Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 4 (cont in pt 5)

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Just as in this thread, there were good people on both sides at Charlottesville. What is controversial about this quote?

I'm not referring to the "blood and soil" types, but there were plenty there from all walks of life who were innocently opposed to the statues removal.

I hear the confederate flag is considered a hate symbol... by that logic, the Democrat logo is an even worse hate symbol. #KKK
 

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Just as in this thread, there were good people on both sides at Charlottesville. What is controversial about this quote?

I'm not referring to the "blood and soil" types, but there were plenty there from all walks of life who were innocently opposed to the statues removal.
There were also some on both sides armed and looking for violence

Including a certain college professor that bragged about it
 

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Just as in this thread, there were good people on both sides at Charlottesville. What is controversial about this quote?

I'm not referring to the "blood and soil" types, but there were plenty there from all walks of life who were innocently opposed to the statues removal.

I hear the confederate flag is considered a hate symbol... by that logic, the Democrat logo is an even worse hate symbol. #KKK
Man, it was a joke.

If you want to defend a comment even the people around Trump thought was at best stupid, has been debated to death and most people concluding at best was stupid, then be my guest to been seen as stupid.

That's what you do ...
 

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Funny thing that post of mine you are quoting was deleted. Wonder why.... probably hit a nerve with hypocrites like your yourself.
Hit a nerve? :D

I couldn't possibly have a lower opinion of people that will do anything to defend their investment in the world's greatest con-man, so feel free to call me/say what you like. Water off a duck's back.

Frankly when Trumpians aren't amazing me with their stupidity I start to check myself. The agreeable post is rare and frankly when it happens it's a little disconcerting.
 

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So you are ok with China having tarrifs on more things and higher than the US (and Australia)?

You are ok with China being able to buy property but excluding foreign countries from doing same?


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Buying property has nothing to do with the trade war.

didn't comment on the right or wrong if tarrifs simply you can't win a trade war when you're up against a country that has significantly less debt, doesn't have elections where you can lose power for taking you country into the shitter. Good luck at the November elections and in 2020 if you stick with it
 

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Buying property has nothing to do with the trade war.

didn't comment on the right or wrong if tarrifs simply you can't win a trade war when you're up against a country that has significantly less debt, doesn't have elections where you can lose power for taking you country into the shitter. Good luck at the November elections and in 2020 if you stick with it
So you think this trade war with China won't end up well for the the U.S hey H.M,interestiing to see how it ends up or they just both back down at some stage I'm not sure.
 

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Just as in this thread, there were good people on both sides at Charlottesville. What is controversial about this quote?

I'm not referring to the "blood and soil" types, but there were plenty there from all walks of life who were innocently opposed to the statues removal.

I hear the confederate flag is considered a hate symbol... by that logic, the Democrat logo is an even worse hate symbol. #KKK
Ofcourse the confederate flag is a symbol of hate in the year 2018. That's why guys like Richard Spencer and the KKK are so triggered by removing anything to do with the confederacy.

The Robert E Lee statue should be taken down. The heritage not hate argument was stupid considering the statue was erected over 60 years after the Civil War.

Would it makes sense to keep a statue of Goebbels up in Germany that was erected in 2007? Ofcourse not.

It should be taken out of the public square and put in a museum as should anything referencing the confederacy. The guy was literally a brutal slave owner who fought for the right to keep his slaves and saw blacks as inferior that needed disciplining.

I find it hard to make the argument that anyone so triggered to march against its removal wasnt a racist piece of shit (at best they were ignorantly stupid). But ofcourse trust you to play apologetics for far right extremists.
 

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I didn't get to the end of another of your think pieces.

But Ill assume you've called me a nazi because I said you're a racist.
I never said you were a NAZI
Just that psychologically you display the exact same traits as loyal Germans living under NAZI rule.
 
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Hit a nerve? :D

I couldn't possibly have a lower opinion of people that will do anything to defend their investment in the world's greatest con-man, so feel free to call me/say what you like. Water off a duck's back.

Frankly when Trumpians aren't amazing me with their stupidity I start to check myself. The agreeable post is rare and frankly when it happens it's a little disconcerting.
The world's greatest con man was surely the noble peace prize winner OBAMA.
What ever Trump may be I think we can all agree he does not possess Obama's slick persuasive talent.
 

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Ofcourse the confederate flag is a symbol of hate in the year 2018. That's why guys like Richard Spencer and the KKK are so triggered by removing anything to do with the confederacy.

The Robert E Lee statue should be taken down. The heritage not hate argument was stupid considering the statue was erected over 60 years after the Civil War.

Would it makes sense to keep a statue of Goebbels up in Germany that was erected in 2007? Ofcourse not.

It should be taken out of the public square and put in a museum as should anything referencing the confederacy. The guy was literally a brutal slave owner who fought for the right to keep his slaves and saw blacks as inferior that needed disciplining.

I find it hard to make the argument that anyone so triggered to march against its removal wasnt a racist piece of shit (at best they were ignorantly stupid). But ofcourse trust you to play apologetics for far right extremists.
To be consistent, we can no doubt expect you to be ripping Burkhas off women's faces?
 

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The world's greatest con man was surely the noble peace prize winner OBAMA.
What ever Trump may be I think we can all agree he does not possess Obama's slick persuasive talent.
That's a stretch.

Obama was what he promised. If the noble committee were being honest, they'd admit the noble peace prize was awarded solely based on a black man being voted president and nothing based on policy or actions. In the history of the US and Western world in general it was a pretty significant event regardless of what you thought of the bloke's policies or politics. That was all that award was about. There was no "con".

Obama is a centrist career politician. He's a process guy. Pragmatic. You can debate the merits of that but it's ridiculous to suggest he was disingenuous or running a con. No different to someone like Romney on the other side of the spectrum. Sure they don't always tell you what they are thinking but that's considered decision making. No different to CEO's, football coaches or anyone in a position where they can't be 100% honest. Sure they can often disappear up their own arse talking in circles but how often that occurs is a reflection of their suitability for the job.

There's no doubt Obama fell short of expectations in terms of his ability to navigate the opposition in Washington but Trump is struggling more with majorities in both houses. Trump's Congressional successes have really been the success of the Obama opposition in Congress. The Supreme Court seat being a classic example. Staunch Republican opposition kept that seat open. This is a pretty conservative Congress.

Trump on the other hand is a straight up con-man. His entire career has been built on profiting from self-promotion. A con. He's brilliant at it. The problem is that is the very definition of the sort of person you never want in power. His presidency is exactly in line with his mindset when he was flogging steaks, dodgy property deals and phony university degrees. Some people are stupid enough to buy anything if it's attached to enough fame.

No doubt there are plenty of flaws with career, process politicians. But they pale into insignificance to the damage & distraction to any real progress posed by someone with Trump's mindset. He's selling something that he has absolutely no plan on how to deliver. No idea, no intent, like his university "degrees", the very definition of a con.
 

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Maggie5 just found out it's now just under 60 days till the tariffs (supposedly) kick in.
Some are already active

The steel, aluminium us ones are up, the chinese counters (almonds and co) are also active

The sixty days isnt an official clock yet, but the discussion time the usa put on their second wave (the $50b) lot. This is so as to allow time for us local industries to lobby for changes or tweeks - and of course china to beg for a deal. Tbh i dont know clock on the chinese side. They dont consult shit, and as of friday were refusing to negotiate, so i suspect they will just mirror the us date

The $100b us list hasnt even been released yet, and no indicative time mentioned
 

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So you think this trade war with China won't end up well for the the U.S hey H.M,interestiing to see how it ends up or they just both back down at some stage I'm not sure.
It won't end particularly well for either country. China will be able to ride it out better though, given the reasons I stated.

The us will be backing down in no time
 

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Xi doesn't have to worry about trifling matters like being re-elected, or fighting midterms or not owing China a shit ton of money in the first place, America can't win this. I assume Trump's personal fortune is swelling because of this, or one of his cronies are benefitting, it's the only reason I can think of why he's doing it.
 

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Maggie5 just found out it's now just under 60 days till the tariffs (supposedly) kick in.
I don't think China is too worried. All you have to do do is grab a pen and paper and go through your house, garage etc. and write down what isn't made in China.

He may have some success with the intellectual property part, which is a disgrace and Australia and other countries should have done something about a long time ago.
 
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So you clearly can't understand the difference between taking down a monument in the public square and a private citizen's rights?
In Rome there is Colosseum
They fed Christians to Lions in the Colosseum - I expect you would be all for levelling it?
Any public statutes or busts of Roman Emperors should be destroyed
Any statues of Napoleon should be destroyed
Any statues of Winston Churchill who endorse butchery in the colonies and the bombing of civilian Free Cities in Germany should be removed
And Washington named after the racist George Washington should be renamed.
Truman who authorised the unnecessary bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - his statues must be removed
**** the entire USA wiped out 10 million native americans it to should be renamed

Where do I sign
 

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In Rome there is Colosseum
They fed Christians to Lions in the Colosseum - I expect you would be all for levelling it?
Any public statutes or busts of Roman Emperors should be destroyed
Any statues of Napoleon should be destroyed
Any statues of Winston Churchill who endorse butchery in the colonies and the bombing of civilian Free Cities in Germany should be removed
And Washington named after the racist George Washington should be renamed.
Truman who authorised the unnecessary bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - his statues must be removed
**** the entire USA wiped out 10 million native americans it to should be renamed

Where do I sign
Those offensive t shirts with the mass murdering, gay killing Guevara too yeah?
 

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If a statue or monument doesn't have the support of the overwhelming majority of the community then why should it exist in a public place?

Especially when that monument/statue was put there recently only to pander to a political minority.

Monuments should be a rallying point for the community & it's values. They shouldn't be used to intimidate a segment of the population (which is the intent of many of the monuments/statues being discussed).

This is another of these issues where the only people struggling to grasp it are people suffering conservatitis. A slow decaying of the brain where you're unable to see a future while simultaneously seeing an ever increasingly distorted view of the past. This unfortunate condition causes it's suffers to become irrationally anxious as the community in which they live becomes increasingly foreign to them.
 
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That's a stretch.

Obama was what he promised. If the noble committee were being honest, they'd admit the noble peace prize was awarded solely based on a black man being voted president and nothing based on policy or actions. In the history of the US and Western world in general it was a pretty significant event regardless of what you thought of the bloke's policies or politics. That was all that award was about. There was no "con".

Obama is a centrist career politician. He's a process guy. Pragmatic. You can debate the merits of that but it's ridiculous to suggest he was disingenuous or running a con. No different to someone like Romney on the other side of the spectrum. Sure they don't always tell you what they are thinking but that's considered decision making. No different to CEO's, football coaches or anyone in a position where they can't be 100% honest. Sure they can often disappear up their own arse talking in circles but how often that occurs is a reflection of their suitability for the job.

There's no doubt Obama fell short of expectations in terms of his ability to navigate the opposition in Washington but Trump is struggling more with majorities in both houses. Trump's Congressional successes have really been the success of the Obama opposition in Congress. The Supreme Court seat being a classic example. Staunch Republican opposition kept that seat open. This is a pretty conservative Congress.

Trump on the other hand is a straight up con-man. His entire career has been built on profiting from self-promotion. A con. He's brilliant at it. The problem is that is the very definition of the sort of person you never want in power. His presidency is exactly in line with his mindset when he was flogging steaks, dodgy property deals and phony university degrees. Some people are stupid enough to buy anything if it's attached to enough fame.

No doubt there are plenty of flaws with career, process politicians. But they pale into insignificance to the damage & distraction to any real progress posed by someone with Trump's mindset. He's selling something that he has absolutely no plan on how to deliver. No idea, no intent, like his university "degrees", the very definition of a con.
Obama never closed Gitmo, Obama never ended wars but expanded US calumny and abetted in the destruction of entire countries Libya, Syria. Under Obama's leadership we saw the global refugee crisis engulf the world. Under Obama the USA funded a nazi Ukraine revolution. Obama began the insane policy of fracturing relations with Russia. Ensuring the Russia and China will co-operate against the West - thereby increasing the inevitable decline of the USA empire whilst making nuclear war much more likely. Under Obama the number whistleblowers prosecuted surpassed all records. The exit of Snowden and the confinement of Assange occurred under Obama.
Bush's policies created the GFC but Obama oversaw the remedy by implementing the largest theft in history taking from the poor and middle classes to enrich and reward fraud. Under Obama central banks were instructed to experiment printing and creating unlimited sums of money to sustain a zombie financial system
the consequences of which are now irreversible.
Under Obama a mob known as ISIS became a nation and Al qeida became a Friend.

Obama's persuasiveness put the whole world to sleep whilst the worst human instincts ruled. That is a con man.

Trump on the our hand has shed light where there was darkness. There is acrimony but there is discussion, questioning, contention. Yep its messy. Life is messy. Policy options are being debated - where the public slept thru 8 years of Obama - they have woken up and with each passing month they are seeing that the flaws Trump possesses are dwarfed by the flaws thru out the entire american political scene.

Whether any good comes of it - is not dependent on Trump. Trump has shaken up Washington. Washington and the US public are finally getting around to some seriously neglected self reflection. The anger and hysteria is caused by millions of people - after a long sleep - finally looking around and seeing all that is wrong.

Blaming that all on Trump is merely a projection a childlike wish to be told a bed time story by Obama.
 

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If a statue or monument doesn't have the support of the overwhelming majority of the community then why should it exist in a public place?

Especially when that monument/statue was put there recently only to pacify to a political minority.

Monuments should be a rallying point for the community & it's values. They shouldn't be used to intimidate a segment of the population (which is the intent of many of the monuments/statues being discussed).

This is another of these issues where the only people struggling to grasp it are people suffering conservatitis. A slow decaying of the brain where you're unable to see a future while simultaneously seeing an ever increasingly distorted view of the past. This unfortunate condition causes it's suffers to become irrationally anxious as the community in which they live becomes increasingly foreign to them.
How can the antidote to oppressive historical group think - be more group thinking.

It seems you would like a future where everyone is in full agreement about everything. Where dissenting views and questions are not permitted.
You assume that those like you with the best intentions will always determine the right thoughts and agreements. You assume there is no fault in any of your good intentions. You assume History is cast in stone and all that can be learnt is known is to be made into a creed never to be challenged or questioned.

And anyone who questions or challenges is to cast out and demonised.

And yet those people represented in those statues you would cast in to sea - also was part of movement in their time that believed just as you do - that they were right and that they could force their truth onto the rest of us.

And what ****en community?
 
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