Current Abduction of 4yo Blowholes Shacks WA *Terence Kelly Convicted

[Kurve]

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[craigos]

If someone did abduct this child did they have the foresight to wear gloves? Because only one set of unknown prints or DNA would be on the outside zipper of the tent.

Also, if the police are saying the zipper was too high for the child, the parents must be saying they didn't touch the zipper right? In which case why would a would be abductor unzip the tent to a height they wouldn't have to duck down? Surely the parents unzip it to walk in and out easier.

 

[Aussie_boy]

I'm really not buying her being abducted but if she was... could the screeching have occurred due to her waking up and started screaming or something of that nature? Way too many questions at this point.

 

[Rocky2014]

A few more strange things I've been thinking about..

I listened to an update from one of the journalists on Spotify today - a WA journo at the scene calling into a South Australian radio show. He said that Cleo had got up a few times throughout the night and came to her mum to get put back to bed - on top of the one time she asked for water. The mum didn't mention the other times in the interview. I would have thought that meant that the other times were before the parents went to bed - maybe out under the gazebo socialising? If they were socialising with others, and the kid came out a few times, the people they were socialising with, or other people nearby would/could have seen her etc. etc. If they were just out of the tent by themselves and the kid came out a few times, then those nearby could have seen her without the parents knowing they were watching. And then when the police came around and asked people if they'd seen Cleo there, it's a simple no...

In campsites where there's "street" lighting, and you only have your own lighting hung up somewhere, you're like a beacon. Everyone can see you and anyone else with you, from a good distance.

It would be great if the journos asked the inspector directly about whether anyone visited the tent.

Another one is around the amount of sleep the kids were able to get (particularly the baby) on the first night, in a new environment, in a wind-swept tent. The baby slept for 10.5 hours with no bottle, no waking up for a nappy change etc. - some kids are great with sleep, but that struck me as a particularly long time considering it was her first time there. Didn't wake up at any point, even when Cleo woke at 1:30 and asked for water. Maybe it was just the mum giving very basic, high level information of the night?

 

[zedx]

Look I had the same thoughts initially, however they said they arrived on or just before sunset, so people may have been setting up their own tents and having dinner. Were the 'people they knew' merely acquaintances hence the non interaction? Not sure about the lighting there either - would it have been pitch black without a battery powered torch or are there generators around the campsite?

It would, depending on cloud cover, have been quite light
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[BFew]

Not only is the front page of tomorrow's West full of sexual innuendo's but it implies that Cleo could not have taken herself out of the tent because the zipper was too high for her to reach to open the tent!

When the tent is closed, Cleo does not need to reach up high to open it.
She only has to reach down low to the zipper.

Epic fail by The West tonight.

 

[BFew]

Let's see if they pull the tweet of the front page too when someone realises what they have done.

 

[SquiffyRae]

Epic fail by The West tonight.

See that was where you went wrong. Expecting anything remotely resembling "journalism" from The West.

Most of it these days is just being a right-wing mouthpiece without the huge budget of The Australian. Hasn't been worth wasting money on for more than a decade

 

[Aussie_boy]

Not only is the front page of tomorrow's West full of sexual innuendo's but it implies that Cleo could not have taken herself out of the tent because the zipper was too high for her to reach to open the tent!

When the tent is closed, Cleo does not need to reach up high to open it.
She only has to reach down low to the zipper.

Epic fail by The West tonight.

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Yeah this crossed my mind too as all the tents I've stayed in have had this setup however a quick google search showed tents with a zip right up the middle are pretty common too, is that a photo of the actual tent in question?

 

[PetterdHoisted]

I'm being a campaigner here as I know you mean well but dropping a young child off to a church is probably not the safest of spaces.

So you think the kid didn't wake at all through this ordeal and is still asleep so this person just floors it? And then risks waking the kid by doing so?

Once the kid is in the car, who cares, anyway they are likely to believe a story you tell them for at least 5 minutes, at which they are might cry and be terrified, rather than get hysterical and grab the steering wheel (I was just listening to Sheree Beasley case for reference to likely behaviour of a 4yo girl to a stranger abduction by car)

 

[MiguelM]

Most tents have a double zip system. So one might be high and the other one low also. I am sure forensics are all over the possibilities though.

I don't have kids but would have thought adults would be close to the door, not the kids.

Anyway, more questions than answers atm.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

Most tents have a double zip system. So one might be high and the other one low also. I am sure forensics are all over the possibilities though.

I don't have kids but would have thought adults would be close to the door, not the kids.

Anyway, more questions than answers atm.

Read the small caption in the bottom right of the picture posted of the west's story.

 

[BFew]

Read the small caption in the bottom right of the picture posted of the west's story.

At least they got the wording of the main article in that small wording on the front page correct!

If the large wording on that front page had been

'CLEO COULDN'T CLOSE TENT'

That would have been way more correct (and a totally ineffective headline)

 

[MiguelM]

Read the small caption in the bottom right of the picture posted of the west's story.

 

[ChampRevesby]

I know for some zippers you can pull on one side which would force the zipper up or down depending on its direction. Maybe she pulled the side of the door and it opened open further forcing the zip higher than she could reach? I guess the cops have tested that and that zipper doesn't behave that way.

 

[norway blue]

Most tents have a double zip system. So one might be high and the other one low also. I am sure forensics are all over the possibilities though.

I don't have kids but would have thought adults would be close to the door, not the kids.

Anyway, more questions than answers atm.

Yeah adults close to the door. And zipper up is how I would do it.


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[ChampRevesby]

Yeah adults close to the door. And zipper up is how I would do it.


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Yeah definitely would have been my first though when laying out the tent. Always put kids in a spot where they cant run off.

 

[Rocky2014]

"Well, basically, like obviously, we went and like we went looking, checking, making sure like you know she wasn’t around the tent um… and then we… we got in the car like you know driving around everywhere, we could be.. we grew up here.. we literally grew up.. a hun.. probably like a hundred metres from literally where our tent was, was like where we stayed at the same age… um so we… we just looked everywhere that we went as kids and um we couldn’t find her a-and then… and then we realised that we’d, that we’d have to call the cops that she’s not here and then we called the cops and then it all went into motion"

All that detail thrown in about their own childhood experiences at the campsite, but no mention whatsoever of asking anyone else for help, waking people up to see if Cleo had somehow ended up in or around their tent/shack etc. Just checked around their own tent, then jumped straight in the car to check out old landmarks? Then they call the cops, based 50km away, as their next best option? No asking the people they were camping with, or anyone they knew at the campsite from Carnarvon for help?

The police said that the campground was busy - surely the parents would have made a racket screaming and shouting Cleo's name, and frantically knocked on tents/shacks etc. trying to find her or alert people? Campers are generally fairly friendly types (yes I know exceptions do exist...) and I don't know many people who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to try and reunite a young girl with her family. They'd be busting to help.

But there's no mention of any of it. It's all very insular - almost keeping to themselves. Walk around the tent. Into the car. Call the cops.

Of course it could just be that they did ask others and do all those things but didn't mention it. I don't get it.

 

[MiguelM]

Ah ok, changes everything. So Cleo couldn't have opened it to that height? Effectively saying an adult could only do it.

 

[javaguice]

Yeah i find it hard to belive a parent ( im one myself) would dispose of their child body after an accident it just doesn’t seem possible?

Makes me sick in the stomach about all this.

Going by FB the step dad does look beaming in a few pics. Does also look to enjoy killing big game.

Maybe a violent streak that lead to an accident.

The newborn would lend itself to the mum not wanting her partner locked up for an extended period.

 

[ChampRevesby]

"Well, basically, like obviously, we went and like we went looking, checking, making sure like you know she wasn’t around the tent um… and then we… we got in the car like you know driving around everywhere, we could be.. we grew up here.. we literally grew up.. a hun.. probably like a hundred metres from literally where our tent was, was like where we stayed at the same age… um so we… we just looked everywhere that we went as kids and um we couldn’t find her a-and then… and then we realised that we’d, that we’d have to call the cops that she’s not here and then we called the cops and then it all went into motion"

All that detail thrown in about their own childhood experiences at the campsite, but no mention whatsoever of asking anyone else for help, waking people up to see if Cleo had somehow ended up in or around their tent/shack etc. Just checked around their own tent, then jumped straight in the car to check out old landmarks? Then they call the cops, based 50km away, as their next best option? No asking the people they were camping with, or anyone they knew at the campsite from Carnarvon for help?

The police said that the campground was busy - surely the parents would have made a racket screaming and shouting Cleo's name, and frantically knocked on tents/shacks etc. trying to find her or alert people? Campers are generally fairly friendly types (yes I know exceptions do exist...) and I don't know many people who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to try and reunite a young girl with her family. They'd be busting to help.

But there's no mention of any of it. It's all very insular - almost keeping to themselves. Walk around the tent. Into the car. Call the cops.

Of course it could just be that they did ask others and do all those things but didn't mention it. I don't get it.

That is interesting.
The times when my kids have run off from a camp site (typically the play area) the first thing I did was ask those around us if they saw a small boy fitting a description. Happened plenty of times, every time frantic but immediately talking with other people to ascertain a location is always the instinctual thing to do.

 

[Eagle Wrath]

Ah ok, changes everything. So Cleo couldn't have opened it to that height? Effectively saying an adult could only do it.

I have my doubts the parents were in there at the time. Gotta be pretty ballsy to open someones tent with a family in there and remove a child. Personally, I think the parents were away from the tent drinking.

 

[javaguice]

(so in my scenario, it's an opportinistic first-timer type, not a cold-hearted, highly experienced psychopath)

..pretty sure I vaguely remember some other true crime tale where someone floored the vehicle involuntarily at the get-away point

You'd be nervous af presumably.... could have been accidental. Could have skidded where sand meets bitumen

 

[Kurve]

Just on the tent, I think one that size has more than one zippered opening and I could be wrong of course but I'm pretty sure they're in a 'D' so it's even a bit more complicated than a straight zip up and down.

 

[ChampRevesby]

I have my doubts the parents were in there at the time. Gotta be pretty ballsy to open someones tent with a family in there and remove a child. Personally, I think the parents were away from the tent drinking.

Surely other people would have seen them, I doubt they were drinking in the dark unless there was plenty of natural light around. If they with other people, thats hard to cover up.

 

[norway blue]

"Well, basically, like obviously, we went and like we went looking, checking, making sure like you know she wasn’t around the tent um… and then we… we got in the car like you know driving around everywhere, we could be.. we grew up here.. we literally grew up.. a hun.. probably like a hundred metres from literally where our tent was, was like where we stayed at the same age… um so we… we just looked everywhere that we went as kids and um we couldn’t find her a-and then… and then we realised that we’d, that we’d have to call the cops that she’s not here and then we called the cops and then it all went into motion"

All that detail thrown in about their own childhood experiences at the campsite, but no mention whatsoever of asking anyone else for help, waking people up to see if Cleo had somehow ended up in or around their tent/shack etc. Just checked around their own tent, then jumped straight in the car to check out old landmarks? Then they call the cops, based 50km away, as their next best option? No asking the people they were camping with, or anyone they knew at the campsite from Carnarvon for help?

The police said that the campground was busy - surely the parents would have made a racket screaming and shouting Cleo's name, and frantically knocked on tents/shacks etc. trying to find her or alert people? Campers are generally fairly friendly types (yes I know exceptions do exist...) and I don't know many people who wouldn't jump at the opportunity to try and reunite a young girl with her family. They'd be busting to help.

But there's no mention of any of it. It's all very insular - almost keeping to themselves. Walk around the tent. Into the car. Call the cops.

Of course it could just be that they did ask others and do all those things but didn't mention it. I don't get it.

Can’t fault your post.


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