Play Nice 45th President of the United States: Donald Trump - Part 9 - The Shi'ites Hit The Fan (Cont. in Part 10, see OP)

[Sweet Jesus]

So the WH now admits military aid to Ukraine was withheld, contingent on Ukraine's cooperation in investigating the Bidens?

And what is the official or unofficial defence of this?

 

[Saint Shags]

I do find it entertaining that those arguing against the 'quid pro quo' have now gone from

-There was no quid pro quo
to
- They were looking for all the corruption.
to
- Everyone does it

 

[Sweet Jesus]

I do find it entertaining that those arguing against the 'quid pro quo' have now gone from

-There was no quid pro quo
to
- They were looking for all the corruption.
to
- Everyone does it

They inevitably end up at "maybe Trump broke the law but it doesn't matter". It's always just a matter of time.

 

[iBeng]

"Its just politics get over it libtards 5 more years!"

 

[Saint Shags]

It’s great the the Democratic controlled House is so focused on these serious matters and freeing the president to focus on running the country.

Well it isn't like the legislation that has been passed by the House is going anywhere.
How many pieces of Legislation is now awaiting passage through the Senate?

 

[Maggie5]

Well it isn't like the legislation that has been passed by the House is going anywhere.
How many pieces of Legislation is now awaiting passage through the Senate?

Moscow Mitch has the answer to that.

 

[bourbons]

A brief timeline of the defence of the Ukranian scandal:

”No we never!!!”

”Ok maybe we did a bit, but there was no quid pro quo!”

”You’re goddam right there was quid pro quo, and what’s wrong with that?!?!”

Standard procedure by now.

 

[cartwright]

but the Biden’s!!!!

 

[Mick F]

Did the USA officially enter the Syrian civil war? Could you point out when this action was declared and by whom? Was there a UN vote I missed?

The USA “A nation of values”?
Exactly what values - unilateral action?

The volume of rhetoric in your short post is astonishing.

Before sprouting these platitudes surely it’s necessary to at least provide some half baked example of where the USA has displayed its values and what they might be.

Making ethical business decisions is increasingly important in today’s world. To do "the right thing" means to make a choice among possibilities in favour of something the collective wisdom of humanity knows to be the way to act. A leader must call upon a broad band of intuitive knowledge and use it to give guidance and direction.

The right action is knowable, in that our human traditions are full of stories which tell us this is so. From the Judeo-Christian pronouncements of the Ten Commandments and their equivalent in other spiritual traditions, to the simple stories telling of good deeds, brave sacrifice, honest dealing, of our children's literature, we are brought up "knowing" there are right ways and wrong ways to act. If we widen the net to include stories from the political, military and business arenas, then we also know about how particular moves were made down through history that resulted in some notable achievement. Sometimes luck was involved, but always somewhere in the story a prepared mind knew how to "do the right thing."

If a person like Trump, clearly lacking moral leadership, somehow finds themselves in a position of power within an organization or in society, without knowing how to do the right thing, then the people under his or her influence are in for a bad time. At worst they will find themselves plunged into brutal conflict with outside forces, or at best they will spend a lot of time and energy struggling with internal disharmony and damage control.

All of this reinforces the point that ethics lie at the core of a successful society or organization, and that ethical leadership is one of our greatest continuing needs. Some contributors on this site are cognisant of this duty in their public and personal lives, others regrettably are not.

 

[darrenmorgan]

I do find it entertaining that those arguing against the 'quid pro quo' have now gone from

-There was no quid pro quo
to
- They were looking for all the corruption.
to
- Everyone does it

standard Trump defense to anything. The next stage is "I'm the President, I can do what i want, there's nothing wrong if the President does it".

 

[Mick F]

standard Trump defense to anything. The next stage is "I'm the President, I can do what i want, there's nothing wrong if the President does it".

Intelligent people find that the more they learn the more there is to learn. They have an intellectual curiosity and are willing to accept and consider other views with value and broad-mindedness.

Trump believes he is the font of all wisdom on all matters, therefore reading, preparation/planning and listening to the experience and advice of others is just a waste of his time.

 

[iBeng]

Don Jr is doing the news circuit warning of the dangers of nepotism with regards to Biden and his son.

The word irony means little to nothing in this day and age.

 

[Satan]

Don Jr is doing the news circuit warning of the dangers of nepotism with regards to Biden and his son.

The word irony means little to nothing in this day and age.

Must be juniors job this week as he tweeted this a few days ago

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Did the USA officially enter the Syrian civil war? Could you point out when this action was declared and by whom? Was there a UN vote I missed?

The USA “A nation of values”?
Exactly what values - unilateral action?

The volume of rhetoric in your short post is astonishing.

Before sprouting these platitudes surely it’s necessary to at least provide some half baked example of where the USA has displayed its values and what they might be.

The USA hasn't declared war on anyone since WW2

 

[Present Not Past]

Don Jr is doing the news circuit warning of the dangers of nepotism with regards to Biden and his son.

The word irony means little to nothing in this day and age.

That's very apt as Donald Trump's children are the very model of nepotism in action.

 

[Present Not Past]

Don Jr is doing the news circuit warning of the dangers of nepotism with regards to Biden and his son.

The word irony means little to nothing in this day and age.

Donald Trump Jr to Joe Biden and his son:
"Hold on, my father is the only Nepotist in the village".

 

[yebiga]

Making ethical business decisions is increasingly important in today’s world. To do "the right thing" means to make a choice among possibilities in favour of something the collective wisdom of humanity knows to be the way to act. A leader must call upon a broad band of intuitive knowledge and use it to give guidance and direction.

The right action is knowable, in that our human traditions are full of stories which tell us this is so. From the Judeo-Christian pronouncements of the Ten Commandments and their equivalent in other spiritual traditions, to the simple stories telling of good deeds, brave sacrifice, honest dealing, of our children's literature, we are brought up "knowing" there are right ways and wrong ways to act. If we widen the net to include stories from the political, military and business arenas, then we also know about how particular moves were made down through history that resulted in some notable achievement. Sometimes luck was involved, but always somewhere in the story a prepared mind knew how to "do the right thing."

If a person like Trump, clearly lacking moral leadership, somehow finds themselves in a position of power within an organization or in society, without knowing how to do the right thing, then the people under his or her influence are in for a bad time. At worst they will find themselves plunged into brutal conflict with outside forces, or at best they will spend a lot of time and energy struggling with internal disharmony and damage control.

All of this reinforces the point that ethics lie at the core of a successful society or organization, and that ethical leadership is one of our greatest continuing needs. Some contributors on this site are cognisant of this duty in their public and personal lives, others regrettably are not.

There appears to be a clear inverse relationship with the advent of ethical rhetoric and its practice

 

[Mofra]

There appears to be a clear inverse relationship with the advent of ethical rhetoric and its practice

Since approx 400BC?

 

[yebiga]

The USA hasn't declared war on anyone since WW2

So the troops who abandoned the Syrian Kurds to the Turks were whose?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

So the troops who abandoned the Syrian Kurds to the Turks were whose?

Read a book and learn what a declaration of war actually involves

 

[BigTacoBandit]

Mathis' quasi response - "At least Meryl and I have had some victories"

 

[yebiga]

Read a book and learn what a declaration of war actually involves

That sounds very much like a kremlin talking point

 

[NSWCROW]

So the WH now admits military aid to Ukraine was withheld, contingent on Ukraine's cooperation in investigating the Bidens?

And what is the official or unofficial defence of this?

Something something Obama/cnn/socialism/hilarys emails/insert target this week

 

[Mick F]

To be a whistleblower you need to know something first hand - take a risk - this is a ruse.
ain't no party, ain't no disco, ain't no whistleblower

So the IG Michael Atkinson, after investigating and considering the facts of the matter, makes a criminal referral to DOJ; but he is clueless? Whilst you are all seeing!

 

[Chief]

I do find it entertaining that those arguing against the 'quid pro quo' have now gone from

-There was no quid pro quo
to
- They were looking for all the corruption.
to
- Everyone does it

Yeah I think the general layout of their lines of defence is always:

1. Didn't happen. Fake news!

3. It happened, but it was morally just.

4. It happened, is wasn't moral, but everybody does it.

5. It happened, it wasn't moral, not everybody does it, but it was legal.

6. It happened, it wasn't moral, not everybody does it, it wasn't legal, but you can't charge him because he is the President.

Which could lead to...

7. It happened, it wasn't moral, not everybody does it, it wasn't legal, and they impeached so he is no longer the President.