Player Watch #69: Jason Horne-Francis - Selection 1 in the 2021 Draft - Welcome to North Melbourne

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Nutjob

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Neither were ever top 10 players in the competition.

Wells possibly top 30 at some point and Goldstein maybe top 20. As good as Goldstein has been for us, the fact that he has been our best player in 20 years is an indictment on our recruiting and development.

Wells was also pick 2, which suggests to me what you need to do to bring in elite players.


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Unyielding Bosom

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Neither were ever top 10 players in the competition.

Wells possibly top 30 at some point and Goldstein maybe top 20. As good as Goldstein has been for us, the fact that he has been our best player in 20 years is an indictment on our recruiting and development.

Wells was also pick 2, which suggests to me what you need to do to bring in elite players.


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Boomer definitely was at one point (2008ish)
 

Nutjob

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You could make an argument for him being the best player in the comp in 2007, 2008.
Lol that is absurd.

Here are some names from that era:

Judd
Hall
Brown
Goodes
Pavlich
Riewoldt
Cox
Franklin
Kerr
Cousins
Ablett jnr
Scarlett
Hodge
Fevola
Black

I loved boomer, but he wasn’t in the same class as above.



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AnEmptyChair

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Lol that is absurd.

Here are some names from that era:

Judd
Hall
Brown
Goodes
Pavlich
Brown
Riewoldt
Cox
Franklin
Kerr
Cousins
Ablett jnr
Scarlett
Hodge
Fevola

I loved boomer, but he wasn’t a generational player.



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Harvey was definitely top 10, maybe top 5, in 2007/08, regardless of those names. All-Australian in both years and finished 2nd in the Brownlow in 2007 and equal 6th in 2008.

I also disagree with your earlier post about Goldy being our best player in 20 years. Boomer and Cunners were/are both better. David King ranked the best North players of the modern era (since about 1990) during the footy shutdown in 2020 and he had Cunners at 8 and Harvey at 2, and Goldy not in the top 10. The other week at the Syd Barker he also said Cunners is someone who should be in consideration if they were to extend the interchange in the North Team of the Century.
 

Nutjob

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Harvey was definitely top 10, maybe top 5, in 2007/08, regardless of those names. All-Australian in both years and finished 2nd in the Brownlow in 2007 and equal 6th in 2008.

I also disagree with your earlier post about Goldy being our best player in 20 years. Boomer and Cunners were/are both better. David King ranked the best North players of the modern era (since about 1990) during the footy shutdown in 2020 and he had Cunners at 8 and Harvey at 2, and Goldy not in the top 10. The other week at the Syd Barker he also said Cunners is someone who should be in consideration if they were to extend the interchange in the North Team of the Century.
Basically all those players would have been AA during those years and I personally don’t hold the Brownlow as a good gauge of where a player is at in the game. Angus Brayshaw came second in a Brownlow a few years ago…… Would you have him ranked him at number 2 in the league?

I take your point that Cunnington deserves more credit as our best player, but whether it is Cunnington, Goldy, Boomer or Wells, I don’t think any have ever been a top 10 player in the league.


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brooksnk

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Boomer legitimate contender for best player in the comp across 2007/2008.

Avergaed 24 touches and 1.5 goals a game in 2007. But if you remember how he changed games off his own foot, the numbers dont even reflect how good he was.

Keep in mind that Boomer was also the best kick in the comp, arguably ever. This is a nice infographic that really shows how he was not only the best, but how far above second he was...

Ffs, the guy racked up 36.24 and averaged 22 touches in his last season. Will still never forgive Brad Scott for showing him the door. The darkest moment in my living history of this club. Even if that first 'rebuild' was successful - there was no sane reason to show him the door. It makes me angry to this day.

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AnEmptyChair

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Basically all those players would have been AA during those years and I personally don’t hold the Brownlow as a good gauge of where a player is at in the game. Angus Brayshaw came second in a Brownlow a few years ago…… Would you have him ranked him at number 2 in the league?

I take your point that Cunnington deserves more credit as our best player, but whether it is Cunnington, Goldy, Boomer or Wells, I don’t think any have ever been a top 10 player in the league.


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Mate, I think you're forgetting just how good Boomer was in 2007 in particular, but throughout that period. Three All-Australians between 2005 and 2008 and, as I already said, a 2nd and a 6th in the Brownlow. It wasn't a one-off, so I don't think your Brayshaw comparison has merit. He did it consisnetly. He also got the hardest, dedicated tag every week and still dominated, pretty much single-handedly dragging us to a top 4 spot in 2007 when we were on of the pre-season favourites for the wooden spoon IIRC.

Edit: Just checked. He averages 24 touches a game and kicked 36 goals for the year in 2007 playing in the midfield. That's absurdly good by any metric. He was 10th in the league for most disposals, but kicked more goals than any player ranked in the top 20 for disposals (I think). Also 3rd in the league for most goal assists.
 
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brooksnk

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Lol that is absurd.

Here are some names from that era:

Judd
Hall
Brown
Goodes
Pavlich
Riewoldt
Cox
Franklin
Kerr
Cousins
Ablett jnr
Scarlett
Hodge
Fevola
Black

I loved boomer, but he wasn’t in the same class as above.



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The only play I would say is a conclusively better player than Boomer from that list is Ablett jnr. Everyone else you can find other players that play the exact same role. The impact and uniqueness of Harvey's style of play and effectiveness per possession is not matched nor could be replicated by any other player on that list.
 

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