Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 4 (cont in pt 5)

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I'm at work, so can't go into heaps of detail, but look up Nixon's "Southern Strategy". Coupled with the infighting going on in the Dems at the time it proved to be the moment the parties flipped.
Oh, I understand your inference, but to say that means it is "as much Johnson's fault" is where I was querying you (that's what I meant with my moral position stated in the brackets). I also assumed you meant "the big switch" in reference to Reagan's switch away from bigger government (unless you simply mean Nixon winning the Presidential race?), and the fact Democrats supported Civil Rights does not mean they are at 'fault' for what became the Nixon narrative that created the political conditions for Reagan's economic changes.

"States' Rights" is said to have been the euphamism for the south's dislike of Federal laws that stopped them from segregating, but I see that angle as complementary to Nixon's more successful general-paranoia approach, rather than it being the same thing. Nixon was all about the idea that the 'elites' who think they're smarter than you. It tied into hippies/communists/minorities, in the same way we see that happening today. Goldwater was smashed in his Presidential run, and then Wallace won most of the States Goldwater won with a similar explicit anti-Civil Rights agenda. Similarly Joe McCarthy had been around earlier going on about Communists and homosexuals, but it wasn't a big vote swinger. Nixon was effective because he dog-whistled about those things, while sounding 'moderate' otherwise. Like John Howard really. Being anti-Civil Rights was not that popular (and it's worth noting that 'political correctness' wasn't around then like it is today, even though right-wingers like to pretend 'PC culture' is the reason their ideas aren't more popular).
 

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Now Sinclair are going into damage control that no one is allowed to talk to the media....yet they are the media.

This really does show that Trump is a convenient patsy for the establishment, find a guy that blames immigrants for all the countries problems and comes across as a genuine solver of those problems and support him from the shadows into getting what you want (money and power).

Afterall Hitler didn't write Mein Kampf, he just told his thoughts and ideology to someone else who then translated it to paper. Then his name was put to the book because he was the genuine sounding mouthpiece who got the populace to rally behind the cause (ridding the country of the Jewish immigrants).

The parallel's are amazing.
I don't deny he is being a patsy, but Hitler ? Cmon , were you calling John Howard Hitler ? He lied shockingly and knowingly about asylum seekers! Immigrants have been vilified for likely Millenia probably even since before history. Even animals are territorial! I know hyperbole is tempting but it's not helpful. If it was he'd be gone by now.

" Lose your guns, (the allowance for which designed to protect against possible government tyranny) but be very afraid for our president is "LITERALLY HITLER"! Is the messaging I read from lots of political media these days. It's so contradictory. I hope you can feel the cognitive dissonance of that messaging! Obviously it's terrible so much gun crime is happening in the US but it's surely mostly in the mentality of the people more than the available weapons. They need conflict resolution or something, whole nation needs therapy.
 

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I don't deny he is being a patsy, but Hitler ? Cmon , were you calling John Howard Hitler ? He lied shockingly and knowingly about asylum seekers! Immigrants have been vilified for likely Millenia probably even since before history. Even animals are territorial! I know hyperbole is tempting but it's not helpful. If it was he'd be gone by now.

" Lose your guns, (the allowance for which designed to protect against possible government tyranny) but be very afraid for our president is "LITERALLY HITLER"! Is the messaging I read from lots of political media these days. It's so contradictory. I hope you can feel the cognitive dissonance of that messaging! Obviously it's terrible so much gun crime is happening in the US but it's surely mostly in the mentality of the people more than the available weapons. They need conflict resolution or something, whole nation needs therapy.
Hitler potentially didn't look directly at an eclipse also - comparison doesn't hold. But seriously, the Hitler comparisons are just an extremity used in society when someone doesn't agree and seeks to get the strongest reaction.
 

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I don't deny he is being a patsy, but Hitler ? Cmon , were you calling John Howard Hitler ? He lied shockingly and knowingly about asylum seekers! Immigrants have been vilified for likely Millenia probably even since before history. Even animals are territorial! I know hyperbole is tempting but it's not helpful. If it was he'd be gone by now.

" Lose your guns, (the allowance for which designed to protect against possible government tyranny) but be very afraid for our president is "LITERALLY HITLER"! Is the messaging I read from lots of political media these days. It's so contradictory. I hope you can feel the cognitive dissonance of that messaging! Obviously it's terrible so much gun crime is happening in the US but it's surely mostly in the mentality of the people more than the available weapons. They need conflict resolution or something, whole nation needs therapy.
My comparison is not about the genocidal nature of Hitler although Trump certainly didn't seem to mind one of his acolytes mowing down that poor girl in Charlottesville so maybe he does show a slight leaning towards murder and mayhem.

It was more about using immigrants as a reason to distract from the real problem American society faces just like Germany had back then.
 

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Hate crime in America is up to over 50% now, people who slaughter good innocent citizens are now being lauded by that freakshow in the oval office.
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"There are good people on both sides", Remember that quote after Charlottesville? I'm betting that wouldn't have been John Howards reaction to that mayhem. But Trump on the other hand is quite happy to see this girl murdered.

The parallels are there but because there are too many checks and balances in place now for the holocaust to be repeated.

Take Trump back to Germany in the 1930's and put him in place of Hitler and yes, I can see history being repeated.

Look at his rallies. Sicko's!!!
 
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Hate crime in America is up to over 50% now, people who slaughter good innocent citizens are now being lauded by that freakshow in the oval office.
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"There are good people on both sides", Remember that quote after Charlottesville? I'm betting that wouldn't have been John Howards reaction to that mayhem. But Trump on the other hand is quite happy to see this girl murdered.

The parallels are there but because there are too many checks and balances in place now for the holocaust to be repeated.

Take Trump back to Germany in the 1930's and put him in place of Hitler and yes, I can see history being repeated.

Look at his rallies. Sicko's!!!
You don't think there were good and bad people on both sides?
 

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You don't think there were good and bad people on both sides?
There were no good people on the side of the tiki torches and the other side had people willing to physically fight against nazi's (who would've thought huh)?

But you don't even address your thoughts on Heather Heyer (that was her name) just like your glorious false demagogue that is your avatar.

The hatred in your heart must be overwhelming sometimes.
 

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Hate crime in America is up to over 50% now, people who slaughter good innocent citizens are now being lauded by that freakshow in the oval office.
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"There are good people on both sides", Remember that quote after Charlottesville? I'm betting that wouldn't have been John Howards reaction to that mayhem. But Trump on the other hand is quite happy to see this girl murdered.

The parallels are there but because there are too many checks and balances in place now for the holocaust to be repeated.

Take Trump back to Germany in the 1930's and put him in place of Hitler and yes, I can see history being repeated.

Look at his rallies. Sicko's!!!
No we can just destroy the entire planet with the push of a button.

Ironically, it is precisely your kind of talk the Nazis used to rally their cause.

Now, what's the chance your a History major?
 

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Trumpy boy is going to plunge his great country into a recession pit that even Bush would be proud of.

Make America Broke Again!
4D chess!!!! They go broke , he blames Obama, then promises to Make America Great Again

4 more years!!
 

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My comparison is not about the genocidal nature of Hitler although Trump certainly didn't seem to mind one of his acolytes mowing down that poor girl in Charlottesville so maybe he does show a slight leaning towards murder and mayhem.

It was more about using immigrants as a reason to distract from the real problem American society faces just like Germany had back then.
Again that was a bad thing to happen but I think he did the right, less divisive thing by not taking sides. I've watched the video, and the crowd that gets hit is attacking the car before and after with baseball bat s and other weapons, not exactly a peaceful protest. People can panic when threatened.
Anyhow let's see how John Howard reacted to the Cronulla riots, a somewhat similar kind of event.
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``I believe yesterday's behaviour was completely unacceptable but I'm not going to put a general tag (of) racism on the Australian community.

``I think it's a term that is flung around sometimes carelessly and I'm simply not going to do so.''

Mr Howard also dismissed any suggestion his government's warnings about home-grown terrorists had fuelled the rampage."

https://www.smh.com.au/news/national/pm-refuses-to-use-racist-tag/2005/12/12/1134235985480.html
Howard was more of a media darling than trump and probably wasn't hound too much about it. However he also appears to take an apologist type position towards the nationalist side.
 
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