Delisted #46: Mitchell Hibberd - Not offered a contract for 2021

[TheGrizz]

Dodo living in the past its all about recruiting big body mids first aka fyfe, danger, Cripps, selwood, ablett etc the last 15 years but someone forgot to tell dodo lol

Rubbish. Midfielders are important but you need a strong spine to win

You go through the premier of the last 15 years. Apart from the bulldogs as an anomaly, all of them had strong spine and players in key position.
Richmond: Riewoldt, Grimes, Lynch and Rance
WCE: Kennedy, Darling, McGovern
Hawthorn: Lake, Roughead, Frawley (big $$$ FA) and Buddy when he was there
Sydney: Rampe, Richard, Goodes
Geelong: Scarlett Harley/Taylor, Hawkins Mooney etc
Collingwood: Reid (prime) Brown, Cloke

How many premiership have Fyfe and Danger won anyway?
Btw, Selwood is 182cm and 80kg. That is basically Shiel and Parish size. Not what id call a big bodied mid.

 

[darrenbewick#8]

Rubbish. Midfielders are important but you need a strong spine to win

You go through the premier of the last 15 years. Apart from the bulldogs as an anomaly, all of them had strong spine and players in key position.
Richmond: Riewoldt, Grimes, Lynch and Rance
WCE: Kennedy, Darling, McGovern
Hawthorn: Lake, Roughest, Frawley (big $$$ FA) and Buddy when he was there
Sydney: Rampe, Richard, Goodes
Geelong: Scarlett Harley/Taylor, Hawkins Mooney etc
Collingwood: Reid (prime) Brown, Cloke

How many premiership have Fyfe and Danger won anyway?
Btw, Selwood is 182cm and 80kg. That is basically Shiel and Parish size. Not what id call a big bodied mid.

Agree to disagree

 

[darrenbewick#8]

Neither Ablett or Selwood are big bodied mids FYI

OK the Bont, dusty martin, yeo, shuey, Burgoyne, mitchell instead get it?

 

[darrenbewick#8]

Rubbish. Midfielders are important but you need a strong spine to win

You go through the premier of the last 15 years. Apart from the bulldogs as an anomaly, all of them had strong spine and players in key position.
Richmond: Riewoldt, Grimes, Lynch and Rance
WCE: Kennedy, Darling, McGovern
Hawthorn: Lake, Roughest, Frawley (big $$$ FA) and Buddy when he was there
Sydney: Rampe, Richard, Goodes
Geelong: Scarlett Harley/Taylor, Hawkins Mooney etc
Collingwood: Reid (prime) Brown, Cloke

How many premiership have Fyfe and Danger won anyway?
Btw, Selwood is 182cm and 80kg. That is basically Shiel and Parish size. Not what id call a big bodied mid.

Dustin martin, the Bont, Mitchell, Burgoyne, shuey, kennedy, yeo instead

 

[darrenbewick#8]

You should apply when Dodo retires. You're all over it.

Too busy in my job putting the cat amongst the pigeons atm

 

[eth-dog]

Dustin martin, the Bont, Mitchell, Burgoyne, shuey, kennedy, yeo instead

Mitchell is 182 cm, Shuey 183, Burgoyne 186 (not small but not tall either), Martin 187. Keep digging.

 

[darrenbewick#8]

Mitchell is 182 cm, Shuey 183, Burgoyne 186 (not small but not tall either), Martin 187. Keep digging.

They are big bodied if you can open your eyes ETH, its not just about height, also you left out Kennedy, yeo and the Bont conveniently, keep scratching doggy

 

[Haychh]

The ironic thing is Gary Ablett started his career as a small forward, where he stayed for years before moving into the midfield. Literally the same type of player that everyone hates Dodoro drafting.

Another thing that occurs to me is that out of your list - Fyfe, Danger and Cripps haven't won any flags. Selwood won his whilst he was a youngster that was a good player but wasn't really a key leader of the team (well maybe 2011). Cripps is supposedly the best thing since sliced bread even though I don't think his team has ever won 10 games in a season since he's been a regular.

Ablett is the definition of the exception and not the rule. He was blessed with freakish talent and was too good not to be played in the midfield.

 

[darrenbewick#8]

Ablett is the definition of the exception and not the rule. He was blessed with freakish talent and was too good not to be played in the midfield.

Was big bodied too.

 

[Knox Harrington]

Where's Xavier Menzies.
By the sounds of him in tipping he's a big bodied inside source

 

[TheGreatBarryB]

Neale is 177cm and as inside mid as you can get.

 

[eth-dog]

They are big bodied if you can open your eyes ETH, its not just about height, also you left out Kennedy, yeo and the Bont conveniently, keep scratching doggy

Well 3 out of 7 really prove your point. Well done

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Every time you see a highlights reel you think... boy this kid can play. 99% of the time it doesn't work out that way.

Unfortunately for Mitch his highlights reel is completely the opposite. Maybe it'll work out differently?

 

[owen87]

They are big bodied if you can open your eyes ETH, its not just about height, also you left out Kennedy, yeo and the Bont conveniently, keep scratching doggy

Correct, it’s not just about height.

Langford and Heppell are both tall.

The difference between them and Selwood or Mitchell is that the latter two are aggressive inside players even though they’re smaller.

 

[Foxx]

For every big bodied mid, I’ll show you an equally adept smaller mid.

 

[Yoda_]

For all this talk of how big is an inside mid, perhaps it should be stated the inside mid should be replaced with clearance king?

Ideally we get a bigger dynamic inside midfielder, Hibberd fills a role for us at the moment.

 

[Fin ice Smuggler]

For all this talk of how big is an inside mid, perhaps it should be stated the inside mid should be replaced with clearance king?

Ideally we get a bigger dynamic inside midfielder, Hibberd fills a role for us at the moment.

Exactly All hibberd has to do is help get the ball out to Shiel, Merrett and co and not be a liability on defence. Keep it simple and we should see some big improvements from our midfield.

 

[astrowizzle]

This dudes an axe, is aggressive, strong and looks like he enjoys rough stuff. Got me won over already

 

[yodellinhank]

For all this talk of how big is an inside mid, perhaps it should be stated the inside mid should be replaced with clearance king?

Ideally we get a bigger dynamic inside midfielder, Hibberd fills a role for us at the moment.

What is Luke Ball's job?

 

[BrunoV]

Can someone tell me why now and not 6 months ago?

If we thought he was good enough why not grab earlier and get look at AFL level.

Seems a weird strategy but I'm happy to be corrected.

I do wonder whether pandering to the egos of the B graders we pretend are A graders traps us. Becomes this self-fulfilling thing because we're a big club that likes to talk ourselves up.

Senior players at clubs rule the roost and they rarely change.

 

[BrunoV]

Every time you see a highlights reel you think... boy this kid can play. 99% of the time it doesn't work out that way.

Unfortunately for Mitch his highlights reel is completely the opposite. Maybe it'll work out differently?

The one thing I'd say in response to this is that he'll be the sort of player who is a s**t load more effective at the higher level at least on the ball (i.e. in possession) where we need him to distribute from the inside to the likes of Merrett and Shiel. I have some reservations about him off the ball (but it's more of a hunch than anything I can say I've seen).

I would prefer him in this distributing role to every other player on the list. That's equal parts a compliment and recognition of how bad our options are.

His strengths don't come without their problems and I reckon that he'll really only be able to play as a top 4 or 5 mid. Given his speed it's likely we'll only see him, at least initially, if Heppell isn't playing.

While I think he should play a lot of football I would not be surprise if he got 30 every week in the VFL and was then de-listed without ever being given a shot. It's a reality that not everyone gets the chance his form/ability warrants.

 

[Milanista28]

Being big isn't the formula being aggressive is, the rare types who are both big and aggressive (other attributes as well) are called superstars and there aren't many of them.

 

[Daniel Bradford]

I actually thought that was a good trade. Grabbed 63, a future Third and a future Fourth. We don’t have a future second or third but we grabbed Geelongs, and got a future Fourth of West Coast too. Considering we have a few NGA’s rated top 50 we will need the points.

Who do we have coming through? They any good? Do you have any links? Cheers

 

[Daniel Bradford]

I was pretty crook last night but I'm okay now. We've filled our needs, even if they weren't prioritised the way I'd hoped. And yes, I also still hope we're looking at other list managers.

It's interesting that you would go back to our drafting 20 years ago though. Dodoro learned about list building from Sheedy, and is documented as saying Sheeds taught him to build the spine first and then build around that. Our first two picks last night, according to the 20 years ago strategy, were talls. Go figure.

Didn't he just get promoted in the last 24 months? Looks like we're stuck with him for awhile

 

[Daniel Bradford]

Can someone tell me why now and not 6 months ago?

If we thought he was good enough why not grab earlier and get look at AFL level.

Seems a weird strategy but I'm happy to be corrected.

Maybe half a season wasn't enough exposed form? Did he play the year before or have a 'gap year'?