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- Apr 29, 2012
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- Richmond
Having a "son" will almost guarantee he DOES NOT get to the tonne
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Will play another 5 and have another son and both will be too 10 prospects like that last Ben guyJust 99 more games and we have another father son prospect
We dont have much luck with Ben'sWill play another 5 and have another son and both will be too 10 prospects like that last Ben guy
Or LemonWe dont have much luck with Ben's
Griffiths was just no good even without the concussion issue's
We dont have much luck with Ben's
Griffiths was just no good even without the concussion issue's
I'm not sold on him like others... I don't think he will make it.Tarrant being traded and gibcus being drafted hasn't helped Miller.
It’s hard to sayI'm not sold on him like others... I don't think he will make it.
Will be like Garth, handy for back-up if/when needed, but won't hold down a spot.
Broad knew how to play footy, but I thought his physical attributes might let him down, but he's gone above and beyond.It’s hard to say
It certainly looks like that way but I also thought similar of Broad and Soldo both have become extremely important players
Same...I'm not sold on him like others... I don't think he will make it.
Will be like Garth, handy for back-up if/when needed, but won't hold down a spot.
I would suggest that Broad, who turned 24 in his first season with us, and played only 2 games in his first year, was an average player when he started. It wasn't until 2020 that he cemented his spot, having said that was probably leading our B&F before he went down this year.Broad knew how to play footy, but I thought his physical attributes might let him down, but he's gone above and beyond.
Miller has the physical attributes, I'm just not sure he knows how to play footy at that level, and that's something that can't always be taught IMO...
It's the part that's missing is what concerns me about Miller...
Don't get me wrong, if he makes it, it's one less hole we need to fill. And just because I don't think he will make it, doesn't mean I don't like him either.I would suggest that Broad, who turned 24 in his first season with us, and played only 2 games in his first year, was an average player when he started. It wasn't until 2020 that he cemented his spot, having said that was probably leading our B&F before he went down this year.
Grimes and Astbury likewise were no stars early on, obviously mainly due to injury, but even still it took them a long while to become the very good footballers they are, great player in regard to Grimes.
So whilst he has been at Richmond a good while, Miller has played 2 covid seasons in the VFL and has had his share of injuries, so has had no continuity in his footy at all. Reckon it is really hard to judge him one way or another. But like Broad and Grimes he has the athletic tools to buy him a bit of time, unlike Garthwaite, and hopefully he takes a similar road. If he comes on, he will be a big part of us going forward as he can play on the real talls like the King boys.
Agree with this, I guess my point is most players, especially key backs get better the more they play. Garth was missing the athleticism and size, so was always up against it, Miller has that over most his size, so he is half way there. Just needs to learn to play, which as you say is pretty important, but can be learned as well.Don't get me wrong, if he makes it, it's one less hole we need to fill. And just because I don't think he will make it, doesn't mean I don't like him either.
I agree he has all the athletic traits needed to make it, I just believe he's a bit "deer in the headlights" in game situations, and that's in the VFL, pretty hard to transition through that and do it at AFL level IMO.
It is hard to judge anyone after the last 2 years I agree, but on pure statistical turnover of the average AFL player, Ben is already up against it, and even the game against Hawthorn didn't scream...this kids got something... IMO of course.
I would suggest that Broad, who turned 24 in his first season with us, and played only 2 games in his first year, was an average player when he started. It wasn't until 2020 that he cemented his spot, having said that was probably leading our B&F before he went down this year.
Grimes and Astbury likewise were no stars early on, obviously mainly due to injury, but even still it took them a long while to become the very good footballers they are, great player in regard to Grimes.
So whilst he has been at Richmond a good while, Miller has played 2 covid seasons in the VFL and has had his share of injuries, so has had no continuity in his footy at all. Reckon it is really hard to judge him one way or another. But like Broad and Grimes he has the athletic tools to buy him a bit of time, unlike Garthwaite, and hopefully he takes a similar road. If he comes on, he will be a big part of us going forward as he can play on the real talls like the King boys.
Great player but unfortunately he was great for the eagles and just a humanitarian selection for RichmondWhere do you place Ben Cousins?
And the slightly longer version, Benny, has been kinda lucky for us.
Little bit more than that I reckon, no doubt bumped the membership, it was the year that previous we’ve had for a while and there’s no doubt even though he was a drug pig there wouldn’t have been many who out trained him.Great player but unfortunately he was great for the eagles and just a humanitarian selection for Richmond
Really? I thought he was more than serviceable in that last round. Great size, decent speed off the mark and a good kick from my observations.I'm not sold on him like others... I don't think he will make it.
Will be like Garth, handy for back-up if/when needed, but won't hold down a spot.
That Hawthorn game was a terrible standard if we are being honest. We had a VFL midfield in there on the day and still managed to match it with the Hawks. If he didn't look half decent that day, he never will to be honest. And who was he playing on, other VFL level forwards.Really? I thought he was more than serviceable in that last round. Great size, decent speed off the mark and a good kick from my observations.
I think he can make it
Maybe they just knew Garth had nothing more to give?, maybe Miller was the lesser of two evils?Well they delisted Garth and retained Miller & Nyoun. The selectors see something in him. Obviously taller than Garth. I think/feel he's good enough to play AFL level football. He is a bit injury prone and that meant Garth got a lot of games that Miller could have. I thought we missed a chance to play him in the games in Perth. vs Essadon, eagles.
I thought his debut was fine but Tarrant and Gibcus joining the club puts Miller back. He has to stay uninjured.
I think with mature recruits if you are going to take em you really should be certain they are capable of playing to the level.I agree. We picked the eyes out of it with Broad who has turned into a very handy player. If we give Miller a couple more years in a working system he could be at that level. There’s a bit to work with there.
The recruitment of Tarrant does Ben no favours
Tall AFL back's have to have speed unless they play like Astbury or Tarrant, strong bodies who reads the play well. Rance, Grimes, Broad and Miller are all really quick, massive advantage as they can play tall or small and are not a liability when the ball hits the deck.I think with mature recruits if you are going to take em you really should be certain they are capable of playing to the level.
Just my opinion there is plenty not playing AFL who would be solid players at the level.
Its something i have never been able to work out not just with us but most clubs, the reluctance to give older players a go who have the attributes to play afl dominate state leagues and afl players when they drop back.They cost nothing low pay usually F/A late N/D or rookied.
Broad fit this description but at age 23 we had an extra 5 yrs of experience to judge if he could play at the level or not and in that i think you should expect they get it right.
For what it is worth im happy to have Ben Miller he had great physical attributes for AFL happy to give him more time especially with such interruptions in recent years. Like others though i think its time he really did take a step up or two or he will be in trouble.
I was worried that he might follow a few others and leave when Tarrant came in. He didn't which means he is still in the development stage. 5-10 games (or a few more) would be fine for his development, learn the game without the pressure and make his claim proper the next year.... if as Hank H says he is any good.Could turn out to bethe opposite - Tarrant has an injury-marred body. He'll get a rested a little even if his injuries don't recur (hope they don't). If Ben gets to step up for 5-10 games it would be a very sweet intro.
Dont see how he is behind Broad. Nathan is NOT a kpd. Broady more often than not will get opposition mediums and shorter talls if that makes sense.He also provides a bit of run out of defense.Id best describe him as a tall medium.Any AFL game is a step up in all levels from VFL. If we had a depth midfield playing that day then that would be making our defence be under more pressure. So credit for the backline. Miller was 3rd tall after Astbury & Grimes. Did Some good defensive play on Koschitze who's a reasonable player. Their other "VFL players" were Ceglar & MCEvoy.
Unless Balta plays out of the backline Miller is behind Broad, Tarrant too and maybe Gibcus.
Our KPF depth Chol and CJ played the Hawks game so there are a lot of new faces, and players in new positions. Balta is the biggest qn mark.
I haven't seen anyone talk up Miller as if he's the next Rance. I, and most people here are happy he's stayed on the list. He is rookie list level resigned for another year. However, tall players like Garth, Miller & Nyoun are required to play in positions short players can't. Miller is first in line depth KPP.
You seem to be on a campaign against Ben. which is being rude to him. Good to have a discussion but give me video evidence of his poor performance. Or back off the boy.
Well put.Could turn out to bethe opposite - Tarrant has an injury-marred body. He'll get a rested a little even if his injuries don't recur (hope they don't). If Ben gets to step up for 5-10 games it would be a very sweet intro.