Play Nice 46th President of the United States: Joe Biden (1) O Brave New World

[Balls In]

Rubbish. You're drinking the Kool Aid if you believe that. "Millions" of illegals prevented from entering? As if.

This year 116,000 unaccompanied minors are set to enter the US alone

 

[Blue1980]

I don't think most agree with that at all, there are some who don't care if the dems go back on their promises because "at least they aren't Trump"

Then once someone much smarter and much worse than Trump comes along in 4-8 years time for the GOP and manage to become president (Ted Cruz or some sh*t), they'd be wondering why people voted for him. "It must be racism and sexism!"

Many of the 8 who voted against it will have their reelect campaign funded by the dems, because they're doing what they're supposed to, for the party. It has to be progressives primarying those pricks

It can be both.

You can be disappointed in the dems and think they should do more, but still think it’s better than whatever craziness the GQP are about.

I think it’s been discussed unanimously that dems stuffed up 2016 by stage managing Hillary as the candidate then being very complacent about it just assuming they’d win.

 

[LuvtheKangas]

He explained what he intended to do multiple times. Over and over at his rallys, interviews you name it

How about you point me to it, or summarise it in a lucid manner?

You keep pumping out the slogans that Trump hoped the gullible would swallow. Where is the substance?

 

[Blue1980]

Biden's going just great. He just signs whatever his handlers put in front of him.

There goes the energy sector, borders, Syrian airstrikes, fuel price rises and all while not bothering to answer any questions.

So is he a radical or not doing enough?

Are you for or against $15 minimum wage?

What do you want for cheques going out to people? More or less?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

This year 116,000 unaccompanied minors are set to enter the US alone

So, that is 11.6% of 1 million. And it is 1.6% of ten million, if you're talking millions. Hardly likely to make a significant impact.

And you assert that these minors are taking jobs, is that it? LOL, you didn't think that one through.

Don't you realise how foolish you look every time you attempt to justify your bias that is clearly based on gullibility, not understanding?

 

[Blue1980]

Nah not you but it was a common refrain that the Trump administration was too Trump centric and he didn't commaborate enough. He is hardly a yes man who's going to sign anything put in front of him. Far from it.

He’d largely not care about a lot of things then randomly put his foot down on things (like the $2000 cheques thing in December).

He’s a guy who wants power for the sake of power, there is a lot of stuff with the job that doesn’t interest him.

 

[Blue1980]

The country was flying up until Covid

Lots of his policies improved the lives of Americans and his foreign policies in particular were excellent

He’d increased the debt more than any president ever, even before covid.

Reduced taxes for rich and made up for that by, nothing.

Economy rolled along from what had begun in 2010, until covid.

 

[Cooldude]

It can be both.

You can be disappointed in the dems and think they should do more, but still think it’s better than whatever craziness the GQP are about.

I think it’s been discussed unanimously that dems stuffed up 2016 by stage managing Hillary as the candidate then being very complacent about it just assuming they’d win.

The bar is low if Democrats' entire branding is "we aren't the GOP", while upholding most of GOP's policies and governing pretty similarly to them

It's all essentially just a cyclic show:

1. GOP gets in because Democrats suck
2. Then people realise GOP are demons
3. Dems get in because they aren't the GOP
4. Then people realise Democrats are also coldhearted bastards

Rinse and repeat

That record's been played for the past 40 odd years, it's why America is such a s**t place. That's why people blindly defending the Dems are just weird, they are part of the problem

 

[Blue1980]

Rubbish. You're drinking the Kool Aid if you believe that. "Millions" of illegals prevented from entering? As if.

Please go on and on - explain to me that you understand the slogans you keep repeating.

Yes where were these millions of illegals coming from that were stopped?

 

[Balls In]

So, that is 11.6% of 1 million. And it is 1.6% of ten million, if you're talking millions. Hardly likely to make a significant impact.

And you assert that these minors are taking jobs, is that it? LOL, you didn't think that one through.

Don't you realise how foolish you look every time you attempt to justify your bias that is clearly based on gullibility, not understanding?

That is just "unacompanied" kids. Those smuggled in by the cartels. What about all of the adults and families that arent unaccompanied? What do you think happens when the extended families of the unaccompanied kids apply for entry? What do you think is also happening among all this people movement thats being run by the cartels?

 

[LuvtheKangas]

That is just "unacompanied" kids. Those smuggled in by the cartels. What about all of the adults and families that arent unaccompanied? What do you think happens when the extended families of the unaccompanied kids apply for entry? What do you think is also happening among all this people movement thats being run by the cartels?

So, which of these groups are the "millions" of illegals that you refer to, that would be taking US jobs?

116k unaccompanied minors?

The adults and families that aren't unaccompanied? Doesn't that mean they are entering legally?

The families that apply for entry? Well, that's the definition of legal entry, isn't it?

Do yourself a favour and apply a little bit of critical thinking to the stories that you embrace. There is zero support for your "millions of illegals" call, you are falling for propaganda that has no basis in fact.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Nah not you but it was a common refrain that the Trump administration was too Trump centric and he didn't commaborate enough. He is hardly a yes man who's going to sign anything put in front of him. Far from it.

FFS this was the POTUS who had to have security briefings presented in stick figures so he could comprehend them - even then he gave them a miss.
Did you lose track of the amount of s**t he signed only to criticise the same thing days later?
Policy decisions never kept the Donald up at night my friend

 

[Bareth Garry]

Just on the subject of foreign policy I find it perculiar how little coverage it got that Trump fiddled with the numbers by removing a transparency rule on reporting the number of airstrikes. Yet he still broke the record. People criticise Obama for his numbers and that's fine. But if you criticise him but ignore Trump who bombed more in 4 years despite making the numbers to flatter him you're being dishonest.

Under Donald Trump, drone strikes far exceed Obama's numbers

Trump has escalated the number of U.S. drone strikes overseas, and made the program even more secretive.

chicago.suntimes.com

Don’t Forget: Civilian Casualties Are Skyrocketing Under Trump

Amid the impeachment inquiry, it’s important to remember that Donald Trump has committed other moral crimes — like the slaughter of civilians abroad.

theintercept.com

Trump revokes Obama rule on reporting drone strike deaths

The US will not have to publish how many civilians are killed in drone strikes outside of war zones.

www.bbc.com

 

[JW2468]

Damn, the guy just let 500k people died from COVID on his watch, why am I such a hater?

with it or from it?

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

He’d increased the debt more than any president ever, even before covid.

Reduced taxes for rich and made up for that by, nothing.

Economy rolled along from what had begun in 2010, until covid.

> Couldn't get GDP over 3% in any year despite massive stimulus spending and tax cuts ( you don't start a trade war if you want growth)
> Overstated job creation figures constantly
> US ability to generate revenue severely lessened by his tax policy - can they generate a surplus in the future?
> Economic genius though - only Leader to ever have an overseas trading partner pay for tariffs on their exports

 

[Cooldude]

No way Trump knew any legislation he was signing, he can't even read

 

[ChappyUK]

Just power for the sake of power are his and much of the GOPs goals.

And whine about mr potato head and dr Seuss, they’d make you believe Biden made an executive order to cancel them both.

Meanwhile they have no politics, no ideas to make anything better.

Their just totally moronic.

I mean if you have more conservative small government beliefs, fine, express them and articulate what they are. The Trump GOP now is just an empty vessel power grab.

 

[Schneebly11]

That record's been played for the past 40 odd years, it's why America is such a sh*t place. That's why people blindly defending the Dems are just weird, they are part of the problem

By Australian or European or other Western nation standards the US Democrats are a pathetic political party. Can’t institute universal healthcare, can’t institute gun control, can’t withdraw US troops from overseas, cant institute basic workers rights, can’t fix the nation’s homelessness or crime problems, despite all the rhetoric they push.

But they get a leg up when compared the insane religious fundamentalist far right extremists that are US Republicans, who are now insane religious fundamentalist far right extremists with a cult leader.

 

[Blue1980]

The bar is low if Democrats' entire branding is "we aren't the GOP", while upholding most of GOP's policies and governing pretty similarly to them

It's all essentially just a cyclic show:

1. GOP gets in because Democrats suck
2. Then people realise GOP are demons
3. Dems get in because they aren't the GOP
4. Then people realise Democrats are also coldhearted bastards

Rinse and repeat

That record's been played for the past 40 odd years, it's why America is such a sh*t place. That's why people blindly defending the Dems are just weird, they are part of the problem

I don’t think the dems have done much wrong yet. We are barely 1.5 months in and a lot has changed.

Was always unlikely the $15 minimum wage would get up straight away, I still think you will see a significant increase in it.

The cheques are going out, with some modifications.

Just remember, this is with no bipartisan support.

I think it would be nuts to claim they’re just governing the same as GOP were in the Trump term.

 

[Blue1980]

> Couldn't get GDP over 3% in any year despite massive stimulus spending and tax cuts ( you don't start a trade war if you want growth)
> Overstated job creation figures constantly
> US ability to generate revenue severely lessened by his tax policy - can they generate a surplus in the future?
> Economic genius though - only Leader to ever have an overseas trading partner pay for tariffs on their exports

Well we know from his career as a fake billionaire, debt doesn’t bother Trump

 

[Blue1980]

They’re, happy?

Anywho, explain the content of my post being wrong.

 

[jatz14]

They’re, happy?

Anywho, explain the content of my post being wrong.

Even conservative commentators (the non insane ones anyway), are starting to comment on the Republicans being a political party whose only idea is to complain about liberals.

I couldn't name one GOP policy or goal other than to own the libtards. Not an original thought ir coherent, or even incoherent, policy among them.

On moto g(6) plus using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Saint]

Ok so not 9%. Stupidly read an article that was more social media than media. My bad.

You only made it to around 60% though of a 1.9t bill.

Also is the state and local government payments focused or is it just a bailout?

Only 22% payments is a bit of a joke in itself seeing as another 16m people just got culled from being eligible.

All those other items like food stamps etc. Add up. A lot more Americans are living on the bread-line than at many other times in history.

Whether those payments are focused or not is completely separate to your point that it was pork-barrelling. You can hardly say something is pork if it goes to everyone. It's when the Govt picks and chooses that they should be accused of Pork-Barrelling.

They've done the opposite in this case and the GOP are accusing both of pork barrelling and of not being focused enough. Which is obviously counter-intuitive.

You've done exactly the same thing. Because that's what you read on Fox/Breitbart. DOn't worry, there are about 60 million voters who fall for the same stuff. There's also about 14 million rich people who are selling these bridges to the 60 million.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Stupidly read an article that was more social media than media. My bad.

This would be a good signature for you Chappy

 

[Saint]

Biden's policies actually exist, which is more than can be said for Trump's.

Trump's only legislative economic policy change was taxing the rich and corporations less. Not to cut the deficit, just as a direct hand-out and it ballooned the debt. Even then, running a trillion dollar deficit, the economy was never growing faster than it did under Obama. Pointing to the stock market as a measure of success was a good grift. It was basically just the result of the companies using the tax cuts for share buy-backs. Essentially it's US Govt Debt going into share portfolios of the very rich. This resulted in less money for things like pandemic control (the aforementioned bill cut that team, along with the CDC team in China which could have led to much faster containment in the US)


Biden wants to:
- increase minimum wage.
- Expand Affordable Care Act
- Make voting more accessible
- Take action on climate change
- End Gun Violence by placing more restrictions on gun owners
- Create better links with foreign allies

I don't think any poll would be against any of these measures and all of them would be a net benefit


What were Trump's actions?
-Build a Wall (Couldn't get it done)
-Trade Wars (Based on flawed zero-sum assumption. The moron thinks Trade Deficits are inherently bad)
-Reduce immigration (based on flawed zero-sum assumption)
-Tried to end Affordable Care Act, but only got around to sabotaging some elements of it. (McCain roasted him).
-Focused his foreign policy on pretending enemies were friends (Russia, NKorea, Saudi Arabia, Turkey etc) while those enemies continued to undermine and attack the US.
-Exploded the deficit by cutting taxes on corporations and the wealthy.

All of these acts did more harm than good, unless you're in the top 10% and got a good tax break from the last point.