Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 4 (cont in pt 5)

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If a statue or monument doesn't have the support of the overwhelming majority of the community then why should it exist in a public place?
In the case of these statues how was the överwhelming majority"of the community ascertained?
Was there a vote of the citizens, free from intimidation?

If not you don't have an argument, however high minded you try to make it.
 

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Blaming that all on Trump is merely a projection a childlike wish to be told a bed time story by Obama.
Man, you Trumpians are unbelievable. As usual, you're arguing against an argument I'm not making.

All US presidents in living memory, none more so than Trump, are less powerful than Pentagon in exercising US military power abroad. They all suffer the same problem. They are less powerful than Congress on US soil and they are less powerful than the Pentagon in the rest of the world.

Obama wanted to close Gitmo. If he was better at exercising the limited power of the president it would be closed. That he couldn't is a perfect example of the limited power of the presidency. There is zero evidence Obama has moved one iota on his fundamental objection to it.

Trump isn't shining light on shit either. The Pentagon and the Congress don't have less power now to wage war than they had under Obama. The moron-in-chief means they are more powerful than ever. There's not a chance in hell that's going to change any time soon either with Trump wanting to privatise the VA to benefit his donors. The one check against the Pentagon that exists is the budgetary pressure it puts on congress. That's no longer there and will be lessened by pushing the cost of veterans down to making care almost non-existant. Maybe you missed the massive increases awarded to defence contractors in the last budget?

I'm yet to meet a Trumpian that has even the slightest grip on the reality of Washington politics.
 
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How can the antidote to oppressive historical group think - be more group thinking.

It seems you would like a future where everyone is in full agreement about everything. Where dissenting views and questions are not permitted.
You assume that those like you with the best intentions will always determine the right thoughts and agreements. You assume there is no fault in any of your good intentions. You assume History is cast in stone and all that can be learnt is known is to be made into a creed never to be challenged or questioned.

And anyone who questions or challenges is to cast out and demonised.

And yet those people represented in those statues you would cast in to sea - also was part of movement in their time that believed just as you do - that they were right and that they could force their truth onto the rest of us.

And what ****en community?
Group think?

I know from a basement this is probably hard to grasp but we live in a community where collectively we decide on ever changing social norms.

The issues you're getting your knickers in a knot over are more about the future than the past too. Your conservatitis is blinding you to that reality.
 

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I do get that and how the rest of the media like the Republican party policies, they just don't like how such an imbecile is President and embarrasses the rest of the country in front of the world.
Mine is just the realization that there will be no wall, or military guarding the border, tariff war (nod to Maggie5 ) or any other hair brained idea that he comes up with.
Why do you believe there will be no wall or military (national guard) guarding the border?
The wall was Trump's signature mandate?
 

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In the case of these statues how was the överwhelming majority"of the community ascertained?
A quirky thing we like to call elections.

Was there a vote of the citizens, free from intimidation?
*chuckles*

Yeah there was. Several. Republicans won the majority of the seats in it too.

If not you don't have an argument, however high minded you try to make it.
The lack of self-awareness is actually quite funny yet still disturbing.
 

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A quirky thing we like to call elections.

*chuckles*

Yeah there was. Several. Republicans won the majority of the seats in it too.
The lack of self-awareness is actually quite funny yet still disturbing.
A load of rubbish.
So far Yebiga wins.
 

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Terrorists in ghouta appear to have staged a major nerve gas attack, Trumps Warhawks promised retaliation should this occur, Russia promised to strike the ships or bases or planes attacks are launched from. Pretty stupid to enable Islamist terrorists to light the fuse for ww3, but it will be either a major loss or face for USA , Russia or the terrorists will be abandoned by their former backers.
So choice of war over as terrorists get no help, or possibly ww3. Over false flag by jihadists.
 

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Man, you Trumpians are unbelievable. As usual, you're arguing against a argument I'm not making.

All US presidents in living memory, none more so than Trump, are less powerful than Pentagon in exercising US military power abroad. They all suffer the same problem. They are less powerful than Congress on US soil and they are less powerful than the Pentagon in the rest of the world.

Obama wanted to close Gitmo. If he was better at exercising the limited power of the president it would be closed. That he couldn't is a perfect example of the limited power of the presidency. There is zero evidence Obama has moved one iota on his fundamental objection to it.

Trump isn't shining light on shit either. The Pentagon and the Congress don't have less power now to wage war than they had under Obama. The moron-in-chief means they are more powerful than ever. There's not a chance in hell that's going to change any time soon either with Trump wanting to privatise the VA to benefit his donors. The one check against the Pentagon that exists is the budgetary pressure it puts on congress. That's no longer there and will be lessened by pushing the cost of veterans down to making care almost non-existant. Maybe you missed the massive increases awarded to defence contractors in the last budget?

I'm yet to meet a Trumpian that has even the slightest grip on the reality of Washington politics.
And yet it is Trump who has his grip on Washington - ironic
 

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Group think?

I know from a basement this is probably hard to grasp but we live in a community where collectively we decide on ever changing social norms.

The issues you're getting your knickers in a knot over are more about the future than the past too. Your conservatitis is blinding you to that reality.
It’s hard to believe but the above post says nothing remotely intelligible.
Stating there is a community is not an argument
How does that community act - who are it’s members - what are it’s beliefs and hopes - who is included and who is included. And what gets you in to the community or keeps you out?
 

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A quirky thing we like to call elections.


*chuckles*

Yeah there was. Several. Republicans won the majority of the seats in it too.


The lack of self-awareness is actually quite funny yet still disturbing.
Funny that
The Presidential election though is supposedly invalid - Russians! And treachery won it for him.

So good election result - look at our community!
Bad result - look at the morons

Obama wins - oh my what a community

This is past taking seriously
 

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And yet it is Trump who has his grip on Washington - ironic
How's that wall coming?

Or repealing Obamacare?

Or improving relations with Russia?

Or de-funding Planned Parenthood?

Or ... I could go on.

I can't believe people that consider themselves independent thinkers could have fallen for the whole master negotiator/ultra businessman media creation that was Donald Trump. I understand those people are desperate to save face but unfortunately for them the emperor has no clothes. He was a media creation and now he's just the latest in a growing list of comical Republican presidents.

Any fool should have been capable of seeing this con coming.
 

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Obama wanted to close Gitmo. If he was better at exercising the limited power of the president it would be closed. That he couldn't is a perfect example of the limited power of the presidency. There is zero evidence Obama has moved one iota on his fundamental objection to it.
I feel that if Trump had made that promise he would have kept it in the media until he got what he wanted, Trump loves soundbytes.. Every time Obama spoke about it he was frustrated because he was up against a political system that had to deal with realities, such as what happens to those residing at Gitmo? Do they release them? Do they bring them to the USA where they would be entitled to far more rights but become a massive political hand grenade?

Very shitty all around situation for the USA cleaning up the scraps of an administration from almost twenty years ago.
 

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I feel that if Trump had made that promise he would have kept it in the media until he got what he wanted, Trump loves soundbytes.. Every time Obama spoke about it he was frustrated because he was up against a political system that had to deal with realities, such as what happens to those residing at Gitmo? Do they release them? Do they bring them to the USA where they would be entitled to far more rights but become a massive political hand grenade?

Very shitty all around situation for the USA cleaning up the scraps of an administration from almost twenty years ago.
A lot of Trump's shtick is classic conservative adulation for the military and "the generals".

Trump isn't ideological so there's nothing to be gained in his mind by challenging that conservative orthodoxy. It plays well across the isle in the states important to his electoral success too. Whenever he's riffing, like the other day on Syria, any position is possible to come out of his mouth. The WH quickly contradicts that, his supporters rush to defend his idiocy, and we're back to conservative orthodoxy.

Obama never made any progress on the issue for the same reason Trump would never consider actually changing it (although, as I said, it's possible anything could come out his mouth while riffing on it).
 

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No thoughts and prayers for the person who died but the building was well built

inb4 the comments that the fire could have been worse but for the construction
 

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In Rome there is Colosseum
They fed Christians to Lions in the Colosseum - I expect you would be all for levelling it?
Any public statutes or busts of Roman Emperors should be destroyed
Any statues of Napoleon should be destroyed
Any statues of Winston Churchill who endorse butchery in the colonies and the bombing of civilian Free Cities in Germany should be removed
And Washington named after the racist George Washington should be renamed.
Truman who authorised the unnecessary bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki - his statues must be removed
**** the entire USA wiped out 10 million native americans it to should be renamed

Where do I sign
Yep taking down the colosseum is the equivalent of taking down a Robert E Lee statue...............fmd
 

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How's that wall coming?

Or repealing Obamacare?

Or improving relations with Russia?

Or de-funding Planned Parenthood?

Or ... I could go on.

I can't believe people that consider themselves independent thinkers could have fallen for the whole master negotiator/ultra businessman media creation that was Donald Trump. I understand those people are desperate to save face but unfortunately for them the emperor has no clothes. He was a media creation and now he's just the latest in a growing list of comical Republican presidents.

Any fool should have been capable of seeing this con coming.
Lol
It’s all black and white with you guys!
Everyone is either evil or great
Your like babies
 

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It’s all black and white with you guys!
Everyone is either evil or great
Your like babies
Like Trump banning all muslims or calling Mexicans rapists?

Its often right wingers that like to throw a blanket over an entire group and refuse to see any possible nuance in a situation.
 

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It’s all black and white with you guys!
Everyone is either evil or great
Your like babies
Evil or great? Again, your conservatitis is making you hear voices.

I never said anyone was evil or anyone was great. Incompetent doesn't equal "evil" & competent doesn't mean "great".

Some of you would be better off learning basic comprehension before wasting time on the drivel spewed from the sites/youtube channels you frequent.

It is no wonder you're so easily conned.
 

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Apparently sprinklers aren't necessary in a "well built building". I really hope the family of the deceased sue the pants of the creep.

As today’s 50th floor fire was playing out at Trump Tower in New York City, Donald Trump took the opportunity to brag on Twitter that it was a “well built building.” Before he made this remark, it had already been reported that one person was seriously injured in the blaze. Unfortunately, that person later died. Now the fire department in New York has revealed that the Trump Tower floor in question had no sprinklers.
 

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Why do you believe there will be no wall or military (national guard) guarding the border?
The wall was Trump's signature mandate?
There are no Mexicans coming across at the moment in fact there are more people exiting the country than entering but he doesn't care about facts because it's one of his two central mandates (wall and trade deficits). Both are just red herrings as far as the rest of congress are concerned though used to stir up his base (although he truly believes in them because he's an imbecile).
When the national guard have been sitting there for a little while twiddling their thumbs and the Dems regain a lot of power in November that wall will be as far away as ever.

The only things he has achieved is tax cuts for the rich and Gorsuch as supreme court judge and giving large chunks of public land for free to mining companies all of which the Republicans wanted but anything else needs to be ratified, look at the travel ban that got overturned as soon as it was ordered.
The Republicans are seeing a massive blue wave against him in all these special elections but what really is shocking is the swing in areas that are considered his base. Alabama, Wisconsin this week, Pennsylvania 16th, the pre vote in Texas, these are all strongholds for Republicans and the they are being cleaned out.

An example of his incompetence is his lack of understanding of trade wars, by throwing a 25% tax on goods entering the country that becomes less product being sold in places like Walmart for example so his own economy shrinks as well as China's. He even admitted that the American people will feel pain over these tariffs but it will make them stronger in the long run, the idiot doesn't get that the people don't want to hear that they are going to feel pain.
 
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