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PetterdHoisted

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I'm just focusing on the bright side. Cleo was found alive, seemingly unharmed, and back with her mother and step-father. I've had little experience with 4 year old girls, except for when my niece was that age, but Cleo appears to be a remarkable young girl. To be separated from her mother for 18 days and come up smiling is incredible.

It's not good that it happened, even though it was a good result. A chilling reminder for young parents to be eternally vigilant when it comes to the protection and safety of their children. There's too many creeps out there.

On the plus, it has felt like nothing but doom and gloom of late, every day it's Covid, vaccinations, climate change, etc, etc. Australians really needed a good news story like this, fantastic it has turned out like this. So many child abduction cases over the years have not turn out so well, beginning with the unsolved Beaumont children disappearance back in 1966.

I stand by and await further evidence to reveal itself as to what transpired over the past 18 days. Welcome home Cleo.
Great post, I feel the same.

I’m staying with the hope that she was looked after and just allowed to play with dolls for 2 weeks and that was it.
 

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Just as the accused followed and commented on social media pages dedicated to missing children, I wonder if another wannabe child stealer is reading, or maybe even posting in this thread? What a terrifying and sobering thought..

Do you think that the police would be keeping tabs on these types of forums and be profiling comments for such purposes? It makes sense, but not sure they would have the resources.
We need the mods to tell us maybe TW, but did a regular contributor to this thread suddenly stop contributing, oh, just a few days ago?! :)
 

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Terrific work in here Kurve 👍🏻 :)
It really is such a bizzare story.

Someone said they had sympathy for the perp earlier because of some hardships, but what’s coming out is a cold, calculating deceitful man who held a little girl for 17 days while all around him people were beside themselves with distress….indeed the whole country was distressed. This has got nothing to do with a difficult life and everything to do with plain evil. His outbursts in court are violent and if he’s threatening to come after photographers when he gets out how the hell are Cleo and her family ever going to feel safe :(

If he gets a soft touch on this case a lot of people are going to be very angry.
I’ll say it again… fu** him.
Hey Woosh hope you are well.

I totally get the anger and 100% agree that people need to be accountable for their actions regardless of what led them there but I do think there is merit in understanding a perps background, motives etc to understand the who what where when why.

Indigenous Australians have generational trauma hard wired into their neurology and no doubt TK has a lot of other childhood trauma too growing up in an under privileged regional area in a split parent household.

Does that make him any less accountable for his actions? No

Does that reduce the impact on Cleo, her family and the Australian community? No

What it does do is help understand what drove TK to do what he did, what his prospects of reoffending/rehabilitation are like and how we prevent future offences like this down the track.

We have a long way to go in understanding how childhood trauma hard wires peoples brain and what it means for them over their lifespan.
Hopefully as mentioned earlier the media leave Ellie, Cleo and fam alone and they get a fu** load of support to ensure she isn't scarred from this.
 

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Yep, I was charged years ago by some corrupt cops, took my dna, stupid baseless charge was immediately dropped by the angry police prosecutor, but I was told they have my dna forever.


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You can ask fot that sample to be destroyed now the charges are dropped.
 

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Hey Woosh hope you are well.

I totally get the anger and 100% agree that people need to be accountable for their actions regardless of what led them there but I do think there is merit in understanding a perps background, motives etc to understand the who what where when why.

Indigenous Australians have generational trauma hard wired into their neurology and no doubt TK has a lot of other childhood trauma too growing up in an under privileged regional area in a split parent household.

Does that make him any less accountable for his actions? No

Does that reduce the impact on Cleo, her family and the Australian community? No

What it does do is help understand what drove TK to do what he did, what his prospects of reoffending/rehabilitation are like and how we prevent future offences like this down the track.

We have a long way to go in understanding how childhood trauma hard wires peoples brain and what it means for them over their lifespan.
Hopefully as mentioned earlier the media leave Ellie, Cleo and fam alone and they get a fu** load of support to ensure she isn't scarred from this.
Absolutely craffles, I’m sure he will recieve a lot of counselling and access to all the mental health services available.
I understand childhood trauma very well, and having lived in remote WA communities myself for years I get it.
Snatching a little child tho for that long and directly where there’s people begging and crying all around you, a few miles from her home. I can’t find any softeness in my heart. I just can’t.
 
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Absolutely craffles, I’m sure he will recieve a lot of counselling and access to all the mental health services available.
I understand childhood trauma very well, and having lived in remote WA communities myself for years I get it.
Snatching a little child tho for that long and directly where there’s people begging and crying all around you, a few miles from her home. I can’t find any softeness in my heart. I just can’t.
This is why the Bible says love thy neighbour. Means literally that. Knock on someone’s door and say gday. It could save a life. I guess in my calm moments I feel pity for the abductor. It’s a sad state of affairs really.
 

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When was this video taken? The bed is unmade, Bratz theme doona cover not on thin foam mattress. What’s the white object on/tied to bed head? Strap or restraint of some kind?
I have no idea when the video was made. But the picture and video are definitely taken at different times. We need to remember though that the room may not have even been set up like this or if it's a room at the house CS was found out. I say that because there has been mixed reports about the house, some reports say he had only lived in that house for about 6-12mths, I remember reading/hearing a police officer say that CS was found in a pretty poor condition room, then we have the picture of what looked like the same bed in the room under the back verandah in a news article.
 

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craffles mate, in saying that I have no sympathy for a child snatcher I’m definitely not one of these stalking his FB and leaving disgusting comments, or wishing him to get bashed and assaulted in jail. No one even knows what he did and why yet. And even if he wants to collect dolls too thats not so strange, many people collect toys…I’m not jumping to conclusions and inventing theories that his collection has anything to do with pedophilia, I‘ll leave that crap for the police, psychologists and courts to work out.

I’m more interested in how he managed to get a 4 year old out of a tent so quietly and keep her for so long in the middle of a town that was madly looking for her…that's the part that interests me, the actual crime part of it is bizzare!
Now that’s she’s home safely of course :)
 

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As promised, this is is a blow up showing the landscape background in the photo of alleged suspect Kelly from non photoshoped snip taken taken from display on large monitor.In the foreground is brown earth, then clumps of some sort of low lying scrub. to the left and to the right of the centre patch of scrub is a body of water - could be ocean, inlet or lake, the in the background is what appears to me to be a continuation of the foreground earth. It certainly appears like the vehicle is positioned on some sort of high ground or look out and from the vantage point his vehicle is sitting he overlooks the water body. The land appears to either fully or partially encircle the water body.

He uploaded this on 9 April 2020 to the Bratz DeLuca username he is alleged to have used (amongst many). I don't consider this guy did anything without a reason.

Thanks to everyone for pointing out the issue with location on FB. I am not a user of Facebook normally - I have never posted anything on Facebook.

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Hey Woosh hope you are well.

I totally get the anger and 100% agree that people need to be accountable for their actions regardless of what led them there but I do think there is merit in understanding a perps background, motives etc to understand the who what where when why.

Indigenous Australians have generational trauma hard wired into their neurology and no doubt TK has a lot of other childhood trauma too growing up in an under privileged regional area in a split parent household.

Does that make him any less accountable for his actions? No

Does that reduce the impact on Cleo, her family and the Australian community? No

What it does do is help understand what drove TK to do what he did, what his prospects of reoffending/rehabilitation are like and how we prevent future offences like this down the track.

We have a long way to go in understanding how childhood trauma hard wires peoples brain and what it means for them over their lifespan.
Hopefully as mentioned earlier the media leave Ellie, Cleo and fam alone and they get a fu** load of support to ensure she isn't scarred from this.
The background of the offender is something we're generally prohibited from discussing anyway under rules of sub judice and only factors in at sentencing. Bradley Robert Edwards the Claremont killer was of Aboriginal descent, we all knew and it didn't come onto the board. Delving into anybody's background usually requires looking into their family as well, we can't do that either as they're not on trial.

We had someone yesterday lob in with a comment that the only reason this is grabbing so much press is because the offender is Aboriginal and 'white supremacy'. That would have sent this thread sideways.

We're in a bit a tough spot here. :think:
 
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broken paradigm

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Hey Woosh hope you are well.

I totally get the anger and 100% agree that people need to be accountable for their actions regardless of what led them there but I do think there is merit in understanding a perps background, motives etc to understand the who what where when why.

Indigenous Australians have generational trauma hard wired into their neurology and no doubt TK has a lot of other childhood trauma too growing up in an under privileged regional area in a split parent household.

Does that make him any less accountable for his actions? No

Does that reduce the impact on Cleo, her family and the Australian community? No

What it does do is help understand what drove TK to do what he did, what his prospects of reoffending/rehabilitation are like and how we prevent future offences like this down the track.

We have a long way to go in understanding how childhood trauma hard wires peoples brain and what it means for them over their lifespan.
Hopefully as mentioned earlier the media leave Ellie, Cleo and fam alone and they get a fu** load of support to ensure she isn't scarred from this.
Dont forget and HOW! Thoroughly agree with your sentiment.
 

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The background of the offender is something we're generally prohibited from discussing anyway under rules of sub judice and only factors in at sentencing. Bradley Robert Edwards the Claremont killer was also of aboriginal descent, we all knew it and it didn't come onto the board. Delving into anybody's background usually requires looking into their family as well, we can't do that either as they're not on trial.

We had someone yesterday lob in with a comment that the only reason this is grabbing so much press is because the offender is Aboriginal and 'white supremacy'. That would have sent this thread sideways.

We're in a bit a tough spot here. :think:
I personally don't believe the ethnicity background of the alleged offender - the only person currently charged - had anything to do with his actual offending. It is his mindset and motive and how his background enabled a whole pile of factors fed into the cauldron for him to morph into what is said to have occurred; as the most critical and important aspect.

It is absolutely critical that lessons are learned (legally and for all parents and the public at large) from this atrocious matter. I can't imagine for a nanosecond what the outcome would have been if the final pieces of the puzzle hadn't fell into place at the particular point in time they did.
 

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The other day I saw a boy who was quite young playing by a drain on his own. One car pulled up and a lady got out assuming she was checking on him. I did the same. Moments later his mum came around the corner. Still it pays to check and keep an eye out I mean in a non creepy way. I don’t really care if I’m perceived that way. As long as our littlest are safe.
 

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I’m more interested in how he managed to get a 4 year old out of a tent so quietly and keep her for so long in the middle of a town that was madly looking for her…
Probably more luck than anything else.

Replay this child stealing event again, and it would be remarkable if things ended up where they are now, let alone in the same timeframe.
 

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We need the mods to tell us maybe TW, but did a regular contributor to this thread suddenly stop contributing, oh, just a few days ago?! :)
This thread might get a little busier with posters who checked out recently, coming back to post at least once, to signal that they are not currently in Casuarina. :cool:
 

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I expect a few cold cases up the Carnarvon way to be solved as a result of this Child stealing investigation. They have taken so many peoples DNA, that they will most likely solve a few cases as a result.
Could be just burglaries and such but perhaps some major crimes may be solved too. This case provided a great reason for police to take DNA from whoever they pleased, which is not normally allowed without a charge.
 

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The background of the offender is something we're generally prohibited from discussing anyway under rules of sub judice and only factors in at sentencing. Bradley Robert Edwards the Claremont killer was of Aboriginal descent, we all knew and it didn't come onto the board. Delving into anybody's background usually requires looking into their family as well, we can't do that either as they're not on trial.

We had someone yesterday lob in with a comment that the only reason this is grabbing so much press is because the offender is Aboriginal and 'white supremacy'. That would have sent this thread sideways.

We're in a bit a tough spot here. :think:
This case received huge media attention from the 'get go'. The reason being a small child was stolen from within a tent just metres from her parents in the middle of night at a popular camping ground with barely a clue to be found. Within days Police realized she was most likely not missing and had more likely been abducted. It was a mystery. At this point the Police requested/pleaded the public's help and public rallied. No one had any idea who the perp was, let alone their ethnicity. Now that the perp has been caught and publicly revealed, we know.
Back ground, ethnicity etc will come in question, but at the end of the day its about who he is as an individual.
BF mods have done a wonderful job censoring and ensuring that certain 'points' have not escalated this forum into a vile dialogue.
Well done and thank you.
I just hope now, the media will stop plastering Cleo and her families pictures all over the media and let them move and heal in private.
 

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Who else wrongly assumed that the accused would have been held in a padded cell right from the start to reduce the risk of him self-harming in such a high profile case?

Although being a small town like Carnarvon, maybe all the padded cells there were occupied when he was first detained.

'He had harmed himself twice in his holding cell — bashing his head against the wall — which required two trips to hospital.
A short but belligerent appearance in court, where Mr Kelly abused journalists, was followed by more erratic behaviour in the cell on Thursday night.
This time however, the cell Mr Kelly was being held in was padded.'
 

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Who else wrongly assumed that the accused would have been held in a padded cell right from the start to reduce the risk of him self-harming in such a high profile case?

Although being a small town like Carnarvon, maybe all the padded cells there were occupied when he was first detained.
In a small town, I'm surprised if they had a padded cell.
 

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In a small town, I'm surprised if they had a padded cell.
Maybe depends on the rates of mental illness and propensity of the likely detained to require one, due to factors that would include the demographics of the local population.

Does anywhere in Australia have padded cells that can be assembled at short notice with removable padding to quickly convert a non-padded cell into a padded one?
 

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One odd thing about the picture of him sitting in the car with the dolls.

That looks like it is taken with him in the passenger seat rather than the drivers seat.

Does that suggest that someone else was driving him around on these doll trips? If so - who?

I really apologise the photo also has Cleo in it - I couldn't find one with just him in the car.

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