Autopsy 5 point win vs St.Kilda

[SwansProudly]

 

[TheGoatBaron]

It’s a strange gameplan to have the forward line not on the move if true. The best forward lines are always on the move

 

[wolftone57]

Imagine if the free kick for HTB was paid to Buller 25 in front, would have been a bit more deflating for the Saints. 11 points up.

Didn't affect the result took but some Grundy and Gulden greatness to get us back into the lead

That was an astounding no free. It was obvious to even Blind Freddy, that was a bloody free. Great chase down by a 200cm player. The club really should take that to the AFL and say, this simply can't happen anymore. This sort of umpiring is what is turning fans away from the game. It makes me incredibly angry. The same happened at the other end and they got the free. The umpires, I am not sure that is plural but there was at least one who was giving Saints some really soft frees and not giving us any. Apparently

 

[wolftone57]

And you know this how exactly?
A load of codswallop if you ask me.

We have been doing it for years. Bombing long for periods of a game. If it isn't the game plan then we have some really naughty players because they don't stick to the game plan. If a team does this continually it is in the game plan. Otherwise the coach would be fuming. Ha wasn't, neither was Longmire. This is a part of a plan. I don't know why exactly. But it must be because it is repeated over and over again.

 

[wolftone57]

Some were a bit down on Gulden's performance but watching it back, he still does a lot of the grunt work. A couple of tough marks going back with the flight in our D50, some strong tackles, especially in the first quarter to set the tone.

Numbers weren't through the roof but he's always involved.

I was not bothered by his match. Thought he was tough and tried. But his disposal, just like most of his teammates, in the middle two quarters was lamentable.

 

[wolftone57]

I've been concerned about this systemic trend for a long time. It's hard to say it's really a code anymore because it changes from one minute to the next.

This is a statement the AFL put out. Well they have certainly broken that in several weeks.

THE AFL has on Tuesday written to clubs communicating an adjustment and clarification to the Protected Area 50m penalty adjudication when there are two players from opposing teams who enter the area together.

The rule has always permitted a defending player to follow their opponent into the protected area provided they are within 2 metres of each other. In the instances where a “split” occurs and the defender continues to run through and clear the protected area, the umpires will no longer pay a 50m penalty in these circumstances.

The defender still needs to vacate the protected area immediately – and not delay or linger.

AFL Head of Umpiring Dan Richardson said the adjustment will come into play this week as there had been an unintended exploitation of the rule in recent weeks.


“The protected area rule is designed for the kicker to have options to move the ball,” Richardson said.

“It is having the desired effect, however there have been more and more instances of players deliberately running their opponent into the zone with the intention of getting split and / or drawing a 50m penalty.

“If this ‘split’ of players happens, providing the defender moves to vacate the area, the umpires have been instructed to no longer apply a 50m penalty.

“Feedback is important, and we continually listen to a whole range of stakeholders, and this clarification will provide opportunity for the rule to be applied as intended.”

RULE 20.1.2 (B)
THE PROTECTED AREA

No player shall enter and remain in the protected area unless the field umpire calls “play on” or the player from the opposing team is accompanying or following within 2 metres of their opponent.

Any player caught in the protected area must make every endeavour to immediately vacate the protected area.

Players may follow their opponent through the protected area as long as they are within 2m of their opponent. The umpire should be alert for the player with the ball playing on immediately following a free kick or mark being awarded and subsequently call “play on”. Players must make every endeavour to immediately vacate the protected area.

 

[TheGoatBaron]

Rule of the Month

 

[wolftone57]

He'll cop a fine.

The young Saints ruck, Heath? He didn't accidentally hit McCartin. He went for hi. It was he that started the Grundy fight. His aggression. Just before he hit McCartin he looks at Tommy and adjusts the hit to hit the head. It was astounding. He knew exactly what he was doing. He should get six. But he'll get three. People talk about how rough footy was years ago. And of course it was. But if you did the crime you paid the time then. And the time was long. A deliberate non footy action could start at 6 matches.

 

[Jewelsbon]

It’s a strange gameplan to have the forward line not on the move if true. The best forward lines are always on the move

I'm about 99.99999% sure it ain't true - and I got no idea about anything, but no coach in their right mind would coach a forward line to stand stock still so their defenders can completely dominate them.

 

[wolftone57]

The St Scum rats on SEN today finding everything possible , like wasted 3 second moments , JJ wasting time on the ground and umpires , anything they could sook about . F them

I bet they didn't talk about the two gift goals they got. The blocking free against Mills was absolute shite. He was contesting and got pummeled. The other one was holding free. The player had the ball when tackled. He drops the ball reigning a handball, umpire was behind both players. How can he make any decision in those circumstances. He couldn't see.

We also got two frees against for incorrect disposal. Each time the umpires was blindsided and just guessed. This is pissing me off. If they can't see why do they pay frees? Bloody frustrating.

 

[wolftone57]

I'm about 99.99999% sure it ain't true - and I got no idea about anything, but no coach in their right mind would coach a forward line to stand stock still so their defenders can completely dominate them.

Bullshit. Longmire did it for years. Just bomb long. Other coaches do it too. Carlton is a good example. Gold Coast used to, don't anymore. Melbourne did exactly that for the last two, maybe three years. Don't say coaches don't coach the long bomb because they do.

 

[Kbroome]

The young Saints ruck, Heath? He didn't accidentally hit McCartin. He went for hi. It was he that started the Grundy fight. His aggression. Just before he hit McCartin he looks at Tommy and adjusts the hit to hit the head. It was astounding. He knew exactly what he was doing. He should get six. But he'll get three. People talk about how rough footy was years ago. And of course it was. But if you did the crime you paid the time then. And the time was long. A deliberate non footy action could start at 6 matches.

He got nothing. I think ur version of events might be a little bias in the Swans favour.

The AFL just viewed it as an attempted spoil that wasn’t late and accidently hit McCartin rather than the ball. Countless examples throughout the year of players getting off for worse

 

[wolftone57]

Are you back in the country and did you go to the game

No I am not. I watched it on Watch AFL Stream. Good vision.

 

[The Blue Max]

I’d like to see a 50metre protected pentagram brought in - umpires armed with protractors and slide rules - and the relevant rule given a complete 500 page volume of interpretation- that would liven things up.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

I’d like to see a 50metre protected pentagram brought in - umpires armed with protractors and slide rules - and the relevant rule given a complete 500 page volume of interpretation- that would liven things up.

Make it more like Monty Python’s philosopher soccer.

 

[wolftone57]

I counted five McInerney kicks in the first quarter. All were costly. Several missed their target, one missed easy set shot and another was a terrible kick out of defence which came right back as a Saints goal. Even when he attempted to tap the ball to a teammate with both hands he also missed.

The guy makes good position and gets around the ground. He hits contests fast and pops up for uncontested marks or to contest/spoil opposition marks. His hands are usually good too. Those are his positives.

On the downside, McInerney hasn't been able to kick for sh&t since he came back from his injury in 2024 and scrubbed countless balls along the turf. He can't or won't tackle so despite his mobility he adds little to the pressure game. He seems to prefer style over substance

By contrast, Campbell shares McInerney's positives without the downside. He kicks like an arrow and tackles like a hungry wolf pack. His only downside is a lack of faith in his extraordinary kicking ability. Cox needs to tell him to take the shot

The body language with Cox suggests Juz is coach's pet, while the far more reliable Ollie Florent remains banished to the twos.

The kicking of the whole side has been terrible. McInerney is not Robinson Crusoe. These players were all very reliable kicks and then suddenly they are either ordinary or well down on their usual efforts:
Roberts (a very reliable kick last year)
Wicks (usually quite reliable)
Blakey (a really elite kick that is hitting opponents on the chest)
Gulden (One game at 80% or more but some at just under 50%. Just not Errol)
Bice (his first games were wonderful. His kicking elite. But the last 5-6 games he was terrible. This week mixed but far better)
Campbell (up until the last 3 weeks his delivery has been mixed)
Heeney (Was one of the most excellent kicks in the AFL. Still kicking for goal well but both h/ball and field kicking have fallen off a cliff)
Chad (He is a great kick and handball. But lately he too seems to make rookie mistakes)
Lloyd (seemed to lose confidence in his ability to hit targets. I think this was due to playing down back too long)
JJ (he never misses. He kicks it to you you get it on a plate. But since about round 5 not only is he not getting it much but his disposal has fallen off)


These guys are all our best users. But something has gone wrong. I don't know what? But it seems to have something to do with pressure. If you let a side pressure you and don't block, shepherd, pressure back just as hard, you invite disaster. I know blocking and shepherding are out of vogue but if you look at Lion's, Suns, Crows they all do it. They all shepherd, block and tackle.

Do we do high pressure drills? Are we practicing high skill drills under heavy pressure? Are we practicing protecting the player with the ball. I saw Dossa and Bulker do it several times but where we need it is in tight, so the player with the ball can get space between him and his opponents. I think due to our high volume of injuries that maybe the coaches did not want to invite more injuries in the mid year. But that is just my thoughts. I have no evidence. Maybe the people who watch training have a better outlook.

 

[SwansLakeside]

To the Mods, not sure where to post this,

it seems there's already a 'SwansLifer' named poster, a near confusion with my later 'Swan_Lifer'.

Please could my posting name be changed to something else, don't care what (within reason)..

 

[Jewelsbon]

Bullshit. Longmire did it for years. Just bomb long. Other coaches do it too. Carlton is a good example. Gold Coast used to, don't anymore. Melbourne did exactly that for the last two, maybe three years. Don't say coaches don't coach the long bomb because they do.

So this is how you think Cox, Longmire, Voss etc plan a forward line? A whole lot of brainless zombies just standing there?

You really are full of it.....

Besides the fact that what you are saying makes absolutely no sense, Campbell wasn't delivering a long bomb he was executing a perfectly weighted pass to a moving Hayward.

 

[anotherletdown]

He should be debuting anyway but this could be a perfect match to rest Tommy even if he isn't concussed as North don't have the greatest talls.

PATTY SNELL TRAIN HAS LEFT THE STATION

I like the idea but I want Rampe in the team with him just to coach him through the game. It's both in or both out for me. We're still playing for something

 

[Bloods86]

I like the idea but I want Rampe in the team with him just to coach him through the game. It's both in or both out for me. We're still playing for something

Both out then, given Melican and Hamling should not be dropped. But that means Francis in defence. I'm pretty sure those 2 are experienced enough, one a premiership player and one arguably our best KPD, to help talk through anything with Snell if Rampe isn't there.

 

[Kiama Chris]

Both out then, given Melican and Hamling should not be dropped. But that means Francis in defence. I'm pretty sure those 2 are experienced enough, one a premiership player and one arguably our best KPD, to help talk through anything with Snell if Rampe isn't there.

Was going to say something similar. Can't fit them all in to do that at the moment.
Best for Snell to start off as third tall which is often the role that either Rampe or Blakey play.
Wicks and Cunningham look great together.
This week's back 7 will probably be:
Cunningham Hamling Rampe
Wicks Melican Blakey Roberts/Bice (one needed as an exit player). No room.

 

[bedford]

No I am not. I watched it on Watch AFL Stream. Good vision.

So not there

 

[bedford]

So this is how you think Cox, Longmire, Voss etc plan a forward line? A whole lot of brainless zombies just standing there?

You really are full of it.....

Besides the fact that what you are saying makes absolutely no sense, Campbell wasn't delivering a long bomb he was executing a perfectly weighted pass to a moving Hayward.

You're in fine form today

 

[dosser]

To the Mods, not sure where to post this,

it seems there's already a 'SwansLifer' named poster, a near confusion with my later 'Swan_Lifer'.

Please could my posting name be changed to something else, don't care what (within reason)..

See if you can get 'SparkleLord' or "BedfordIsMrBurns'.

 

[bedford]

See if you can get 'SparkleLord' or "BedfordIsMrBurns'.

You are being naughty again

 

[dosser]

You are being naughty again

Yeah. Should probably catch up for a quiet one in a few weeks?