Autopsy 5 point win vs St.Kilda

[SwansProudly]

 

[Ehswan]

Dr

There was a segment on umpiring on last Wednesday’s AFL360 with Horse and Simpson (the only segment I watch nowadays). They’d each spent considerable time during the preceding week observing umpiring activities. For the work they’d done, it deserved more than a ten minute segment on a midweek show.

One thing they talked about (which surprised/ shocked me but didn’t seem to raise the ire of two long time coaches) was how the umpires prepare for a match, focusing on the individual players participating and likely match ups that they (the umpires) will need to keep an eye on, anticipating where there might be scragging etc). And they think about the game styles of each team, and what that might mean for rule infringements. Naive me had hoped (expected) that the umpires just call what they see, but clearly that’s not the case. They prime themselves to see some infringements more than others.

I saw that segment too. I found that quite extraordinary that they would be pre determining what to look out for.
It is probably right to have awareness of what a game might throw up.
If they get their coaching wrong though, it could be they miss alot of the holds on a Heeney...but overly focused on a Daicos...
It would explain a few things though .

 

[ashep]

Saints had a shitload of under 24 players they should be decent next season if they can get King fit

I reckon they've been pretty unlucky much of the year. Any team that can play with the sort of pressure they applied yesterday is set up nicely.

 

[ashep]

It would seem so. Buller has been very good since he came in. He's a clever player. Makes good decisions. He competes, every time and if he competes he gives you a chance. That cvontest on the wing in the last was incredibly clever. He left Camaniti for dead. He bodied him, then slipped out the back and got the ball on. Do you know all the time he was directing traffic. Great play. Very clever. A REAL Forward.

In the lead up to Hayward's 3rd goal? Agreed it was a fantastic contest win.

Campbell also summed up the situation beautifully waiting for Wilbur to get into just the right spot and delivered a perfect pass.

Back on Buller, I loved the way he just put his foot through it on both goals. I've seen too much of Amartey and McLean laying off and spraying it.

 

[The King!]

In the lead up to Hayward's 3rd goal? Agreed it was a fantastic contest win.

Campbell also summed up the situation beautifully waiting for Wilbur to get into just the right spot and delivered a perfect pass.

campbell was begging hayward to get into his spot great run by him

 

[The King!]

If we played with the desperation of the last quarter more often this year, even with injuries we would be in the 8 right now

 

[bedford]

If we played with the desperation of the last quarter more often this year, even with injuries we would be in the 8 right now

If we played with the desperation from the start we improve our %
They were like us the last few weeks , that gutsy loss to Footscray cost us

 

[Jewelsbon]

If we played with the desperation from the start we improve our %
They were like us the last few weeks , that gutsy loss to Footscray cost us

That bloody abomination against the Judas army is what really killed our season.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

If we played with the desperation from the start we improve our %
They were like us the last few weeks , that gutsy loss to Footscray cost us

Dunno the loss to Port looks just as horrid, least Adelaide are a good side

 

[bloodsbigot]

I know people say "that was as bad as 2016" in jest and out of frustration, but that really pisses me off. You're just downplaying the enormity and scale of 2016. The umpiring in the match we just saw really wasn't that bad. And I'm not just saying that because the result went our way.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

This makes sense as to why we seem (and seemed) to give a lot of free kicks to opposition tall forwards.

Umps carrying in the bias that our usual undersized KPD’s (Rampe comes to mind as an example) would need to interfere with the bigger power forwards (eg - Charlie Dixon) to match them. Hence over the years we seem to concede a lot of D50 free kicks.

I actually don’t think them doing this analysis prior to a game is a good thing for a fair and unbiased call!

It should just be made on merits, if it’s there pay it, preferrably pay less and only the obvious.

Also there is a complete lack of “feel” for the game these days, which is probably accentuated with extra umpires, adding additional interpretations. They have a tough job without doubt, I am hoping the new appointments to AFL help sort through this mess. Probs the number 1 issue in footy at present, the state of umpiring.

That also perfectly describes why some players are umpired differently to others

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Q: Does anyone know what the best thing about yesterday’s win was?

A: It took an academy player to sink the Saints after their persistent whinging about our academies

SUCK SHIT SAINTERS, GO THE SWOM

 

[The Blue Max]

People called Lloyd washed but he had 94% game time playing wing

Hes still an endurance machine and runs into the right spots for a mark

Lloyd to the fwds/wing was a masterstroke - it might well save his season and keep him at the club.

Roberts looks clueless - he’s brave but looked disinterested or lost at times and his disposal is questionable.

Mills may not be fit and is certainly not vocal enough to run the back line.

MacInerney is writing cheques his skill can’t cash, he thinks he’s Heeney.

McCartin is a very real concern - the slightest head jolt causing potential concussion is not a happy future.

 

[Neverwas]

It’s a big concern because when literally no-one knows WTF is against the rules and what’s not, there is massive potential there for match fixing.

Not saying there is corruption of umps, I hasten to add, but we’ve seen in the political arena how quickly disinformation leads to erosion of accountability.

I've been concerned about this systemic trend for a long time. It's hard to say it's really a code anymore because it changes from one minute to the next.

 

[J_Moore]

Hot take
Captains in AFL mean sweet FA.
Moreso than nearly any other sport I can think of.

I don’t know if “captains” matter, but a line leader, particularly defensive line, I think matters more than almost any other sport.

More players and more space to cover than any other. Coordination is huge.

 

[caesar88]

Buller's grappling with Wilkie(?) inside 50 in the dying stages to chew off about 10 seconds and not give away a free was soooo good.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Buller's grappling with Wilkie(?) inside 50 in the dying stages to chew off about 10 seconds and not give away a free was soooo good.

He’s gaining so much confidence by letting him stay in the side. His goalkicking improved. Plenty of upside with Buller

 

[robbieando]

Buller's grappling with Wilkie(?) inside 50 in the dying stages to chew off about 10 seconds and not give away a free was soooo good.

The fact he was the one who stayed on the field and was not subbed between him and Francis was very telling at the end of the day.

 

[Dubai Quacker]

The fact he was the one who stayed on the field and was not subbed between him and Francis was very telling at the end of the day.

I actually thought Gus had been subbed off when I saw him go off in Q3 holding a shoulder & Bice appeared.

Didn’t even notice Francis was missing until Gus came back on in Q4 & I had to figure it out.

 

[Daniel B]

He’s gaining so much confidence by letting him stay in the side. His goalkicking improved. Plenty of upside with Buller

Agreed. Not quite first-picked yet, but has bought himself about 3 matches

 

[Dubai Quacker]

That bloody abomination against the Judas army is what really killed our season.

Nup, it was the Essendon loss.

 

[ashep]

Some were a bit down on Gulden's performance but watching it back, he still does a lot of the grunt work. A couple of tough marks going back with the flight in our D50, some strong tackles, especially in the first quarter to set the tone.

Numbers weren't through the roof but he's always involved.

 

[Bloods86]

Agreed. Not quite first-picked yet, but has bought himself about 3 matches

I think he has upside, could see it in VFL, but also being one of 2 fit key forwards will hopefully help if he has a poor game (which others get away with all the time).

 

[Kiama Chris]

Well done on the win swans fans.

Hayward was epic in the last qtr and threading that goal from the boundary was brilliant.

Grundy absolutely dominated in the ruck and the palm down to Gulden in the last was just poetry in motion.

Interesting reading through your thread about your thoughts on the umpires.

When I was watching the game in the heat of the moment with my saints glasses on I thought we was extremely hard done by especially Caminiti on Buller in the 1st when they was grappling each other and holding each other just let them play on in that situation.

Grundy was given a couple of interesting free kicks and holding the ball was an absolute lottery.

On reflection after I can see the game logically Wilkie was 100% holding the ball in the last qtr and you should have been given a free kick straight in front and the 50 metre penalty was pretty dodgy.

I understand this is a swans forum and the game is watched through a swans lens but trust me the umpiring was complete rubbish both ways.

The worst umpired game I’ve seen this season.

All the best with the rest of the year hope you don’t mind the intrusion.

About right. My favourite umpire moment was I think in Q3 when a Saint sent an absolute bullet pass from the left wing into the centre. An umpire, just loitering in the corridor, was forced to fall on his face to avoid having his head removed. Sheer delight. I think the ones driving most supporters mad are the ruck "infringements". Marshall and Grundy both wanted zero separation and the ump kept warning Marshall to keep the metre (Grundy got there first) then did nothing when he didn't. Who knows what half the "infringements" are for.

 

[zyzzbruh]

Dunno the loss to Port looks just as horrid, least Adelaide are a good side

It's the essendon loss for me. The GC one we should never have lost either after practically having the game wrapped up in the 2nd qtr. Add the undeserved dogs loss. The combination of those 3 has killed off our season.

If we had managed those three we'd be sitting equal 4th which would've been an exceptional effort given our injuries.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

It's the essendon loss for me. The GC one we should never have lost either after practically having the game wrapped up in the 2nd qtr. Add the undeserved dogs loss. The combination of those 3 has killed off our season.

If we had managed those three we'd be sitting equal 4th which would've been an exceptional effort given our injuries.

The Power and Lions loss also hurts. Should have won both of the games