Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 7 - Trump takes full responsibility.

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Trump suggesting he will close the whole southern border if he doesnt get his wall.

Um if he can just close the border can anyone tell me why he needs a wall?
He also caved and halve the money he wants for the wall but the democrats still told him to **** off

Art of the deal
 

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America's main problem is that these "moderate Conservatives" now lead the Democrats, and the Republicans have gone off the spectrum to the right.

The GOP are off the spectrum crazy though. They are comic villain level ridiculous.

Completely bought off by the rich/wallstreet/corporations (Dems aren't much better but at least have a growing movement in their ranks refusing to take big corporate money).

They are also mostly religious nutjobs, gun nuts, regressive socially and have a crazy adherence to free market mythology.

Also as Noam Chomsky once said, they are the world's biggest threat to the environment and climate change.
 

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He also caved and halve the money he wants for the wall but the democrats still told him to **** off

Art of the deal
Nothing funnier than the worlds greatest negotiator giving away all his leverage by claiming he would take responsibility for the shutdown. One of the greatest negotiating chokes of all time.
 

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You want to go back to being a socialist or do you have a new alternative way?
How about providing basic health care, a decent minimum wage and a reduced military budget as a starting point, and then go from there. Or is that too socialist?
 

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The GOP are off the spectrum crazy though. They are comic villain level ridiculous.

Completely bought off by the rich/wallstreet/corporations (Dems aren't much better but at least have a growing movement in their ranks refusing to take big corporate money).

They are also mostly religious nutjobs, gun nuts, regressive socially and have a crazy adherence to free market mythology.

Also as Noam Chomsky once said, they are the world's biggest threat to the environment and climate change.
This is why half the population don't vote!
 

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How about providing basic health care, a decent minimum wage and a reduced military budget as a starting point, and then go from there. Or is that too socialist?
Their health care system is crazy but ours is pretty awful for different reasons. To much moral hazard that results from too many health services being subsidised by tax payers without proper oversight. Doctors and patients passing the buck on to insurers and tax payers results in no incentive for treatment to be efficient and appropriate nor any incentive for hospital operations to be efficient. Having to go back and forth between gps and specialists just to get tests approved and test results wasting money and time. Conflict of interest where specialists in certain medical fields can control how much specialists are trained which enables them to constrain supply and ramp up prices and waiting times. GPs randomly selecting some people to get free consultations whilst others have to pay 70 plus dollars. High income earners being forced to buy private insurance even though they are the ones who largely fund the public system. This is only the beginning of the list of problems with the sector and a lot are too do with the fact people dont have to directly pay for their own medical services. It sounds great for everyone to get everything for free in the health sector but with the aging population it is becoming unsustainable. I dont necessarily advocate getting rid of the concept but we need to greatly reduce its costs as its imposing unjust burden on the young and skilled.

Increasing the minimum wage is too socialist. Having a minimum wage at all is socialist. Results in certain jobs no longer existing. We dont have people provide certain services in australia that you can get in the US cos our minimum wage is too high. Those people who would be doing them often end up long term unemployed. Clearly some people in america also want to be poor unskilled manufacturing workers for reasons i cant understand. Need to lower the minimum wage to allow them to do so. Maybe when the wage falls to a competitive level they will realise there are better ways to make a living and restructure their industry. Better off banning coercive practises in skilled employment where skills arent transferable across industries (forcing the young to work for free in skilled sectors before they can start to earn a wage is a practise thatvis unjust and shoukd be illegal). Allowing skilled workers in monopoly sectors to strenthen unions would also help.

Reduced military budget is something i often advocate but the US is now lagging on the technology front with China and Russia. They need to desperately catch up. China and Russia are very scary propositions given their ideologies.
 
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Because America is domestically f*cked. The richest country in the world, yet half of the people live below or near the poverty line. 30 million without healthcare. Abhorrent minimum wage.

But yep, they should definitely be involved in illegal wars in Syria. Definitely.
$23trillion in debt is not rich.
 

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$23trillion in debt is not rich.
Their net external debt rate is only about 30 percent of gdp. All the other debt is offset by assets us citizens own overseas. You are looking at the wrong numbers. Not to mention nearly all US debt is owed in Us dollars and the US central bank could just devalue the currency and effectively wipe out the debt if they want. Australias net external debt is double the share of GDP as the US and we dont have the same ability to devalue our debt through currency manipulation.
 

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Their health care system is crazy but ours is pretty awful for different reasons. To much moral hazard that results from too many health services being subsidised by tax payers without proper oversight. Doctors and patients passing the buck on to insurers and tax payers results in no incentive for treatment to be efficient and appropriate nor any incentive for hospital operations to be efficient. Having to go back and forth between gps and specialists just to get tests approved and test results wasting money and time. Conflict of interest where specialists in certain medical fields can control how much specialists are trained which enables them to constrain supply and ramp up prices and waiting times. GPs randomly selecting some people to get free consultations whilst others have to pay 70 plus dollars. High income earners being forced to buy private insurance even though they are the ones who largely fund the public system. This is only the beginning of the list of problems with the sector and a lot are too do with the fact people dont have to directly pay for their own medical services. It sounds great for everyone to get everything for free in the health sector but with the aging population it is becoming unsustainable. I dont necessarily advocate getting rid of the concept but we need to greatly reduce its costs as its imposing unjust burden on the young and skilled.

Increasing the minimum wage is too socialist. Having a minimum wage at all is socialist. Results in certain jobs no longer existing. We dont have people provide certain services in australia that you can get in the US cos our minimum wage is too high. Those people who would be doing them often end up long term unemployed. Clearly some people in america also want to be poor unskilled manufacturing workers for reasons i cant understand. Need to lower the minimum wage to allow them to do so. Maybe when the wage falls to a competitive level they will realise there are better ways to make a living and restructure their industry. Better off banning coercive practises in skilled employment where skills arent transferable across industries (forcing the young to work for free in skilled sectors before they can start to earn a wage is a practise thatvis unjust and shoukd be illegal). Allowing skilled workers in monopoly sectors to strenthen unions would also help.

Reduced military budget is something i often advocate but the US is now lagging on the technology front with China and Russia. They need to desperately catch up. China and Russia are very scary propositions given their ideologies.
It's now very clear why you are so baffled as to how Trump is the President.
 

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Well this is normal and nothing to be concerned about...


Reading the tweets in the thread it doesn’t get better either.
Absolute lunacy, but you know that comments like that appeal to the majority of Trump supporters - the ignorant, uneducated religious loons.
 

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Trump got another yes-man.

This fits in with the religious zealotry the US government seems soaked in.

Did somebody post an article that discussed the fanatical pro-Israel attitude that relates back to apocalyptic interpretations of the bible? Israel has to exist or Jesus won't return or some such bullshit?
Yes, that's essentially it. The Jews having their own nation will lead to the apocalypse and Jesus's second coming... Or something equally as ridiculous as that.
 

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Yes, that's essentially it. The Jews having their own nation will lead to the apocalypse and Jesus's second coming... Or something equally as ridiculous as that.
Which partly explains the death & destruction the US has caused in the middle east & allowed Israel to do the same. Iraq being the prime example.
 

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Yep a dumber political analysis you would struggle to find.

While Obama was a disappointment sure, you would have to be a moron (or a Trump sycophant) to believe Obama wouldn't have cake walked to a 3rd term against Trump.
For sure. That's what the Left believed about Hillary Clinton - that's why she was running as Obama's 3rd term.

Don't you understand how that myopic arrogance led to the catastrophe?
 

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For sure. That's what the Left believed about Hillary Clinton - that's why she was running as Obama's 3rd term.

Don't you understand how that myopic arrogance led to the catastrophe?
Is this the same arrogance Trumpists use to insist Trump will get a second term?

To not understand the difference between Obama and Hillary as candidates shows how utterly clueless you are.
 

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Yep a dumber political analysis you would struggle to find.

While Obama was a disappointment sure, you would have to be a moron (or a Trump sycophant) to believe Obama wouldn't have cake walked to a 3rd term against Trump.
Obama would have won a 3rd term because his natural charisma would have carried him. Hillary Clinton was Bill/Obama policies without their charisma: dead in the water.

It’s a bit like the Beto thing. There is nothing there except a photogenic youngish man with Kennedy teeth. It gets liberal millennial women hot and is establishment friendly and bang: presidential.
 

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Last Friday there was this...

House Judiciary Chairman Bob Goodlatte and Oversight Chairman Trey Gowdy sent a six-page letter Friday summarizing the findings of their joint probe into the FBI and Justice Department, writing that further investigation was needed -- including appointing a second special counsel -- to examine the "disparate way these two investigations were seemingly conducted."
The Republican leaders haven't indicated they'll put out any kind of supplemental report on their findings, although they do plan to release transcripts of the 19 interviews that were conducted, including with former FBI Director James Comey, former Attorney General Loretta Lynch, former Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe and a pair of FBI officials, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page, who were faulted for exchanging anti-Trump text messages.

The today we get this:


Here is an idea: Trump and the Republicans should make a wall out of Clinton's emails and the texts of Strozok and Paige since they can't seem to get over them.

For sure. That's what the Left believed about Hillary Clinton - that's why she was running as Obama's 3rd term.
Don't you understand how that myopic arrogance led to the catastrophe?
Gee you move the goal posts rather quickly when you are shown to be wrong.
 

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Will you accept Rasmussen polling (although I would add a couple of percentage points given their bias).
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...a_administration/obama_approval_index_history
62% Total approve in Jan 2017.
Can't see any numbers below 43% over the 8 years in fact most were over 50%.
Probably best you stay away from statistics Maggie and stick with the subjective nonsense.
Obama had 23 polling days less than 43%.
He also had 2132 polling days in which his Total Approve was 50% or less and only 568 that were over 50%. So when you say most, that translates to just 21%.

And some further stats for you to enjoy, in Trump's 2nd year of Presidency, so far (from 20th Jan 2018 - current) has a Total Approve average of 47.6, with a lowest of 42 and highest of 51. Obama for the same period of his Presidency had average 46.1, min 41, max 50.
 
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Probably best you stay away from statistics Maggie and stick with the subjective nonsense.
Obama had 23 polling days less than 43%.
He also had 2132 polling days in which his Total Approve was 50% or less and only 568 that were over 50%. So when you say most, that translates to just 21%.

And some further stats for you to enjoy, in Trump's 2nd year of Presidency, so far (from 20th Jan 2018 - current) has a Total Approve average of 47.6, with a lowest of 42 and highest of 51. Obama for the same period of his Presidency had average 46.1, min 41, max 50.
She quoted Rasmussen in response to another moronic Trumpist similar to yourself insinuating people hated Obama at the end of his tenure, which is why Trump got in. She quoted a poll refuting that assertion entirely.

You go off on a random side tangent about nothing relevant because you are just so desperate to pretend Trump is popular and a people's choice. Pathetically sad.

Btw still waiting on your explanation regarding why your opinion on climate change is worth more than IPCC climate scientists?
 

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Is this the same arrogance Trumpists use to insist Trump will get a second term?

To not understand the difference between Obama and Hillary as candidates shows how utterly clueless you are.
But it, it was the Left strategists of the DNC/HRC who failed to recognise Obama had left them vulnerable in certain key electoral states and their blind Obot supporters who lost it for HRC.
Aid. Kool.
 
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