Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 4 (cont in pt 5)

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Not sure there is a more vile man in DC than Paul Ryan, history will not be kind to the repugnant member from Wisconsin:


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Turns out the backlash was so great Putrid Paul deleted the tweet. The man is a turd.
How could anyone possible support someone like Paul Ryan? I don't get it.
 

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Read the whole thing.
Carter Page allowed them to intercept anyone who Carter Page communicated with.

They will need to have excellent proof that He was in fact a Spy.
So basically they used Page who was already in the Fisa system to apply for renewals(every 90 days) without informing the courts that DC Clinton was somehow connected?

Then they continue spying on Trump and co.
 
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None of what you posted has been proven against Trump. I don’t trust him and suspect he could be guilty of some of the allegations. However, paying people hush money doesn’t imply guilt in the US. Jarryd Hayne will end up paying hush money to make the rape allegation go away. It doesn’t imply guilt!
Again, has anything been proven against the FBI?
 

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How could anyone possible support someone like Paul Ryan? I don't get it.
Quite a mystery. I wonder what was going on in his head before he sent that tweet. I'd almost think he was winding people up (wouldn't put it past him) but the deletion of the tweet thwarts that notion. Strange...
 

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Deflect, deflect deflect...

Last chance: 407 people in your silly poll gave their reasons to stop watching NFL, 32% of the 407 (130 people) said, "In support of Trump".
You still haven't answered what that means. Answer the question or acknowledge you don't know and move on.

You have a strange obsession thinking this is a competition, what's up with that? (Answer the supporting Trump question first before attempting the second one).
Classic Silver.
You claim deflect deflect deflect. Yet my initial post that you responded to was my statement that the NFL ratings had dropped largely due to the Kaepernick topic. I then show a poll that overwhelmingly supported that statement. And what do you do, you start changing the goalposts to suit your lies about polls with 400 people and Trump support. If the Kaepernick incident did not happen, and politics was not brought in to the NFL, you would not have those levels of people saying they stopped watching the NFL "In support of Trump". It's not that hard to understand is it?
And even if you want to ignore that top category, that poll still shows overwhelming support of my statement.

Why do you feel the need to argue, even when you are obviously shown to be wrong? Is it to absolutely confirm your desire to come second?

I'm not wasting anymore of my time after the event has finished, all clear sounded and medals presented. Too late for protests. Silver for you once again.
 

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So basically they used Page who was already in the Fisa system to apply for renewals(every 90 days) without informing the courts that DC Clinton was somehow connected?

Then they continue spying on Trump and co.
What the renewals show is they found new evidence since the last warrant.

You can't just use the same evidence twice to justify a new warrant.

Trump and his advisors either claim they've never met Page or ever spoken to him. That would make him a poor target for spying.

But again, four times they presented new evidence to a court linked to the previous evidence they used to get the warrant. You can't use warrants as a fishing exercise.

With that much evidence it's petty clear why the Republicans and Trump's lawyers are focusing on getting that investigation shut down.

The memo proves that if nothing else.
 
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Hey Ripper and FireKrakouer still waiting for an answer to the 'why when both Nunes and Ryan had the opportunity to change the law three weeks ago they didn't"? Seems to me they are hypocrites and that this 'memo' is just a front to protect a corrupt president. What scares me most though is that you both vote here.

But the “proper justification” for a FISA warrant doesn’t have to be nearly as dramatic, and Nunes stops short of accusing any government agency of violating the law. That’s because even if Nunes’ memo is completely accurate, and that’s already highly disputed, it’s unlikely any of it would be illegal. FISA has been controversial for years because, thanks in part to laws passed by Republicans, nearly anybody can be the subject of a FISA warrant, for almost any reason.

In so far as using Carter Page as the 'victim', here is a time line in which you will note that he was subject of investigation well before the Steele dossier.

Here’s what to know about Page, his involvement with the Trump campaign, and why he may have been the focus of an FBI investigation.

January 2013: At an energy conference in New York, Page meets with Victor Podobnyy, according to court documents. The two exchange contact information and have several more meetings discussing energy policy, where they also exchange documents on that subject.


Jan. 26, 2015: Pobodnyy and two other Russians are charged with working as agents for Russian intelligence in New York. Court records include a transcript of a recorded conversation in which Pobodnyy talks about trying to recruit someone identified as Male-1, which BuzzFeed later reveals to be Page. “I think he is an idiot,” Pobodnyy says in the transcript.


Read on...
 

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What the renewals show is they found new evidence since the last warrant.

You can't use the same evidence twice to justify a new warrant.

Trump and his advisors either claim they've never met Page or ever spoken to him. That would make him a poor target for spying.

But again, four times they presented new evidence to a court linked to the previous evidence they used to get the warrant. You can't use warrants as a fishing exercise.

With that much evidence it's petty clear why the Republicans and Trump's lawyers are focusing on getting that investigation shut down.

The memo proves that if nothing else.
It's also what you withhold when asking for a renewal and not mentioning the other Candidate is a pretty big deal in my books. Along with other things like a couple the Ors who worked in different departments FBI/Fusion.

One candidate spying on the other is pretty shifty imo if you can't see that who am i to change your mind.

Edit. Also something that's not being talked alot about. Judge(Contrereas) who was working on the Flynn case end up recusing himself in Dec.

It turns out he was a Fisa Judge at the time.
 
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7 million down on Obama in 2009. Does he not think people keep records of these things? Such a vain idiot.
He knows that even if he is proven wrong, his acolytes will jettison that lie and look for other evidence as to why they were right to invest so much emotional energy in Trump.


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Ignore the people who mimic their idol since they're making it clear they idolise his behaviour and not his politics.
They think they're "in first place" and "winning" because they've hitched their horse and cart to the xenophobic Trump Train, makes one wonder what "floated their boat" previously to Trump...
 

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I can't imagine there are too many Cold Warriors left in the American legislature but watching Republicans trying to ignore/defend allegations of Russian collusion is truly one of those I never thought I'd live to see the day moments.
Not to mention Republicans attacking law enforcement and Hoover's FBI. What a world.
 

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It's also what you withhold when asking for a renewal and not mentioning the other Candidate is a pretty big deal in my books.
That is a leap of faith.

The Republicans that are making that claim haven't seen the evidence that was presented to the court. How would they know?

The one that has seen the evidence isn't making that claim. Oh, did I mention he decided to not contest the next election not long after seeing it?

One candidate spying on the other is pretty shifty imo if you can't see that who am i to change your mind.
Umm, how was Clinton spying on Trump?

I thought the FBI was?

You know, that same FBI that was investigating . . . sorry "spying" . . . on Clinton.
 

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Hey Ripper and FireKrakouer still waiting for an answer to the 'why when both Nunes and Ryan had the opportunity to change the law three weeks ago they didn't"? Seems to me they are hypocrites and that this 'memo' is just a front to protect a corrupt president. What scares me most though is that you both vote here.

But the “proper justification” for a FISA warrant doesn’t have to be nearly as dramatic, and Nunes stops short of accusing any government agency of violating the law. That’s because even if Nunes’ memo is completely accurate, and that’s already highly disputed, it’s unlikely any of it would be illegal. FISA has been controversial for years because, thanks in part to laws passed by Republicans, nearly anybody can be the subject of a FISA warrant, for almost any reason.

In so far as using Carter Page as the 'victim', here is a time line in which you will note that he was subject of investigation well before the Steele dossier.

Here’s what to know about Page, his involvement with the Trump campaign, and why he may have been the focus of an FBI investigation.

January 2013: At an energy conference in New York, Page meets with Victor Podobnyy, according to court documents. The two exchange contact information and have several more meetings discussing energy policy, where they also exchange documents on that subject.


Jan. 26, 2015: Pobodnyy and two other Russians are charged with working as agents for Russian intelligence in New York. Court records include a transcript of a recorded conversation in which Pobodnyy talks about trying to recruit someone identified as Male-1, which BuzzFeed later reveals to be Page. “I think he is an idiot,” Pobodnyy says in the transcript.


Read on...
They did "fix" the 702 problem , although I will go on record as being against the whole thing.

We know that , Page actually assisted the FBI.

 
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Yep, they covered up the real truth about 911 by destroying the evidence!
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Quite a mystery. I wonder what was going on in his head before he sent that tweet. I'd almost think he was winding people up (wouldn't put it past him) but the deletion of the tweet thwarts that notion. Strange...
In his mind he thought he was highlighting the "good" that his tax cuts have done for an average person.

He is just a bit dense to think about the natural replies.
 

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Hey Ripper and FireKrakouer still waiting for an answer to the 'why when both Nunes and Ryan had the opportunity to change the law three weeks ago they didn't"? Seems to me they are hypocrites and that this 'memo' is just a front to protect a corrupt president. What scares me most though is that you both vote here.

But the “proper justification” for a FISA warrant doesn’t have to be nearly as dramatic, and Nunes stops short of accusing any government agency of violating the law. That’s because even if Nunes’ memo is completely accurate, and that’s already highly disputed, it’s unlikely any of it would be illegal. FISA has been controversial for years because, thanks in part to laws passed by Republicans, nearly anybody can be the subject of a FISA warrant, for almost any reason.

In so far as using Carter Page as the 'victim', here is a time line in which you will note that he was subject of investigation well before the Steele dossier.

Here’s what to know about Page, his involvement with the Trump campaign, and why he may have been the focus of an FBI investigation.

January 2013: At an energy conference in New York, Page meets with Victor Podobnyy, according to court documents. The two exchange contact information and have several more meetings discussing energy policy, where they also exchange documents on that subject.


Jan. 26, 2015: Pobodnyy and two other Russians are charged with working as agents for Russian intelligence in New York. Court records include a transcript of a recorded conversation in which Pobodnyy talks about trying to recruit someone identified as Male-1, which BuzzFeed later reveals to be Page. “I think he is an idiot,” Pobodnyy says in the transcript.


Read on...
702 of the FISA act has not shown any evidence of abuses according to the oversight committee, so why are you making such a big deal about this.
It's a red herring from you to take attention away from the abuses found within the FBI and DoJ.
 

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That is a leap of faith.

The Republicans that are making that claim haven't seen the evidence that was presented to the court. How would they know?

The one that has seen the evidence isn't making that claim. Oh, did I mention he decided to not contest the next election not long after seeing it?


Umm, how was Clinton spying on Trump?

I thought the FBI was?

You know, that same FBI that was investigating . . . sorry "spying" . . . on Clinton.
It's in the Memo isn't it at no time was the Clinton DC mentioned when renewing?

Re spying you don't think that's the case here??
This has been known for a long time if you want to dance around it and think Page was the only one good luck to you.
 
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It's in the Memo isn't it at no time was the Clinton DC mentioned when renewing?
Was the dossier used to get all 4 approvals? Because they require progressive reports to get an extension.

The judges also ask questions. Did you know that bias is not a disqualifying factor? Was there any reason to expect bias against Carter Page?
 
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