Player Watch #46: Ben Miller

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db26

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If the recruitment of Tarrant serves as a mentor for Miller and Biggie then I’m ok with it post like a post earlier suggested there had to be a vfl, sanfl or wafl KB at a slightly younger age could of slotted in. We had a kid Beasley in the seconds that was going really well who was delisted by the lions before playing for us. Where did he go?


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db26

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Slightly concerned if we delist Miller and bring in Tarrant & Talia. Which is being suggested. The word 'mentor ' kills me too. We have triple premiership players in that backline that everybody trains with.. I'm not sure what wisdom spoon winning Talia or Tarrant can bring in? With a full list Tarranttalia won't even be our best 22. Tarrant wants 2 years. Astbury left us one year too soon really.
Interesting to see how trade period goes.
Not going to bring in Talia it's either one for me not both Miller and Biggie will be there.Miller will play games next year I think club is waiting who is going or staying as a rookie or further delisted.
 

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Very small sample with Miller, but I already prefer him to Garthwaite. Garthwaite’s kicking is atrocious. There was a game this year where we used him as the distributor from half back. He turned it over repeatedly. Plus, he hasn’t got the size to hold down the monster forwards. They just role over the top of him.
 

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As. much as Garth tries his guts out, I have just never been able to trust him from the moment I first saw his kicking technique. Love his endeavour but clearly with the athletic prowess and natural talent Miller has a bigger potential and therefore has to be persisted with. His one game he looked solid enough but was against poor opposition. I'd love to draft a highly rated one like Gibcus but he might be overrated in a draft light on for KPD, or else gone before our first pick. Tarrant helps fill a void but we will need another developing tall who could potentially be a long term partner for Balta. Miller might be that, he might not all i know is that Garth is not.
 

Moppey

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Realistically, we're not contending next year. Topping up with Tarrant and Talia instead of trying to develop youth could really cause us issues when they retire in a few years.
What youth Spluff. Nyuon delisted, Miiller already delisted and then placed on the list as a rookie, Garthwaite delisted.

We would never have delisted Miller if we were confident of him becoming a good KPD. Now the same has happened with Nyuon.

How often have we done this and it has ultimately failed we think they have some promise so instead of cutting the cord entirely we rookie em instead it rarely works.

Miller is no where near the standard of Tarrant Talia Or a bloke called Skinner or even Schlensog who has made a state team in wa at the same age.we are still HOPING he will improve enough just to warrant a regular game. Rhett Bazzo an 18 yo in the nd already looks more accomplished imo.

Even if we kept Nyuon on the list proper he appears to be nowhere near ready for AFL.

My point is i dont think we have a choice but go and look for some mature key defenders because we just dont have the youth coming thru in this area.
I have gone on about getting more talls into the system for ages imo we have been poor in this. Far too set on taking Half ruckmen Half Forward not quite either.
Or when we have taken a genuine kpp we have not invested too much lately in where we have got em in the draft and we have not taken a hell of a lot.
 

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My point is i dont think we have a choice but go and look for some mature key defenders because we just dont have the youth coming thru in this area.
I have gone on about getting more talls into the system for ages imo we have been poor in this. Far too set on taking Half ruckmen Half Forward not quite either.
Or when we have taken a genuine kpp we have not invested too much lately in where we have got em in the draft and we have not taken a hell of a lot.
Yes you certainly have gone on about it for ages , Well since 2015 from what i can remember

Yet we have won 3 premierships whilst you have been going on about our sh*t list and recruiting


Says more about your opinion than the clubs recruiting
 

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What youth Spluff. Nyuon delisted, Miiller already delisted and then placed on the list as a rookie, Garthwaite delisted.

We would never have delisted Miller if we were confident of him becoming a good KPD. Now the same has happened with Nyuon.

How often have we done this and it has ultimately failed we think they have some promise so instead of cutting the cord entirely we rookie em instead it rarely works.

Miller is no where near the standard of Tarrant Talia Or a bloke called Skinner or even Schlensog who has made a state team in wa at the same age.we are still HOPING he will improve enough just to warrant a regular game. Rhett Bazzo an 18 yo in the nd already looks more accomplished imo.

Even if we kept Nyuon on the list proper he appears to be nowhere near ready for AFL.

My point is i dont think we have a choice but go and look for some mature key defenders because we just dont have the youth coming thru in this area.
I have gone on about getting more talls into the system for ages imo we have been poor in this. Far too set on taking Half ruckmen Half Forward not quite either.
Or when we have taken a genuine kpp we have not invested too much lately in where we have got em in the draft and we have not taken a hell of a lot.
And yet despite not following your path, we’ve won 3 of the last 5 premiership flags? I think I’ll just trust the List Managers and recruiters until their strategy proves a failure.
P.S. I don’t disagree totally that we need more young actual KP players on the list
 

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What youth Spluff. Nyuon delisted, Miiller already delisted and then placed on the list as a rookie, Garthwaite delisted.

We would never have delisted Miller if we were confident of him becoming a good KPD. Now the same has happened with Nyuon.

How often have we done this and it has ultimately failed we think they have some promise so instead of cutting the cord entirely we rookie em instead it rarely works.

Miller is no where near the standard of Tarrant Talia Or a bloke called Skinner or even Schlensog who has made a state team in wa at the same age.we are still HOPING he will improve enough just to warrant a regular game. Rhett Bazzo an 18 yo in the nd already looks more accomplished imo.

Even if we kept Nyuon on the list proper he appears to be nowhere near ready for AFL.

My point is i dont think we have a choice but go and look for some mature key defenders because we just dont have the youth coming thru in this area.
I have gone on about getting more talls into the system for ages imo we have been poor in this. Far too set on taking Half ruckmen Half Forward not quite either.
Or when we have taken a genuine kpp we have not invested too much lately in where we have got em in the draft and we have not taken a hell of a lot.
I doubt they have demoted Miller and Nyuon because they think they are no good, they need to make space for the blokes they gave two year deals for, Castagna, Aarts, Caddy and for a handful of kids, 5 inside 30. To do that they have to reshuffle is my way of reading it. Stack is in the same boat as Miller, resigned just for a year with bigger things if all goes well down the track. I'm sure they rate Stack. Being a rookie list player these days doesn't mean a lot and all clubs are doing it to fit in the numbers in reduced lists and they don't need to be promoted to play.

Of course Miller is not of the standard that Tarrant is, who has been one of the best defenders in the league for a decade or so.

I also think we should be getting backup for Miller and Nyuon, if Skinner and Schlensog are any good then rookie one of them, we will need them because if we have an injury to Tarrant and Miller is promoted, then we have Nyuon as the only tall in the backline. Are they better than Miller, who knows, they might be. Miller has had a lot of injuries and absolutely no continuity in his footy due to that and Covid. Comparing Nyuon and Miller to WA boys who have played 2 full seasons of WAFL while our boys have been playing Gold Coast 14-16 a side practice matches and a few stop start VFL games is hardly fair.

Nyuon will be right up there next year in some respects. 198cm and 95kg, a freak athlete, a ruckman as a kid who is learning the CHB role. Is he going to do it in 8 or 9 VFL matches, of course not, but he looked pretty impressive in his last game and will have a good preseason up his sleeve.
 

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What youth Spluff. Nyuon delisted, Miiller already delisted and then placed on the list as a rookie, Garthwaite delisted.

We would never have delisted Miller if we were confident of him becoming a good KPD. Now the same has happened with Nyuon.

How often have we done this and it has ultimately failed we think they have some promise so instead of cutting the cord entirely we rookie em instead it rarely works.

Miller is no where near the standard of Tarrant Talia Or a bloke called Skinner or even Schlensog who has made a state team in wa at the same age.we are still HOPING he will improve enough just to warrant a regular game. Rhett Bazzo an 18 yo in the nd already looks more accomplished imo.

Even if we kept Nyuon on the list proper he appears to be nowhere near ready for AFL.

My point is i dont think we have a choice but go and look for some mature key defenders because we just dont have the youth coming thru in this area.
I have gone on about getting more talls into the system for ages imo we have been poor in this. Far too set on taking Half ruckmen Half Forward not quite either.
Or when we have taken a genuine kpp we have not invested too much lately in where we have got em in the draft and we have not taken a hell of a lot.
Mate Talia is cooked no brainer failed a medical.Means nothing they have been put on a rookie list club may want more list spots to draft still time to make it.
 

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I think he would have played earlier but he - along with the rest of our backline, bar Grimes - got injured.

There was a period of time when Astbury went down that Miller didn't play, despite being fit at the time. Think we played Garth instead or just went short.

Might have been work 2-4 games.

I just remember thinking what in the name of F is this C doing on our list if he can't get a game now.
 

Andyy

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Pretty sure that when Garth played, that's when Miller was injured.
Yeah Garth played pretty much all of his games this year when Balta + Broad went down after R15, when Miller was hurt.

Astbury was out injured R11-R15 inclusive, and this is when I really think Miller should have played as he was fit at the time. Only 4 games (bye in there) but I seriously question the club's decision not to play him then when he had Balta, Grimes + Broad to support/mentor him on the field.

Instead we went into games short-ish with only Grimes, Balta + Broad. Then we played Garth when Balta + Broad went down at the same time but Astbury came back in.
 

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Yeah Garth played pretty much all of his games this year when Balta + Broad went down after R15, when Miller was hurt.

Astbury was out injured R11-R15 inclusive, and this is when I really think Miller should have played as he was fit at the time. Only 4 games (bye in there) but I seriously question the club's decision not to play him then when he had Balta, Grimes + Broad to support/mentor him on the field.

Instead we went into games short-ish with only Grimes, Balta + Broad. Then we played Garth when Balta + Broad went down at the same time but Astbury came back in.
Problem was we were hanging on for a spot in the 8, so I reckon they didn't want to gamble on a newby. Weird at the time, but pressure does that. Then he got injured as you say.
 

Moppey

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Settle petal...😉🤭
Lol thats pretty normal for some like him.. Don't worry about it is all water off this ducks back and just makes me more determined to voice what people don't like to hear.

The simple truth is our recruiting of talls since Hardwick has been there has been pretty poor. Thats not to say we got a lot right the preceding 10 15 years apart from the odd good un here or there.

But hey we just dont get things wrong at Richmond we won some flags. so means we have got it all right!!!!!!!, woe to those who actually speak up and point out we have not got everything right and we could have do better when it comes to certain things.
yep we found a few in the nd who have carried us to a flag from 12 15 years ago but because of the way we go about it the barrel is now almost bare.
 

Rioli2Rioli

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Lol thats pretty normal for some like him.. Don't worry about it is all water off this ducks back and just makes me more determined to voice what people don't like to hear.

The simple truth is our recruiting of talls since Hardwick has been there has been pretty poor. Thats not to say we got a lot right the preceding 10 15 years apart from the odd good un here or there.

But hey we just dont get things wrong at Richmond we won some flags. so means we have got it all right!!!!!!!, woe to those who actually speak up and point out we have not got everything right and we could have do better when it comes to certain things.
yep we found a few in the nd who have carried us to a flag from 12 15 years ago but because of the way we go about it the barrel is now almost bare.
Maybe just stop talking crap and accept the fact that you have been bagging this clubs recruiting and list management since jesus was on the tit
Yet we have won 3 flags in the last 4 years . Are you just blind or not able to accept that you were WRONG and still are WRONG and not many on here likes your constant negativity regarding the same topic for years.

Take a look in the mirror mate and ask yourself why you support richmond , But your constant ass sniffing on the freo board indicates your loyalty
Freo board >>>>>>>>
 

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