Play Nice 46th President of the United States: Joe Biden (1) O Brave New World

[spinynorman]

AOC selling out. Donates $160K to establishment democrats who hate her. They chucked the bribes back at her.

The difference between the K-Hive and the "Bernie Bros" is the latter are more ideologically driven, and so you are seeing rifts now among people disappointed in AOC recently and willing to criticise her, where the article I posted about the K-Hive mentions her lack of ideology translates to them being something more of a cult of personality.

Anyway,

 

[GreyCrow]

Wondering if those who thought “Bernie Bros” were out of control and were their primary reason to oppose him, and who likewise had issues with Trump supporters, feel the same way about the lunatic KHive of mad Kamala stans.

Please dont get sucked into the '' fans tweet loud noise'' clickbait spewed by all media

They share videos of Harris stepping off Air Force Two, make offline friendships, and wear socks and hoodies bearing her name and likeness. They organize virtual “cooking Sunday” parties and offer support to other hive members.

lol

There will always be a group of twatters that will make a loud noise and attach a hashtag - means nothing

 

[spinynorman]

Please dont get sucked into the '' fans tweet loud noise'' clickbait spewed by all media

They share videos of Harris stepping off Air Force Two, make offline friendships, and wear socks and hoodies bearing her name and likeness. They organize virtual “cooking Sunday” parties and offer support to other hive members.

lol

There will always be a group of twatters that will make a loud noise and attach a hashtag - means nothing

I actually agree with your broader point (and even when otherwise it’s generally inadvisable to attack ordinary voters too strongly, when the criticisms should generally be aimed at the politicians themselves), but I had a year of being called a misogynist and whatever else for supporting Sanders because somewhere a Bernie supporter was mean online. I was just wondering if the same people feel the same way about Kamala and all her supporters because of some of her campaignerish ones (as well as the harmless weirdos you pointed out in your quote).

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

You literally can't win with you guys, if Biden carries on with Trump's policy for some reason you're suddenly concerned with the morality of locking up asylum seekers, if he softens the policy you pretend to worry about the humanity of people you've never shown the slightest care for in the past.

Being a progressive means having a conscience or at the very least paying lip service to having a conscience.

Being a conservative* means going * you to having a conscience until it’s politically expedient to suddenly snatch one from the left’s locker room.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Might have to try a fresh tack, disunited Repugnicans:

The scandal that wasn’t: Republicans deflated as nation shrugs at Hunter Biden revelations

Trump and his allies foresaw a ticking timebomb centred on the president’s son – but it has not turned out that way

www.theguardian.com

 

[spinynorman]

With support for Bolsonaro badly slumping eighteen months out from the next election (and the clearing of the extremely popular Lula to run against him), Biden is entering negotiations with Bolsonaro regarding the Amazon, seeking a big deal to announce ahead of a large global climate forum later this month.

Activists are concerned that only Bolsonaro and members of his Government, one of the most environmentally destructive and dangerous on the planet, have been given a voice in the forum, that the proposed billion dollar payment to reduce illegal forest clearances is tantamount to rewarding bad behaviour and will give Bolsonaro a boost ahead of what appears to be a difficult re-election campaign. But after the Latin American right-wing surge seems to be winding back with Venezuela holding out, Bolivia defeating the coup, and Argentina and Mexico both electing left-wing governments (and Ecuador possibly following suit this weekend), will the United States give aide to try to prop up the horrendous Brazilian government?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

FireKrakouer Balls In I assume you applaud Biden's decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan?

You were both super keen on Trump ending "forever wars" so presumably you think Biden's decision is a winner?

 

[spinynorman]

I know you're a bit of a bootlicker but here's a more recent article quoting US military figures who are sceptical at the CIA's claims

Top general: Intel doesn't prove Russia paid bounties for U.S. troops

"It just has not been proved to a level of certainty that satisfies me," Gen. Frank McKenzie told NBC News. McKenzie oversees U.S. troops in Afghanistan.

www.google.com

Another, probably final, update today - US intel walks back claim Russians put bounties on American troops.

Won't stop people referencing it for years to come, sadly.

 

[Brunswick Trap King]

Another, probably final, update today - US intel walks back claim Russians put bounties on American troops.

Won't stop people referencing it for years to come, sadly.

It was crazy so many people took a story this improbable as gospel.

 

[Chief]

With support for Bolsonaro badly slumping eighteen months out from the next election (and the clearing of the extremely popular Lula to run against him), Biden is entering negotiations with Bolsonaro regarding the Amazon, seeking a big deal to announce ahead of a large global climate forum later this month.

Activists are concerned that only Bolsonaro and members of his Government, one of the most environmentally destructive and dangerous on the planet, have been given a voice in the forum, that the proposed billion dollar payment to reduce illegal forest clearances is tantamount to rewarding bad behaviour and will give Bolsonaro a boost ahead of what appears to be a difficult re-election campaign. But after the Latin American right-wing surge seems to be winding back with Venezuela holding out, Bolivia defeating the coup, and Argentina and Mexico both electing left-wing governments (and Ecuador possibly following suit this weekend), will the United States give aide to try to prop up the horrendous Brazilian government?

Can you interpret it as getting in while Bolso is desperate for a deal? Then again who would trust him with anything?

 

[spinynorman]

It was crazy so many people took a story this improbable as gospel.

They basically just came up with the inversion of the 1980s, where Americans paid Islamic fundamentalists to kill Soviet soldiers in Afghanistan

 

[spinynorman]

Can you interpret it as getting in while Bolso is desperate for a deal? Then again who would trust him with anything?

Possibly, but he's so erratic he's spent the past few months pushing both Xi and Biden away, a strategy that is pretty unique to him among world leaders. But he's undoubtedly rattled by the potential comeback of Lula, and Biden's reaffirming the (increasingly ludicrous) recognition of Guaido as Venezuelan President and his condemnation of the new Bolivian Government for prosecuting the coup government for their coup and the killings of protesters they oversaw indicates he's maintaining Trump's aggressive stance against the socialists of Latin America.

I came across this article today (in Portuguese but can be translated through Google), that Bolsonaro has written Biden a letter promising to stop illegal deforestation by 2030 - as though the Brazilian Government doesn't have the responsibility to stop illegal deforestation now.

 

[Balls In]

FireKrakouer Balls In I assume you applaud Biden's decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan?

You were both super keen on Trump ending "forever wars" so presumably you think Biden's decision is a winner?

On the surface good. But do you think the Taliban are more inclined to go roaring back into the void seeing America now have a weak president?

What to you think about the hypocrisy of Biden and all his media hacks who called that move reckless 3 months ago when Trump suggested it?

Do you think the sanctions Chi Bi Dien has put on Russia have anything to do with Ukraine having dirt on the big guy?

Is Joe's move to stack the court (and make it a rubber stamp for the White House) a good idea?

Is the $5t is spending a good idea?

Is scrapping the filibuster good?

Are voter Id's racist?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

On the surface good. But do you think the Taliban are more inclined to go roaring back into the void seeing America now have a weak president?

So ending the "forever wars" is now a sign of weakness?

You've changed your tune.

What to you think about the hypocrisy of Biden and all his media hacks who called that move reckless 3 months ago when Trump suggested it?

Do you think the sanctions Chi Bi Dien has put on Russia have anything to do with Ukraine having dirt on the big guy?

Is Joe's move to stack the court (and make it a rubber stamp for the White House) a good idea?

Is the $5t is spending a good idea?

Is scrapping the filibuster good?

Are voter Id's racist?

Don't change the subject.

You must think Biden is awesome for ending America's longest war. That was your position under Trump and I know how much you value rational consistency.

You praised Trump for doing it so you must now also praise Biden for doing it. Right? You must think it's great.

 

[Balls In]

So ending the "forever wars" is now a sign of weakness?

You've changed your tune.

Don't change the subject.

You must think Biden is awesome for ending America's longest war. That was your position under Trump and I know how much you value rational consistency.

You praised Trump for doing it so you must now also praise Biden for doing it. Right? You must think it's great.

Of course its good to get out of dead end wars but you do need to know what you are doing. Trump was getting out and s**t was improving due to his holistic middle east policy (that he deserved a peace price for). In contrast Obama "got out" of Syria, showered Iran with gifts and wtf - created ISIS. Biden is of that ilk imo but let see how it goes. Good to get out though, yes.

Now I have thrown you a bone what of my other points?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Of course its good to get out of dead end wars but you do need to know what you are doing. Trump was getting out and sh*t was improving due to his holistic middle east policy (that he deserved a peace price for). In contrast Obama "got out" of Syria, showered Iran with gifts and wtf - created ISIS. Biden is of that ilk imo but let see how it goes. Good to get out though, yes.

Look at your ridiculous tap dance.

You slid off your chair when Trump did it. Now you want to backpedal and hedge when Biden does it. It's embarrassing.

And let's not pretend you know enough about anything to explain Trump's "holistic Middle East policy".

As for ISIS, the seeds were sown when the Iraqi army was disbanded. That occurred under Bush and had nothing to do with Obama. But you wouldn't know that. Because you don't know anything.

But tell me, what do you think Obama should have done in Syria? You claim to favour non-interventionism but criticise Obama for not intervening? You just make it up as you go along, don't you?

Now I have thrown you a bone what of my other points?

What points?

I saw a series of unrelated questions that made no point whatsoever.

 

[Balls In]

Look at your ridiculous tap dance.

You slid off your chair when Trump did it. Now you want to backpedal and hedge when Biden does it. It's embarrassing.

And let's not pretend you know enough about anything to explain Trump's "holistic Middle East policy".

As for ISIS, the seeds were sown when the Iraqi army was disbanded. That occurred under Bush and had nothing to do with Obama. But you wouldn't know that. Because you don't know anything.

But tell me, what do you think Obama should have done in Syria? You claim to favour non-interventionism but criticise Obama for not intervening? You just make it up as you go along, don't you?

What points?

I saw a series of unrelated questions that made no point whatsoever.

This is why I can't be bothered with you. I responded honestly, that yes it was good but I have reservations that Joe can pull it off. Asked you a couple of questions of my own. This is how you respond?

Seeya.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

This is why I can't be bothered with you. I responded honestly, that yes it was good but I have reservations that Joe can pull it off. Asked you a couple of questions of my own. This is how you respond?

Seeya.

You didn't respond honestly. You're incapable of that.

You hedged and then sought to change the subject while throwing in a handful of obvious distortions for good measure.

As long as this remains your standus operatus, you should expect to be regarded with contempt.

Your bad faith bullshit is so obvious.

 

[Balls In]

You didn't respond honestly. You're incapable of that.

You hedged and then sought to change the subject while throwing in a handful of obvious distortions for good measure.

As long as this remains your standus operatus, you should expect to be regarded with contempt.

Your bad faith bullshit is so obvious.

You aren't very good at this are you?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

You aren't very good at this are you?

Sit down. Stop pretending.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

Because you don't know anything.

This is all you needed to say.

Because Ballsy proves his ignorance with every post.

 

[GreyCrow]

Do you think the sanctions Chi Bi Dien has put on Russia have anything to do with Ukraine having dirt on the big guy?

no more than Putin's golden dirt on Trump

Is Joe's move to stack the court (and make it a rubber stamp for the White House) a good idea

link?

Is the $5t is spending a good idea?

Is scrapping the filibuster good?

yes
Yes

Are voter Id's racist?

No

 

[ChappyUK]

Finally some life in this thread. Was starting to look like the thread was imitating Biden.

 

[Lethality]

Biden temporarily adopts Trump's record low immigration intake to combat the surge. Another example of good intentions on immigration meeting reality.

The solution IMO is to pump money into Central America so that there is no need for mass immigration in the first place. Plus you also make the world a nicer place. But IDK what I'm talking about. It sounds like a nice idea though.

 

[Ants]

Not sure if this is the thread for it so please delete if not mods (I don't want to derail).

From my reading of the situation (pre-Covid travel to the USA at least 4 times per year, lots of US contacts and friends of both political parties) the number one issue for main stream Democrats is gun control. For Republicans it is border control. Yes the far left of the Dems want open borders and the far right of the Republicans want lots of guns - but I am talking about the 70% majority of each.

So if I was Joe Biden I would say I can see the benefits to immigration reform because we need to look after America first. We have enough Americans living in poverty and needing social welfare - we can't import more. I am going to finish the wall. I am going to stop Sanctuary Cities, open borders etc. Any genuine Dreamers pre 2011 (or whenever Obama did it) that have not committed crimes we will work on a pathway to citizenship. Anyone outside of that either leave or face deportation. We will adopt a visa and migration program focused on benefiting America with X amount for humanitarian grounds. So give the Republicans a reasonable immigration program they can support without letting everyone stay. Over 80% of the country would support that.

Then say in exchange for us moving to the centre on immigration, Republicans you need to move to the centre on guns. That means banning insane machine guns, things that are military weapons etc. It means all guns needing to be registered. Proper background checks including mental health. You can never eliminate guns entirely but you can regulate them much more effectively. It is American culture if you want to be able to hunt, use it for target practice and legitimate self defence - so that is fine. But the rest zero chance. People being able to buy parts and make guns outside the system - nope that is over. Again over 80% of the country would support that because it is sensible.

If he wanted to be a reformist President - I would do that.

The irony of it all is the Democrats could have had immigration reform and gun control under Trump if they did not act like sore losers and run conspiracy theories for 4 years. The guy was the art of the deal - he would have agreed on the above in 30 seconds.

I would also try and trade unlimited abortion up to X point in pregnancy (not medical enough to know when) unless the Mother's health is at risk (in which case anytime) in exchange for agreeing to the death penalty in all States where juries vote for it and where strict conditions are satisfied. But then I am both pro abortion and pro death penalty

Hmm, you don't seem to know much about American politics. No president of either side would do that deal.

A republican one wouldn't because (a) they know 'the wall' was a silly idea and wouldn't do any good, (b) his supporters would hate having their guns taken away (c) the main people who would notice the stopping of illegal immigrants are the businesses and farms who need cheap labour and would scream bloody murder (who are predominantly Trump supporters). So a Republican president would piss off his left and right.

A Democrat president would never do it because (a) guns are important, but not in the top issues to his base, (b) the wall is a bad idea and wouldn't stop much (c) the Republicans wouldn't give up anywhere near enough on guns to be anywhere near worth it (d) they'd be pissing off a group of future voters that Dems need to try and win back the south and (e) banning guns is a longer term solution, not a shorter term one, so it wouldn't have much benefits for their term of office.

And it would be unlikely either type of president could get such a bill through congress.

Abortion and capital punishment aren't even federal issues, so a president couldn't do much on either anyway!

Oh i dont know - maybe the incessant Russia angle for the entire 4 years for one?

The issue that a Trump appointed assistant attorney general who is a Republican started an investigation into, run by a Republican law officer, which was one of the most successful investigations (in terms of indictments) every at a Federal level and that had a report white-washed by a Trump appointed AG that despite that clearly states that if the President could be prosecuted he should be? The one the media kept on reporting on because it kept on indicting people?

Or do you mean the one where Trump called on Russia to hack the emails, and they did it?

Or do you mean the one with Ukraine where Trump clearly committed illegal acts, and the Republicans in the senate didn't even call witnesses or hold a trial because they knew it would make him look guilty?

Biden temporarily adopts Trump's record low immigration intake to combat the surge. Another example of good intentions on immigration meeting reality.

The solution IMO is to pump money into Central America so that there is no need for mass immigration in the first place. Plus you also make the world a nicer place. But IDK what I'm talking about. It sounds like a nice idea though.

The main solution would be to legalise drugs, then encourage those countries to legally export them, and switch the current monetary support to fight drugs to supporting infrastructure. Would be a source of legal money for those countries while stopping the funding of criminals and corruption.