidence for your claim.
If not showing leadership is influence then Australia must be one of the most influential countries on the planet!

In regards to energy policy it's chalk and cheese. Under the previous administration the plan was to replace as much domestic consumption as possible with renewables so the USA could maximise it's returns from domestic production especially from shale. Exports were targeted to markets that could hurt Russian production too (like East Europe for example where the US could also guarantee supply regardless of events in the ME) so there was also a strategic component.

Now US energy policy is over-supply. Flood the domestic & international market for short turn gain while you can.

You can debate the merits of both policies but you can't argue they are the same. They aren't.

The idea that all these countries are in thrall to the US is a lie. The USA, especially under the Republicans, have many 'priorities' that aren't supported. You mention Israel? Ever looked at how UN votes go on Israel? It's often just the US and Israel. Maybe a few times countries like Australia have joined for reasons you could call sycophancy. Is that what you're actually trying to say here? You are focussed primarily on Israel when talking about global affairs?
WTF? I didn't mention anything about what Israel is doing.

I mentioned the punitive actions the US is taking to appeal to a domestic political audience (like moving their embassy). FMD, the paranoia around Israel is sickening.

The reason I mentioned this was the same reason I mentioned the security council reaction to the Iranian protests - Trump blatantly dicking over the international community for purely domestic, partisan politics.

Nothing to do with Israel, but like all apologists, paranoia about it is your go to.
 

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Full credit to DT and the WH on following through on this Inauguration promise.

On Australia disengaging I read somewhere we are actually playing no side politics at the moment. ie on the China deals we are remaining silent and not choosing sides on most of the US_China issues.

I think thats a good thing
I thought the promise was that Trump was the world's best negotiator?

You need to engage to negotiate.

In regards to us we're still all the way with DJT. We have outsourced our foreign policy to yet another incompetent moron.
 

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Are you Sheeple aware of the fact that it is a current plan to try to impeach Trump on grounds of his mental capacity.
I say current plan, because, this was never really an issue until the womanising failed, the racism failed, the Russia collusion failed, so the anti-Trump machine moves to the next phase and that is to attack his mental capacity to lead.
And yet you Sheeple just move on with whatever the current anti-Trump trend is.
I was hearing about this move to attack his mental health well over a month ago ... and here are all you Sheeple happily in line.
What will be your next anti-Trump trendy hate after this one fails?
Thank you, I was waiting for someone to use the word 'Sheeple', just so I could post this...

 

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I thought the promise was that Trump was the world's best negotiator?

You need to engage to negotiate.

In regards to us we're still all the way with DJT. We have outsourced our foreign policy to yet another incompetent moron.
I recall it to be an Isolationist America theme but I got it wrong , it was more about an idea of America First

The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans.
For many decades, we’ve enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry;
Subsidized the armies of other countries while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military;
We’ve defended other nation’s borders while refusing to defend our own;
And spent trillions of dollars overseas while America’s infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay.

We’ve made other countries rich while the wealth, strength, and confidence of our country has disappeared over the horizon.
One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions upon millions of American workers left behind.
The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed across the entire world.
But that is the past. And now we are looking only to the future.

We assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power.
From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land.
From this moment on, it’s going to be America First.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families
.

We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs. Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength.
I will fight for you with every breath in my body – and I will never, ever let you down.
America will start winning again, winning like never before.
We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders. We will bring back our wealth. And we will bring back our dreams.

We will build new roads, and highways, and bridges, and airports, and tunnels, and railways all across our wonderful nation.
We will get our people off of welfare and back to work – rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor.
We will follow two simple rules: Buy American and Hire American.
We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world – but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.

We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to follow.
We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones
– and unite the civilized world against Radical Islamic Terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.
At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.
 

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I've asked Trump supporters this before but I never get an answer.

Could one of you please direct me to something Trump has said or written that might convince someone of this underlying intelligence?

An article, a speech, hell I'd be happy with a paragraph. Something, anything, that might convince a skeptic he's actually not as dimwitted as his tweets would have us believe.
 

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I recall it to be an Isolationist America theme but I got it wrong , it was more about an idea of America First

The oath of office I take today is an oath of allegiance to all Americans.
For many decades, we’ve enriched foreign industry at the expense of American industry;
Subsidized the armies of other countries while allowing for the very sad depletion of our military;
We’ve defended other nation’s borders while refusing to defend our own;
And spent trillions of dollars overseas while America’s infrastructure has fallen into disrepair and decay.

We’ve made other countries rich while the wealth, strength, and confidence of our country has disappeared over the horizon.
One by one, the factories shuttered and left our shores, with not even a thought about the millions upon millions of American workers left behind.
The wealth of our middle class has been ripped from their homes and then redistributed across the entire world.
But that is the past. And now we are looking only to the future.

We assembled here today are issuing a new decree to be heard in every city, in every foreign capital, and in every hall of power.
From this day forward, a new vision will govern our land.
From this moment on, it’s going to be America First.
Every decision on trade, on taxes, on immigration, on foreign affairs, will be made to benefit American workers and American families
.

We must protect our borders from the ravages of other countries making our products, stealing our companies, and destroying our jobs. Protection will lead to great prosperity and strength.
I will fight for you with every breath in my body – and I will never, ever let you down.
America will start winning again, winning like never before.
We will bring back our jobs. We will bring back our borders. We will bring back our wealth. And we will bring back our dreams.

We will build new roads, and highways, and bridges, and airports, and tunnels, and railways all across our wonderful nation.
We will get our people off of welfare and back to work – rebuilding our country with American hands and American labor.
We will follow two simple rules: Buy American and Hire American.
We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world – but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.

We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example for everyone to follow.
We will reinforce old alliances and form new ones
– and unite the civilized world against Radical Islamic Terrorism, which we will eradicate completely from the face of the Earth.
At the bedrock of our politics will be a total allegiance to the United States of America, and through our loyalty to our country, we will rediscover our loyalty to each other.
That's one of the myths Trumpians swallowed before Trump was a candidate.

America has always been America first.
 

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I've asked Trump supporters this before but I never get an answer.

Could one of you please direct me to something Trump has said or written that might convince someone of this underlying intelligence?

An article, a speech, hell I'd be happy with a paragraph. Something, anything, that might convince a skeptic he's actually not as dimwitted as his tweets would have us believe.
 

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For the Trumpian it's not about what Donald does or even what he says most of the time. The pleasure isn't derived from winning or policy implementation, the pleasure is derived from the perception of pain to those they detest.

It's not ideological - its pathological.

There is no debate when that is your motivation. That's why they don't debate & post in the manner they do.
 

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On his tweet that he won on the “first try”... and accounts in the book that he doesn’t recognise old friends, did he just confirm that his memory is really failing?
He doesn’t recall running for 2000 election?
 

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I've asked Trump supporters this before but I never get an answer.

Could one of you please direct me to something Trump has said or written that might convince someone of this underlying intelligence?

An article, a speech, hell I'd be happy with a paragraph. Something, anything, that might convince a skeptic he's actually not as dimwitted as his tweets would have us believe.
Best I could find from the super genius of all time ;)
 

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Just another lie and unfulfilled campaign promise.
Actually his promise was that he would "look into her situation", and there are currently separate investigations into both Hillarys emails and the Clinton foundation. Once construction on the wall begins, that will be just about every promise fulfilled.
 

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Actually his promise was that he would "look into her situation", and there are currently separate investigations into both Hillarys emails and the Clinton foundation. Once construction on the wall begins, that will be just about every promise fulfilled.
That audit on his tax returns must be complete by now . . . surely?
 

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so when trump constantly says he is the best and greatest at everything you dont call that lying? what exactly do you call that?
He calls it “insignificant”.
I believe Larry wants a death count to elevate a Trump lie to “significant”.
We never have got clarification of what Larry deems to be significant but that’s my guess.
 
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