Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 8 - Totally exonerated bigly.

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It is the MSM #mainstreammedia in the #Beltway that cooked the alchemy conspiracy, and did more damage to populace/constituency paranoia. Before the votes counted and HRC lost there was NO #CONSPIRACY but a latent Goebbels populace willing to buy cherf's BS.
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Funny how Trump lied about meetings then. Very funny.
But this is all old news. Taibbi is falling into the trap Trump has set "It's about collusion, stupid!" Strange given he's usually pretty solid.
Then there is Glenn Greenwald ... https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18...ssia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/

The anti-climactic ending of the Mueller investigation is particularly stunning given how broad Mueller’s investigative scope ended up being, extending far beyond the 2016 election into years worth of Trump’s alleged financial dealings with Russia (and, obviously, Manafort’s with Ukraine and Russia). There can simply be no credible claim that Mueller was, in any meaningful way, impeded by scope, resources or topic limitation from finding anything for which he searched.

Despite efforts today by long-time conspiracist theorists to drastically move goalposts so as to claim vindication, the historical record could not be clearer that Mueller’s central mandate was to determine whether crimes were committed by Trump officials in connection with alleged Russian interference in the election. The first paragraph of the New York Times article from May, 2017, announcing Mueller’s appointment, leaves no doubt about that:
The Justice Department appointed Robert S. Mueller III, a former F.B.I. director, as special counsel on Wednesday to oversee the investigation into ties between President Trump’s campaign and Russian officials, dramatically raising the legal and political stakes in an affair that has threatened to engulf Mr. Trump’s four-month-old presidency.

As recently as one month ago, former CIA Director and current NBC News analyst John Brennan was confidently predicting that Mueller could not possibly close his investigation without first indicting a slew of Americans for criminally conspiring with Russia over the election, and specifically predicted that Trump’s family members would be included among those so charged:

Obviously, none of that happened. Nor were any of the original accusations that launched this three-year-long mania — from an accusatory August, 2016 online commercial from the Clinton campaign — corroborated by the Mueller Report:

Indeed, so many of the most touted media “bombshells” claiming to establish Trump/Russia crimes have been proven false by this report. Despite an extensive discussion of Paul Manafort’s activities, nothing in the Report even hints, let alone states, that he ever visited Julian Assange in the Ecuadorian Embassy, let alone visited him three times, including during the 2016 election. How the Guardian could justify still not retracting that false story is mystifying.
Faring even worse is the Buzzfeed bombshell from January claiming that “President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow” and that “Cohen also told the special counsel that after the election, the president personally instructed him to lie — by claiming that negotiations ended months earlier than they actually did — in order to obscure Trump’s involvement.” Mueller himself responded to the story by insisting it was false, and his Report directly contradicts it, as it makes clear that Cohen told Mueller the exact opposite:


Equally debunked is CNN’s major blockbuster by Jim Sciutto, Carl Bernstein, and Marshall Cohen from last July that “Michael Cohen, President Donald Trump’s former personal attorney, claims that then-candidate Trump knew in advance about the June 2016 meeting in Trump Tower.” The Mueller Report says the exact opposite: that Cohen had no knowledge of Trump’s advanced knowledge.
And the less said about the Steele Dossier, pee-pee tapes, secret meetings in Prague, and indescribably unhinged claims like this one, the better:
But beyond the gutting of these core conspiracy claims is that Mueller’s investigation probed areas far beyond the initial scope of Trump/Russia election-conspiring, and came up empty. Among other things, Mueller specifically examined Trump’s financial dealings with Russia to determine whether that constituted incriminating evidence of corrupt links.


Because Trump’s status as a public figure at the time was attributable in large part to his prior business and entertainment dealings, this Office investigated whether a business contact with Russia-linked individuals and entities during the campaign period—the Trump Tower Moscow project, see Volume I, Section IV.A.1, infra—led to or involved coordination.
Indeed, Mueller’s examination of Trump’s financial dealings with Russia long pre-dates the start of the Trump campaign, going back several years before the election.

Mueller additionally made clear that he received authorization to investigate numerous Americans for ties to Russia despite their not being formally associated with the Trump campaign, including Michael Cohen and Roger Stone. And regarding Cohen, Mueller specifically was authorized to investigate any attempts by Cohen to “receive funds from Russia-backed entities.” None of this deep diving to other individuals or years of alleged financial dealings with Russian resulted in any finding that Trump or any of his associates were controlled by, or corruptly involved with, the Russian government.

Then there is the issue of Manafort’s relationship with the Ukrainians, and specifically his providing of polling data to Konstantin Kilimnik, an episode which Trump/Putin conspiracist Marcy Wheeler, along with many others, particularly hyped over and over. To begin with, Mueller said his office “did not identify evidence of a connection” between that act and “Russian interference in the election,” nor did he “establish that Manafort otherwise coordinated with the Russian government on its election-inteference efforts”:

Also endlessly hyped by Wheeler and other conspiracists were the post-election contacts between Trump and Russia: as though it’s unusual that a major power would seek to build new, constructive relationships with a newly elected administration. Indeed, Wheeler went so far as to cite these post-election contacts to turn her own source into the FBI on the ground that it constituted smoking gun evidence, an act for which she was praised by the Washington Post (nothing Wheeler claimed about the evidence “related to the Mueller investigation” that she claimed to possess appears to be in the Mueller Report). Here again, the Mueller Report could not substantiate any of these claims:
The centerpiece of the Trump/Russia conspiracy – the Trump Tower meeting – was such a dud that Jared Kushner, halfway through the meeting, texted Manafort to declare the meeting “a waste of time,” and then instructed his assistant to call him so that he could concoct a reason to leave. Not only could Mueller not find any criminality in this meeting relating to election conspiring, but he could not even use election law to claim it was an illegal gift of something of value from a foreigner, because, among other things, the information offered was of so little value that it could not even pass the $2,000 threshold required to charge someone for a misdemeanor, let alone the $25,000 required to make it a felony.


Neither the Trump Tower meeting itself nor its participants – for so long held up as proof of the Trump/Russia conspiracy – could serve as the basis for any finding of criminality. Indeed, the key Trumpworld participants who testified about what happened at that meeting and its aftermath (Trump Jr. and Kushner) were not even accused by Mueller of lying about any of it.

Much, much more at the link. https://theintercept.com/2019/04/18...ssia-conspiracy-theories-he-obliterated-them/
 
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Have the Trumpanzees achieved what they set out to do? This thread has become almost unreadable. Hardly worth visiting now.

And is blackcat tagging old-time posters in an attempt to entice them back, thus making Big Footy Great Again? Good luck with that. #livinginthepast #nothealthy #quite_sad_really
 

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Have the Trumpanzees achieved what they set out to do? This thread has become almost unreadable. Hardly worth visiting now.

And is blackcat tagging old-time posters in an attempt to entice them back, thus making Big Footy Great Again? Good luck with that. #livinginthepast #nothealthy #quite_sad_really
y'know ... there's actually a few posters here, a lot them of lurking, who appreciate reading analytical pieces by good, fair, civil writers - and especially after the last coupla years of mindless talking point lies and abuse.
Each to their own ay ? Plenty of other threads, you don't have to stay.
 

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y'know ... there's actually a few posters here, a lot them of lurking, who appreciate reading analytical pieces by good, fair, civil writers - and especially after the last coupla years of mindless talking point lies and abuse.
Each to their own ay ? Plenty of other threads, you don't have to stay.
I'm all for good, fair and civil writers, but that's not what I've been seeing here lately. Just huge pictures; badly formatted, strange, unreadable posts, and in-jokes. I'm sure there are plenty of other threads where that sort of thing is welcome.
 

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Well, you have totally ignored Trump's divisive, nationalist, fascist, racist, rapist shite in favour of "teh MSM". He has a point.
But democracy means nought unless it is your preferred candidate 🙄

Fairly elected does not count for a thing /pleonasm


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you conflate gravitas & mien for democracy.

more fool to you and your pied piper progeny.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pied_Piper_of_Hamelin
Trying to decipher your convoluted and banal posts is destroying this thread for me. Posting cryptic shit (in italics) that seemingly only you understand in your head does not make you smart nor interesting; it just makes you incredibly tiresome. If you want to make a point or respond, just do so. Otherwise just start a blog so the rest of us can avoid it.
 

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This is reaffirmation to those of us who can see Trump for what he is. Trump supporters, I know you don't care, but sometimes you need to unbury your head from the sand.


The 2018 numbers were greatly affected by the midterm campaign period, during which Trump set record after record.
 
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Sadly Satan, if Russian activity under Putin's order had been regarded as serious at the time then Obama would have done something about it. Wouldn't he? And did he? Quite the opposite.
https://news.yahoo.com/obama-cyber-...ssian-cyberattacks-summer-2016-204935758.html
So much for that.

Speaking as one who was supporting Hillary in that campaign I can attest that the Russian penetration news faded away after Obama's stand down. The emails hacked from Podesta's account were voluminous but innocuous.
It was James Comey's two interventions that were much more injurious to her campaign
Even then, I thought she would survive and beat Trump handily.

It would be interesting for someone to here to go back to the campaign and see what this forum was discussing then - I would doubt there was much if any mention of Russia at all?
I bet on Trump to win in 2016, and followed the primaries + Clinton/Trump campaigns pretty closely for that reason. The first time I remember seeing Russia brought up was in about July by that flog Robbie Mook.



It was in response to the hacked emails showing the DNC essentially cheated Bernie out of his nomination. Naturally the Clinton campaign deflected, and tried to turn Russia into the story to get eyeballs away from their own corrupt behaviour. I still think this is what the Russia narrative is all about - deflection. It didn't gather enough steam in 2016 to prevent Trump winning, but it did build up some momentum. And the DNC wanting to damage the Trump presidency however they could (can't fault them; the repubs did the same thing to Obama with other spurious claims like his birth certificate) it was natural that they'd keep pushing it. I never expected the story to grow this big though! And, like anyone else who was paying attention in 2016 I am not surprised that Mueller found no evidence of collusion.

I'm not saying Russia did nothing btw - just that what they did do was probably negligible, and the story itself is nothing more than a distraction.
 
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