Player Watch #6: Taylor Garner - “being managed carefully”, and the virtues of wowserism

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Garner looks in good nick to me, maybe his first pre-season since 2017?

I reckon many young players get shit faced but no one knows about it. None of it really matters unless garner and Lmac stink it up in 2019 and onwards
 

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Thank you so much

5. Conclusion
Both the affects of alcohol on human physiology and the parameters that determine athletic performance are multi-factorial and extremely complicated. A significant body of literature has established an array of adverse symptoms caused by acute alcohol ingestion. However the notion that alcohol consumption effects performance has not received enough consistent validation to advance beyond being anecdotal. Nevertheless, just because alcohol is not yet comprehensively shown to have a negative influence on performance, does not imply this review advocates its use prior to, or following competition. Indeed, the data demonstrates a severe lack of analysis on the possible detrimental action of alcohol in the recovering athlete. However, based on the available experimental evidence in cellular and rodent-models, athletes should remain wary of ingesting alcohol following intense exercise, focusing instead on effective dietary strategies proven to enhance recovery.
So you're just going to cherry pick 1 sentence that fits your narrative and bypass all the points I made in my response to you. Welcome to science, where if you give definitive conclusions someone will call you out years later and those people will also call you out for not having definitive responses.

So many seem to be missing the point.

Again, this isn’t an incident related issue, moreso it’s an attitude and behavioral one.
No one has done anything wrong here that requires sanctioning or club intervention.

The facts as they stand are if you are an AFL player with a 3 year contract on your head and are yet to prove yourself as a footballer, then heading out to the St.Kilda Baths every Saturday night is literally taking the piss out of yourself, the club and it’s members. Moderation doesn’t exist here folks.

Understand that really the only ones being let down here are the lads themselves because this will only fuel what could be potentially wasted careers. Their priorities are nowhere near the level needed for ultimate success.

2019 just got a whole lot more interesting and intriguing for these two.
I'm going to reject this criticism and take it that you want both to have no freedom!!!
 

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Not sure when it became a crime on here to wish our very well paid players to be less "free" and more disciplined to bring home our fifth flag. We're not a big club, we're not a rich club and if they want ultimate success then they need to personally hold themselves to a higher standard than many of their peers. It's not ideal, but it's the truth. If a player isn't ready to do that then they should ask for a trade to Carlton.
 

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So you're just going to cherry pick 1 sentence that fits your narrative and bypass all the points I made in my response to you. Welcome to science, where if you give definitive conclusions someone will call you out years later and those people will also call you out for not having definitive responses.


I'm going to reject this criticism and take it that you want both to have no freedom!!!
You jumped from wowserism about footy players to claiming most workplaces should have the right to even know or care what employees get up to outside work hours. You can't extrapolate like that and then claim to have some scientific cred however many letters you've got after your name. Somehow we need to adjust your avatar so there is some recursive dissappearing thing above that bald noggin #overeggingit
 

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You jumped from wowserism about footy players to claiming most workplaces should have the right to even know or care what employees get up to outside work hours. You can't extrapolate like that and then claim to have some scientific cred however many letters you've got after your name. Somehow we need to adjust your avatar so there is some recursive dissappearing thing above that bald noggin #overeggingit
It's called trying to relate things to people so they understand. You see, knowledge translation is important. When you come across people that have an opinion on an issue despite never having worked with that population you have to relate it to them. Now I tried, but people will continue to kick up a fuss and move the goal posts and rightfully/ignorantly miss the point (like clutching to a player's freedom instead of taking in all points made). It may be my fault for not relating it well enough but I don't think that's the case in my opinion.

I can claim to have scientific cred based on the letters I have after my name, I've earned that right. No amount of complaining changes that because if you and I write a manuscript and submit it to a journal one gets marked as spam, the other gets published. If myself and an accountant turned up to help someone with their finances I would be ushered out the door. People have credibility over others in various situations. You may disagree but the majority would not.

Instead of continuing in this circle of you missing points and engaging for the sake of engaging perhaps for the betterment of this thread it should be left alone. Please direct all continuing messages to https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/members/tigs2010.93319/
 

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Instead of continuing in this circle of you missing points and engaging for the sake of engaging perhaps for the betterment of this thread it should be left alone.




How patronising
A couple of us have picked you up on your moralistic crapola and then flatly rejected your idiotic alcohol comments
It is not the footy season, they are not 'performing'

You posted 15 times deliberately trying to get these blokes in hot water
It is not a good look
 

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Not the only one sleepy reading this rubbish

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Given your responses in this thread that doesn't phase me in the slightest.
How patronising
A couple of us have picked you up on your moralistic crapola and then flatly rejected your idiotic alcohol comments
It is not the footy season, they are not 'performing'

You posted 15 times deliberately trying to get these blokes in hot water
It is not a good look
Idiotic alcohol comments? You mean the two posts you refused to acknowledge because you were proven wrong. You jumped over the facts and selected 1 sentence from the article Blackshadow posted. Highlighting that some people only hear what they want to hear.

1) I never brought it up
2) We've been told on multiple occasions that no one gives a shit about bigfooty.
3) I haven't posted anything to get players in trouble
Condescension is the weakest part of your posting
Thank you for your feedback. I'll be sure to work on how to correctly engage people that complain about freedom and alcohol whilst missing the point. It's a weakness of mine to try and inform and encourage critical thinking. Clearly a lost cause in this case.
 

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Thank you for your feedback. I'll be sure to work on how to correctly engage people that complain about freedom and alcohol whilst missing the point. It's a weakness of mine to try and inform and encourage critical thinking. Clearly a lost cause in this case.
Just for reference back handed compliments are my weakness.

My point was there is a lot of effort being put into this thread for no significant gains for anyone. Of all the pointless discussions we have here on BF, my preference would be that people waste their time elsewhere.
 

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Given your responses in this thread that doesn't phase me in the slightest.

Idiotic alcohol comments? You mean the two posts you refused to acknowledge because you were proven wrong. You jumped over the facts and selected 1 sentence from the article Blackshadow posted. Highlighting that some people only hear what they want to hear.

1) I never brought it up
2) We've been told on multiple occasions that no one gives a shit about bigfooty.
3) I haven't posted anything to get players in trouble

Thank you for your feedback. I'll be sure to work on how to correctly engage people that complain about freedom and alcohol whilst missing the point. It's a weakness of mine to try and inform and encourage critical thinking. Clearly a lost cause in this case.

no your weakness is that you are an opinionated loudmouth i wld let this go but you post a lot and you have at other times carried on about players having a drink
 
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So you're just going to cherry pick 1 sentence that fits your narrative and bypass all the points I made in my response to you. Welcome to science, where if you give definitive conclusions someone will call you out years later and those people will also call you out for not having definitive responses.

I'm going to reject this criticism and take it that you want both to have no freedom!!!


I'll hold them at bay but you need to get to the alcohol inhibiting mitochondria shit real soon if we're going to close this out and get home in one piece.
 

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Instead of continuing in this circle of you missing points and engaging for the sake of engaging perhaps for the betterment of this thread it should be left alone.




How patronising
A couple of us have picked you up on your moralistic crapola and then flatly rejected your idiotic alcohol comments
It is not the footy season, they are not 'performing'

You posted 15 times deliberately trying to get these blokes in hot water
It is not a good look
To be fair, yes it is footy season for these guys, all be it pre season. More than anything it shows a lack of discipline, but for some on here that doesn't matter, each to their own. Finally I think if anyone who has access to the photos and video hasn't posted these publicly, they clearly aren't "trying to get these blokes in hot water".
 

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Any chance you could send this to every Humanities department in the country?
I wish I could. The Humanities is dead and soon we will be too. The Clementine Ford's have the world now. Our brothers have forsaken us and taken the easy path. We are outnumbered, we are outgunned, and facts are too easily dismissed.



I'll hold them at bay but you need to get to the alcohol inhibiting mitochondria shit real soon if we're going to close this out and get home in one piece.
Leave me. There is no place in this world for the sorcery known as science. Soon I shall be drinking water from curved horns. I shall not enter Odin's hall with fear. There I shall wait for Scott and Joyce to join me. And when they do I shall bask in their tales of triumph. My death comes without apology. And I welcome the valkyries to summon me home.

 

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Pfffft, as if!
I wish I could. The Humanities is dead and soon we will be too. The Clementine Ford's have the world now. Our brothers have forsaken us and taken the easy path. We are outnumbered, we are outgunned, and facts are too easily dismissed.
Oh please, some silly moo that made a career out of teenage angst would collapse if her espresso machine broke down.

She chucks rocks at the very thing that sustains her own platform.
 

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Don't you guys think you're over doing it a little?
Injured or not, the club knows he is our most talented player on the list. He will be fine.
 
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