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[Big Scottknowsall]

I'm a big fan of Stants. I will also qualify that I agree he needs to work on his defencsive side.

But, deep incdefence in that last qtr he made some sensational tackles, desperate, goal saving. And I'm being very serious.

He is working his way into the season very well, I was impressed with his game last night, certainly moreso than most of our onball brigade who were embarrassed (barring mcv).

 

[Ari]

I don't wanna drop Stants, but I do think he needs to put his head over the ball more often. He doesn't play hard enough footy... and I've seen him pull out of a couple in the last few weeks.

 

[Bombermania]

I'm a big fan of Stants. I will also qualify that I agree he needs to work on his defencsive side.

But, deep incdefence in that last qtr he made some sensational tackles, desperate, goal saving. And I'm being very serious.

He is working his way into the season very well, I was impressed with his game last night, certainly moreso than most of our onball brigade who were embarrassed (barring mcv).

Yes he did and it is quite possible that he himself wasn't happy with some of his earlier efforts or Knights may have had a few things to say, over all I don't think dropping him is the answer.

 

[Margim]

The concern is the complete lack of respect he shows his team mates and the jumper by side stepping a contest. On saturday night he looked over his shoulder and stepped out of the way and let Fev come through and take an easy mark.

Now that I can agree with. That's critiquing him for the right reasons... I noticed that moment, I imagine the coaching staff did too. Also several moments where he's been screaming at his teammates for not giving him the ball when he's clearly out of position...

I'm not defending him indefinately. But we have expectations on him for a reason... let's hope it turns around soon.

 

[Smokin]

There is a thread at BB here.

I havnt clicked the link, but I assume the quoting is correct.

“I don’t reckon we are aggressive enough around the footy in the midfield. It’s something we discuss - we do it in spates - but not often enough. If you look at the great midfields like the Brisbane Lions, they won through their sheer toughness and hardness at the ball,” he said.

“We need the Bachar Houlis and (Brent) Stantons to get a bit harder in there, and that’ll come. We work on it every week in training, a few of the older boys might have to whack them over the head in training just to get that toughness back.”

Not sure Im totally happy with publically airing what seems to be dirty laundry against the two by a leader at the club, but cleary we arent the only ones feeling let down.

Houli is an interesting one, with him beig much younger, but I have to say as much as I like him I have noticed a little reluctance to put his body where it should be on a couple of occasions.

Thats a pretty big slap in the face for those two, so how they react will show how much pride they have in themselves.

 

[Gerbil]

I wouldnt be disappointed at all to see stanton traded at the end of the season. How long is his contract? Like someone said, toughness and willingness to put your body on the line is a characteristic that cannot be learned. You either have it or you dont.

 

[Windas_Magic]

I wouldnt be disappointed at all to see stanton traded at the end of the season. How long is his contract? Like someone said, toughness and willingness to put your body on the line is a characteristic that cannot be learned. You either have it or you dont.

Ok, Stanton deserves to be critizied but that is just ridiculous. He is a long term player for us and our best young midfielder. His contract expires at the end of 2010. He plays a couple of bad games and you say he should be traded? What a stupid thing to say

 

[Gerbil]

I'm not saying he should be traded because of the last couple of games. Im saying he should be traded for the player he is now, and the type of player he will be in the future. I posted in another thread with a couple of examples outlining hes softness and lack of determination when it comes to putting his body on the line. You say he is a our best midfielder...

Brent Stanton is not the type of player who as our premier midfielder is going to lead us to flag. Simon Black, Luke Hodge, Dal Santo, any Geelong midfielder, what we've already seen of Rhys Palmer are all examples of players who are the complete package. Players who will lead a side to success.

We should trade him before the rest of the competition realises that he cant kick and simply put is a princess.

 

[Big Scottknowsall]

I'm not saying he should be traded because of the last couple of games. Im saying he should be traded for the player he is now, and the type of player he will be in the future. I posted in another thread with a couple of examples outlining hes softness and lack of determination when it comes to putting his body on the line. You say he is a our best midfielder...

Brent Stanton is not the type of player who as our premier midfielder is going to lead us to flag. Simon Black, Luke Hodge, Dal Santo, any Geelong midfielder, what we've already seen of Rhys Palmer are all examples of players who are the complete package. Players who will lead a side to success.

We should trade him before the rest of the competition realises that he cant kick and simply put is a princess.

Gary Ablett Jnr was hovering around a forward pocket doing very little at Stanton' age....Luke hodge at 20, 21 was not held in hte same regard he is now. Dal Snato and Luke Ball have been going at it for years and have never looked like leading their sid eto success. What are you talking about!!??

The bloke is still a kid, give him timee ffs - you don't have any idea about him, none of us do, but I can assure you his output as a 20yo has been better than most of the premier mids in this comp, and on that I am certianly happy for him to stay at Essendon. Trade him? you're havin' a laugh!

 

[Gerbil]

I didnt say Dal Santo and Hodge were leading their side to success. I said they are examples of the types of players you need to win a flag.

The Ablett comparison is ridiculous. For starters he is only 2 years older than Stanton. And while he might not have been as prominent a midfielder he is now, Gary never showed anything but promise. There were never question marks over his disposal or hardness at the ball.

Judd was All Australian at the age of 20, won the Brownlow at 21, Norm Smith at 22.

Hodge is 23. Dal Santo 24.

Can you see Stanton getting to this level in the next couple of years?

I know there is no chance in hell of him being trading, and I may in fact be "having a laugh" but hereby declare myself departed from the bandwagon.

 

[The Donners]

Gary Ablett Jnr was hovering around a forward pocket doing very little at Stanton' age....Luke hodge at 20, 21 was not held in hte same regard he is now. Dal Snato and Luke Ball have been going at it for years and have never looked like leading their sid eto success. What are you talking about!!??

The bloke is still a kid, give him timee ffs - you don't have any idea about him, none of us do, but I can assure you his output as a 20yo has been better than most of the premier mids in this comp, and on that I am certianly happy for him to stay at Essendon. Trade him? you're havin' a laugh!

Comparing Ablett and Hodge to Stanton is like comparing apples and oranges. Ablett and Hodge have always been awesome with their execution of the ball by hand or by foot... Stanton doesn't even have that. He doesn't have the toughness of Hodge nor the speed of Ablett.

We wouldn't get anything decent for a trade IMO.

Tell me what he offers other than running all day.

He can't kick, he doesn't put his head over the ball, he shirks contests. What's he got?

 

[saladin]

I didnt say Dal Santo and Hodge were leading their side to success. I said they are examples of the types of players you need to win a flag.

The Ablett comparison is ridiculous. For starters he is only 2 years older than Stanton. And while he might not have been as prominent a midfielder he is now, Gary never showed anything but promise. There were never question marks over his disposal or hardness at the ball.

Judd was All Australian at the age of 20, won the Brownlow at 21, Norm Smith at 22.

Hodge is 23. Dal Santo 24.

Can you see Stanton getting to this level in the next couple of years?

I know there is no chance in hell of him being trading, and I may in fact be "having a laugh" but hereby declare myself departed from the bandwagon.

to offer up Dal Santo as a hard at the contest example is ____ing hilarious


as for stanton, the comments from mcveigh would (and should!) sting. i noticed stants was wearing the GPS tracker on saturday night - it's possible the data will reveal to him that he isn't working and running as hard as he thought he was, and we are likely to see an improvement this week. i personally think he is struggling with the game plan and style of play. a few times, though, he started to get involved in the link work as we moved it forward, which was good to see.

 

[Gerbil]

trade him for priddis + draft pick would be the dream

 

[Gerbil]

to offer up Dal Santo as a hard at the contest example is ____ing hilarious

sorry where did i say that?

 

[Burzum]

trade him for priddis + draft pick would be the dream

A dream that will have zero chance of happening.

 

[saladin]

sorry where did i say that?

you're telling us to offload stanton because he's soft, and then list Dal Santo as the type we should be after? hodge i can cop (although the bloke is a sniper), but Dal Santo is just as soft as what you are accusing Stanton of being.

 

[Gerbil]

I didnt list him as a tough player. I listed him as the type of player Stanton is not.

You know what I meant.

(there is no way dal santo is as soft as stanton)

 

[The Donners]

you're telling us to offload stanton because he's soft, and then list Dal Santo as the type we should be after? hodge i can cop (although the bloke is a sniper), but Dal Santo is just as soft as what you are accusing Stanton of being.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x830UM77N8

10x better than Stanton.

Please Note: Can hit a target by foot.

 

[Gerbil]

you're telling us to offload stanton because he's soft

I said thats one of the reasons we should offload him.

 

[Hislop200]

Stanton is a bloody GIRL and he had better pull his finger out, it happens all too often, pulls out of a contest, doesnt quite seem to make a marking contest, this is I think because he times it that way.
At the start of the year he was seen as our best young mid, I for one have never thought he would be a good mid because of what has been stated, but could be a good winger that runs hard and gives an option in defence, he could also become a goal scorer through sheer work rate.
Another thing they had better get his trait out of Houli before it wrecks him.

 

[Shane Hird]

trade him for Priddis + draft pick would be the dream

MMmmm..well I did suggest that we start making plans to get Priddis the day after he won the Sandover medal. Too late now....

Or is It? Big hype,load of shit-could be true-probably isn't worth writing about kind of article in yesterdays Sunday Times by Kim Haghorn suggesting that WC are so desperate to draft Subiaco's 17 year old sensation Daniel Rich,they are already drawing up a list of possible Eagle players to trade for the number one pick in this years draft.

Rosa and Hanson were names that were pulled out of Kim's arse as possible trades.

I'm not saying WC would trade Priddis,but more so about the fact that Stanton could be used as a trade bargining chip in deals with other clubs to maybe get us a MF'er who is slightly 'better' than Brent. By years end,Stanton could be at the same level he's at now..if that is the case,I'd be in the 'lets get rid of him now before we regret it' camp.

 

[Sanj]

Good to see most people in here have the same view as me regarding Stanton.

Someone mentioned about Monty-Fries...he had 12 touches but 10 of them contested. That's surely tells us something about the kid. Two J.Hird like goals...snaps over the shoulder.

 

[The Donners]

Good to see most people in here have the same view as me regarding Stanton.

Someone mentioned about Monty-Fries...he had 12 touches but 10 of them contested. That's surely tells us something about the kid. Two J.Hird like goals...snaps over the shoulder.

Monfries' is the future of our midfield. Does not look bleak to me but there are some that don't rate him, they prefer flashy players with no substance!

 

[Longy413]

Good to see most people in here have the same view as me regarding Stanton.

Someone mentioned about Monty-Fries...he had 12 touches but 10 of them contested. That's surely tells us something about the kid. Two J.Hird like goals...snaps over the shoulder.

I thought Angus was really good, but just keep in mind you can get a contested possession and not a disposal.

So 10 of his 12 disposals didn't come from contested possessions.

To get 10 in a game is a great effort though. 6 free kicks, only critisism of his game is that he drops his knees in a tackle. A lot of blokes do it, it really annoys me.

 

[lamaros]

It's threads like these and make me wonder why I bother checking this forum from time to time. Nothing but idiotic player-bashing from people who have no idea what the hell they are talking about.

Talk of trading Stanton is indeed having a laugh. His disposal is much better than it used to be. So what if he missed one shot on goal and maybe one other kick, his other ball use was very good against Carlton, better than Houli, the guy half of you seem to be in love with (because.. well.. because he is a little bit faster? His kicking is slightly better than Stanton's and his handball is awful while Stantons is good.. and his decisions and composure are much worse than Stanton's).

Seriously, if you're so bored but insist on talking about Essendon talk about stuff that demonstrates some thinking; getting on the back of player x after they have a bad game or two and repeating yourself stupid doesn't do much good.

Oh, and Knights is trying to get Stanton to play in a different way than he did under Sheeds, he's working on a few new aspects of his game that will make him a much better player overall.