Autopsy 5 point win vs St.Kilda

[SwansProudly]

 

[LukeParkerno1]

It's the essendon loss for me. The GC one we should never have lost either after practically having the game wrapped up in the 2nd qtr. Add the undeserved dogs loss. The combination of those 3 has killed off our season.

If we had managed those three we'd be sitting equal 4th which would've been an exceptional effort given our injuries.

The Crows one I'll give a pass they are a good side, margin was bad though. The Essendon and Port ones are very bad, they are two bottom 5 sides playing poorly, this is a Port side that almost lost to WCE at home nonetheless.

 

[giantsully]

I might be wrong, but my interpretation of both frees against Caminiti was that they were for shepherding rather than just holding. In each case, Caminiti had his back to play and was facing his opponent, and prevented the Swans player (one time Buller, can’t recall who the Swan in the second contest was) from reaching the contest while making no attempt to contest the ball himself.

I know frees in those kinds of contests are as frustrating as ruck contest frees because they are applied so inconsistently. Commentators don't help, Especially when they laud a player for a great block that enables a team mate to take a mark, but I think having your back to play and not trying to contest are two triggers for the umps.

I can’t agree it was the worst umpires game all year. Seemed pretty standard to me. Some mistakes were made for/against both teams but that’s par for the course.

I think we can all agree it was over-umpired. The most obscure "blocking" free was the one against Mills when the Saints player was between him and the ball (Melican coming over the top to spoil).

Very lucky win for the Swans though of course you have to applaud the effort and the skill in Q4 - after the first 15 mins (pretty much the moment Francis missed that relatively easy set shot), we looked dreadful for much of the game. Much of that was down to the Saints immense pressure (who knew the pressure rating went to 260?) but we've kinda invited that all season by showing teams that we will buckle if they bring the heat.

Nice to get the win, but not a replay I'm willing to watch (well, maybe the final qr...).

 

[giantsully]

When Grundy got caught trying to run around the saints ruck and got caught HTB, apparently Heeney copped someone high with a jumper punch

He'll cop a fine.

 

[J_Moore]

Nup, it was the Essendon loss.

Yeah in the context of the ladder losing to the third placed team isn’t a disaster. The manner of the loss made the team look awful and couldve been totally demoralising, but thankfully they haven’t gone to pieces.

Losses to the Dons and the Demons were worse.

 

[liz]

The Power and Lions loss also hurts. Should have won both of the games

For me it's (any or all) of the first Port game, the Essendon game and the Dogs game. They all have something in common - woeful set shot conversion. Admittedly against the Dogs we kicked a lot of arsey goals - but so did they. But we missed so many straight forward set shots. And though we were poor in patches against both Port (first time) and Essendon, we did enough in the final quarters to win those game had we had even passable set shot conversion.

Against Port - 27 scores to 20. We lost by 8 points.
Against Essendon - 23 scores to 16. We lost by 8 points.
Against the Bulldogs - 26 scores to 25. We lost by 9 points. Clearly this one is a little greyer re whether we "should" have won. But it's the most recent, and the memory of so many really straightforward set shots missed is still too fresh.

 

[Bonz]

For me it's (any or all) of the first Port game, the Essendon game and the Dogs game. They all have something in common - woeful set shot conversion. Admittedly against the Dogs we kicked a lot of arsey goals - but so did they. But we missed so many straight forward set shots. And though we were poor in patches against both Port (first time) and Essendon, we did enough in the final quarters to win those game had we had even passable set shot conversion.

Against Port - 27 scores to 20. We lost by 8 points.
Against Essendon - 23 scores to 16. We lost by 8 points.
Against the Bulldogs - 26 scores to 25. We lost by 9 points. Clearly this one is a little greyer re whether we "should" have won. But it's the most recent, and the memory of so many really straightforward set shots missed is still too fresh.

Convert those and we are only sitting outside the top 4 on % with a soft draw home.

Next season, a few less injuries, a better set up up forward (McDonald and maybe Juh?) really feel like we can do some damage.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Some were a bit down on Gulden's performance but watching it back, he still does a lot of the grunt work. A couple of tough marks going back with the flight in our D50, some strong tackles, especially in the first quarter to set the tone.

Numbers weren't through the roof but he's always involved.

Zero issue with Gulden since his return tbh even going at 80% he is still critical to us.

Mills however i have a few more concerns about

 

[The King!]

Mills is playing better than last year he just isn't doing the absolute desperate stuff i'd say he was famous for. I still wonder if he is fully fit

 

[The King!]

Tmac thing worries me tbh for his long term future

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Convert those and we are only sitting outside the top 4 on % with a soft draw home.

Next season, a few less injuries, a better set up up forward (McDonald and maybe Juh?) really feel like we can do some damage.

On the JUH train as well

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Tmac thing worries me tbh for his long term future

Always going to have that concern when he takes the field.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Convert those and we are only sitting outside the top 4 on % with a soft draw home.

Next season, a few less injuries, a better set up up forward (McDonald and maybe Juh?) really feel like we can do some damage.

I'm feeling sad that it looks like we've wasted a fair bit of Hamling and Buller's time with the club by not playing them when we could/should have. After just his second proper game Buller looks to have a better skill set than McLean (of whom I'm a fan) and equal to Amartey. Should definitely get another year. I had lent towards giving Francis another year but Hamling is much sounder in defence and better backup or first choice so if his body is good I'd go again there too unless somehow we catch a big fish.

 

[Bonz]

On the JUH train as well

One of the in the know contacts on this board hasn't been wrong before (Struck true on Papley, Warner, McDonald and Gulden contracts).

I'm choosing to trust him on it

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

One of the in the know contacts on this board hasn't been wrong before (Struck true on Papley, Warner, McDonald and Gulden contracts).

I'm choosing to trust him on it

Definitely will be a complicated and messy trade and likely stall the whole 2 weeks

 

[Dubai Quacker]

I'm feeling sad that it looks like we've wasted a fair bit of Hamling and Buller's time with the club by not playing them when we could/should have. After just his second proper game Buller looks to have a better skill set than McLean (of whom I'm a fan) and equal to Amartey. Should definitely get another year. I had lent towards giving Francis another year but Hamling is much sounder in defence and better backup or first choice so if his body is good I'd go again there too unless somehow we catch a big fish.

I saw quite a bit of Buller at Claremont.

I don’t think he’ll ever be a dominant forward at AFL level, but he does have pretty good ruck skills.

We’re not employing him as a ruck/fwd, which I assume is because of the back injury concern.

But IF Ladhams and Green aren’t the answer post-Grundy, I do wonder if Buller mightn’t be a reasonable option in the ruck - at least as the chop-out option.

Interesting to see if he’s still on the list next year.

 

[The King!]

When in Rome

 

[ashep]

One of the in the know contacts on this board hasn't been wrong before (Struck true on Papley, Warner, McDonald and Gulden contracts).

I'm choosing to trust him on it

#trustinpunts

There is still time to land Macrae before he hangs 'em up

 

[Bonz]

#trustinpunts

There is still time to land Macrae before he hangs 'em up

Actually was referring to bedford (Who knows a few player managers) but I would also trust Punts on this as well.

At least they are putting their neck out there, I don't get the criticism on them from this board.

 

[grimlock]

Coaches votes

St Kilda v Sydney​

9 Brodie Grundy

4

Brodie Grundy

Age

32

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

8.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

20.6

5star

SYD
8 Marcus Windhager STK
5 Callum Wilkie

44

Callum Wilkie

Age

30

Ht

191cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.2

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

4.4

3star

M

4.5

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

221.3

3star

D

12.6

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

3.6

2star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.4

2star

MG

223.1

3star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.6

4star

M

4.6

5star

T

2.2

4star

MG

170.0

3star

STK
3 Will Hayward

19

Will Hayward

Age

27

Ht

186cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.6

3star

K

6.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.8

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

9.0

2star

K

4.3

2star

HB

4.7

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

3.2

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.4

5star

SYD
3 Jack Steele

9

Jack Steele

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.9

5star

K

8.7

3star

HB

12.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

6.8

5star

CL

3.6

5star

D

21.3

5star

K

10.0

4star

HB

11.3

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

5.8

5star

CL

4.6

5star

D

16.8

4star

K

5.0

2star

HB

11.8

5star

M

2.6

3star

T

6.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

STK
2 James Rowbottom

8

James Rowbottom

Age

25

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.0

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

5.9

4star

M

2.2

2star

T

4.3

5star

CL

2.0

4star

D

14.6

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

5.6

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

3.4

4star

CL

2.5

4star

D

14.4

4star

K

7.8

3star

HB

6.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.6

5star

CL

1.2

4star

SYD

Grundy 5-4
Windhager 5-3
Wilkie 4-1
Hayward/Steele - one 3-0, one 2-1
Rowbottom 2-0

Not often the winning team has less votes than the losing team STK 16 SYD 14

 

[Bloods86]

I saw quite a bit of Buller at Claremont.

I don’t think he’ll ever be a dominant forward at AFL level, but he does have pretty good ruck skills.

We’re not employing him as a ruck/fwd, which I assume is because of the back injury concern.

But IF Ladhams and Green aren’t the answer post-Grundy, I do wonder if Buller mightn’t be a reasonable option in the ruck - at least as the chop-out option.

Interesting to see if he’s still on the list next year.

Buller rucks in the VFL every week, so I'm not sure it's because of injury concern. In seniors, it'd be because we see McLean as the regular backup.

 

[giantsully]

Zero issue with Gulden since his return tbh even going at 80% he is still critical to us.

Mills however i have a few more concerns about

Some of Mills disposal and decision-making has been pitiful the last couple of weeks, and I'm a long term Mills supporter.

 

[giantsully]

Coaches votes

St Kilda v Sydney​

9 Brodie Grundy SYD
8 Marcus Windhager STK
5 Callum Wilkie STK
3 Will Hayward SYD
3 Jack Steele STK
2 James Rowbottom SYD

Grundy 5-4
Windhager 5-3
Wilkie 4-1
Hayward/Steele - one 3-0, one 2-1
Rowbottom 2-0

Not often the winning team has less votes than the losing team STK 16 SYD 14

I confess I didn't really notice Windhager (though he racked up disposals); Steele OTOH I thought was outstanding.

 

[bedford]

Actually was referring to bedford (Who knows a few player managers) but I would also trust Punts on this as well.

At least they are putting their neck out there, I don't get the criticism on them from this board.

Ive been told a fair bit on JUH and that the dogs want him out , but i'll leave this to punts

 

[bedford]

The St Scum rats on SEN today finding everything possible , like wasted 3 second moments , JJ wasting time on the ground and umpires , anything they could sook about . F them

 

[Dubai Quacker]

Just picked up a copy of the Sun Herald.

They publish very comprehensive player stats. One that’s interesting is “Pressure Points”.

It’s a fairly complex formula, but from last night, our highest scorers were:

1. Rowy 97
2. Chad 46
3. Gus 43
4. Roberts 35

Lowest were Francis (6), Blakey (10) & Buller (11).

Just thought it was interesting that Rowy was more than double anyone else. He’s a machine.

And Roberts clearly works hard, albeit sometimes a bit untidily.

The other interesting stat: Heeney had the lowest disposal efficiency on the ground (must be an outlier!) followed by Wicks & McI.