Free Agent # 6: Joe Daniher - derp Brisbane player

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Duckworth said:
Well, yeah. Sydney didn't want to give up too much. If they could get him for free next year.
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Bingo.

It’s that simple. It’s irrelevant what Essendon said, Sydney had nothing to lose by offering whatever they were happy to pay and then it’s up to Essendon to say yes or no.

The fact they never put 5 on the table means they didn’t want to pay that. All comments from Gardiner and co. are simply PR because they didn’t want to come out and say Joey wasn’t worth that.
 
Red Black and Blue said:
Maybe they were told no picks would get it done so they stopped offering them. Like they said happened.
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But they didn’t stop offering them, they offered pick 9 and a future first 8-9 days after being told picks wouldn’t get it done. So they were clearly happy to make an offer of only picks after being told that. They just weren’t happy to include 5 in that offer.
 

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Think the bottom line is Swans also consider him a risk and maybe not fully convinced he can come back.

Previous assumption was that they would have been confident of getting him and ok’d Daniher announcing him wanting to leave. But by Barrett’s article (which seems to have close source ...Joe’s management) he surprised Swans with his announcement. Implies to me that Swans may not have been too keen to offer too much.
 
TheGreatBarryB said:
Think the bottom line is Swans also consider him a risk and maybe not fully convinced he can come back.

Previous assumption was that they would have been confident of getting him and ok’d Daniher announcing him wanting to leave. But by Barrett’s article (which seems to have close source ...Joe’s management) he surprised Swans with his announcement. Implies to me that Swans may not have been too keen to offer too much.
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I think the Swans were more surprised that we made it public. They were probably hoping to have some quiet negotiations and walk away with their hands clean if we dug our heels in. Making it public I guess puts a lot more pressure on them to go through with it because making an offer to a contracted player only to baulk at the price isn’t a great look.
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
But they didn’t stop offering them, they offered pick 9 and a future first 8-9 days after being told picks wouldn’t get it done. So they were clearly happy to make an offer of only picks after being told that. They just weren’t happy to include 5 in that offer.
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Which was reported two days out from the close of the window. That isn’t your Hail Mary timeline. That’s a preliminary offer unless you get expressly told otherwise.
 
It does not sound like Sydney really wanted him. I don't know what the heck they promised Joe, but with Sam Reid, Nick Blakey and Buddy Franklin, they don't really need him either. Are they really going to run a forward with four players over 195cm?
 
Mr Mojo Risin said:
Your point?
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It was probably conveyed that picks weren’t getting it done definitely. I find it unlikely that a side comes to their final negotiating position two days out unless their position is miles away from being acceptable. 9 and a future first isnt that far off to 5 and 9 to justify any complete break down, unless the player requirement was still being enforced. Based on both Dodoro and Sydneys post pressers it was still the standard.
 
Red Black and Blue said:
It was probably conveyed that picks weren’t getting it done definitely. I find it unlikely that a side comes to their final negotiating position two days out unless their position is miles away from being acceptable. 9 and a future first isnt that far off to 5 and 9 to justify any complete break down, unless the player requirement was still being enforced. Based on both Dodoro and Sydneys post pressers it was still the standard.
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I have no interest in going around in circles with you. You’re entitled to believe what Gardiner said.

I think actions speak louder. If they were happy to include 5 in an offer they would have made it. The fact they didn’t means they didn’t want to pay that much and were concerned Essendon may have accepted an offer that included it.
 
Q: As a player not wanting to play for EFC, is he going to give 110% next year?
A: Probably not. Should have got rid of him.
 
Arctic fox said:
Q: As a player not wanting to play for EFC, is he going to give 110% next year?
A: Probably not. Should have got rid of him.
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It's not that he didn't want to play at EFC. He just didn't want to play there in Melbourne.
 

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I'll settle for a fit 85%.

Okay 75% dammit.
 
Red Black and Blue said:
The only thing we know was the messaging all way through and after was that we said a player is the minimum starting point, we set them and Joes management the task of finding of one if Sydney couldn’t generate one. At no point was it indicated afterwards by either party that we would have accepted any pick offer.

"We didn't offer 5. We were advised early on that 5 and 9 wouldn't get it done. We didn't need to offer it because it became clear that deal was not going to satisfy Essendon"

If you believe Charlie Gardiner or not that says to me Dodoro categorically got his point across in regards to players.
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Early on. You always start higher than what you want. Ye we would have liked a player but you can take this or leave it ' If Sydney ever offered pick 5 there was a large chance the deal would have been done late once there was no chance of quality players. They where advised we wanted a quality player at the start. That is true.
The simple fact was Sydney never put pick 5 on the table and where not going to. They where adamant it was pick 9 and a future as their best offer. What is also odd is there is no mention of the fact Carlton had not 100% put pick 9 on the table for Papley and if they did there would have been more negotiations with latter pick swaps.
There has been comment that Daniher was tied to the Paley deal but that was all of the Swans doing. They where the ones not offering pick 5 and offering a pick they did not have. The other part was Sydney wanted a second round back if 9 and a future first was the deal.

I will say again. Take it or leave it but in the final few hours pick 5 and a future first round would have got the deal done.
 
Arctic fox said:
Q: As a player not wanting to play for EFC, is he going to give 110% next year?
A: Probably not. Should have got rid of him.
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Tim Kelly.
 
Lore said:
It does not sound like Sydney really wanted him. I don't know what the heck they promised Joe, but with Sam Reid, Nick Blakey and Buddy Franklin, they don't really need him either. Are they really going to run a forward with four players over 195cm?
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This has to have played a part in their position in the trade negotiations as well I think. Add McCartin as another tall type and they are in no great need for tall forwards.

I think their offer was actually pretty to fair and respectful to all and a good decision for their club and list management (given they too need mids).

Either way I think the real value for Essendon now is to work hard at getting Joe to stay as Its difficult to see us getting a better deal at the end of next season
 
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Beerfish said:
It's not that he didn't want to play at EFC. He just didn't want to play there in Melbourne.
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That's one theory. We also heard throughout that he was upset over the injury management. And that he wasn't. And that he was staying.

Anyone else think that if it was living at melborne that was the issue, the club should've tried harder to sell the notion of other clubs to him? A lot of clubs not based in melbourne these days.
 
yodellinhank said:
That's one theory. We also heard throughout that he was upset over the injury management. And that he wasn't. And that he was staying.

Anyone else think that if it was living at melborne that was the issue, the club should've tried harder to sell the notion of other clubs to him? A lot of clubs not based in melbourne these days.
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Do we actually believe that he wants out of Melbourne?

He wanted to get to the Sydney Swans.
 
yodellinhank said:
That's one theory. We also heard throughout that he was upset over the injury management. And that he wasn't. And that he was staying.

Anyone else think that if it was living at melborne that was the issue, the club should've tried harder to sell the notion of other clubs to him? A lot of clubs not based in melbourne these days.
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He hates the attention plus he has some really strong ties with Sydney. Sydney being his choice makes perfect sense. Also, worth mentioning the fact that he was closer to going to Sydney as a youngster than people might realise. He trained at both Essendon and Sydney at different stages prior to making his decision to join Essendon.
 
he comes across as a little bit of an entitled, spoilt brat who has spat the dummy after not getting what he wants.
 
Is anyone really surprised at any of this? He’s gone, we probably should’ve done the deal but whatever, we’ve taken the risk.

Bet your bottom dollar that the media and communications specialists will be on about this more than once a week for the next year and probably longer. Their job is no longer to report the news, it’s to create the news. Once you view things through that lens, it makes sense
 
jmoo wan said:
he comes across as a little bit of an entitled, spoilt brat who has spat the dummy after not getting what he wants.
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I've felt this a bit as well but tempered it given the litany of mistakes our club makes as an employer. I can't blame him for wanting to go somewhere else.

Even just looking at the probability of future premiership success Sydney are arguably better placed than us as well - despite our marketing hype and 2018 ladder placings - they are just a better run club than we are.
 
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CBombers17 said:
I've felt this a bit as well but tempered it given the litany of mistakes our club makes as an employer. I can't blame him for wanting to go somewhere else.

Even just looking at the probability of future premiership success Sydney are arguably better placed than us as well - despite our marketing hype and 2018 ladder placings - they are just a better run club than we are.
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If us fans can see this, you would hope to god that someone at EFC also has that view and will finally do something about it rather than the bullshit PR campaigns each year which have been backed up with nothing on the field...
 
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