Moved Thread #7: Jack Ziebell [Part I] © -

[D23D]

Have a good rest Jack. You bloody well earned it.
We are proud of you mate.

ps, give our young blokes a big gee up before the scum game!

 

[Snake_Baker]

Have a good rest Jack. You bloody well earned it.
We are proud of you mate.

ps, give our young blokes a big gee up before the scum game!

Hear, hear!

 

[tales129]

Has to play forward next year

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

At worst, Jack has been too committed to the club.

He's a club legend, will smash them next year.

Just get some ******* speed around him.

 

[Flawed Genius]

Certainly is a different look without Ziebell in the centre square.

I thought Dumont had a much better game in his absence. Swallow, too, was great.

Cunnington well down on usual output but having to go up against a midfield with Myers, Merrett, Heppell and Watson would blunt his influence somewhat.

More and more I wonder if we are better served with the time-honoured "put Jack deep in the 50" ploy. It has worked with Dangerfield and I see no reason why Jack, probably a more natural forward than Dangerfield, can't have the same sort of output. As long as he doesn't spoil Browny.

 

[tazaa]

Certainly is a different look without Ziebell in the centre square.

I thought Dumont had a much better game in his absence. Swallow, too, was great.

Cunnington well down on usual output but having to go up against a midfield with Myers, Merrett, Heppell and Watson would blunt his influence somewhat.

More and more I wonder if we are better served with the time-honoured "put Jack deep in the 50" ploy. It has worked with Dangerfield and I see no reason why Jack, probably a more natural forward than Dangerfield, can't have the same sort of output. As long as he doesn't spoil Browny.

Posted exact same thing in the Swallow player thread.
Jack just seems to get in the way

 

[Jindrrk]

Was looking for pics of Jack for the star wars Ziebell/Hogan gif and came across this heh:

http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Jack+Ziebell/North+Melbourne+Kangaroos+Training+Session/kenG2J-pon1

Jack AKA Ben Warren Ziebell.

 

[Devington]

NOT
A
FORWARD

 

[Flawed Genius]

NOT
A
FORWARD

wat

 

[Devington]

Just trying out my new Brad Scott impression. I know the written word isn't as effective at communicating impressions as speaking out loud, but I personally think i got it spot on.

 

[Quivorir]

NOT
A
FORWARD

100% a forward.

 

[Heaps of fun]

His 3rd goal for the night was his 100th.

 

[roojor]

Seventy percent foward rest on the ball is a must

 

[Deadeyeroo]

NOT
A
FORWARD

Please

Seventy percent foward rest on the ball is a must

80/20 forward for me. He has the smarts and would be a difficult matchup for any team. Lets hope we pickup Martin.

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[FastLife]

Found Ben Brown's partner for the next few years imo. Did a good job up forward. Shame he'll be suspended for a few games.

 

[Benno_900]

Should have been perma-forward since that Adelaide game in Hobart 3 or 4 years ago.

Scott really is a moron.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Should have been perma-forward since that Adelaide game in Hobart 3 or 4 years ago.

Scott really is a moron.

What would be the point of that when we would get slaughtered even worse in the midfield due to Jacks absence?

JZ at FF would end up with frost bite.

This is the reason I entertain trades for Rockliff &/or Miles.

 

[Benno_900]

What would be the point of that when we would get slaughtered even worse in the midfield due to Jacks absence?

JZ at FF would end up with frost bite.

This is the reason I entertain trades for Rockliff &/or Miles.

The fact that you believe JZ is an effective midfielder is quite alarming.

 

[ferball]

The fact that you believe JZ is an effective midfielder is quite alarming.

His presence in the midfield is more effective than people give credit for.

 

[shimaburnsgrieg]

His presence in the midfield is more effective than people give credit for.

Our midfield is poor across all aspects of spread, skill, pace, teamwork.

When Goldie was good he was able to cover up the weaknesses of our midfielders - now that he is gone they are exposed for all opponents to see.

Cunners, JZ, Dumont and Swallow are an 1980's midfield collection - even Brad recognises we need 'reinforcements' now.

How it has got to this after 8 years of Brad and the list management team is the question that needs answering.

 

[ferball]

Our midfield is poor across all aspects of spread, skill, pace, teamwork.

When Goldie was good he was able to cover up the weaknesses of our midfielders - now that he is gone they are exposed for all opponents to see.

Cunners, JZ, Dumont and Swallow are an 1980's midfield collection - even Brad recognises we need 'reinforcements' now.

How it has got to this after 8 years of Brad and the list management team is the question that needs answering.

Yep and its worse without JZ in there.

I'd have Dumont/Swallow and Cunnington and speed to spread in the midfield and JZ on the forward line.

But when Goldy was good we had Wells, Dal Santo and Boomer who all provided a bit of speed and spread. We had Cunners, Spitta, JZ and Wells at times all in the top 50 for tackling and Ben Jacobs tagging as well. Completely different structure that "seemed" to work.

 

[Deadeyeroo]

What would be the point of that when we would get slaughtered even worse in the midfield due to Jacks absence?

JZ at FF would end up with frost bite.

This is the reason I entertain trades for Rockliff &/or Miles.

Absolute rubbish. Ziebs has probably played less that 5% forward this year, nowhere near enough. You're showing either how little you know about football or how little you've actually watched. Our inside 50 count this year has actually been pretty good. It's the quality of ball that comes in that's been poor and Ziebs probably accounts for around 15-20% of that.

 

[jess_1804]

Good with his 5 goals and all, but what the hell was he doing taking a kick out!?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

He was fantastic as a forward at the end of 2014, barely been tried since.

 

[fusion]

I see Ziebell's strengths as contested ball (20th in AFL), defensive pressure (16th in tackles), and is a reasonably good mark and set shot at goal.

The negatives are he isn't quick, and often kicks the ball long without even looking at his options. He has the highest turnovers at the club with 5 per game (16th in the AFL), 8th highest clangers in the AFL, and his disposal efficiency is poor at 64.5%.

We have too many of these plodding midfielders that don't break lines. It may be an unfair comparison to Ziebell, but Treloar (who is slightly better with his disposal efficiency at 69%) averages 8 more disposals a game and averages more tackles, centre clearances, insides 50s, goal assists, and bounces. Treloar was breaking lines last night, and we need more players of his type than the Ziebell/Cunnington mould.

I see Ziebell as too slow and not good enough a kick to play in the backline, and would prefer to see him play more as forward, with occasional periods in the midfield. Whether that fits into our structure with Brown/Wood next year remains to be seen. Obviously we need to replace him in the midfield with a different type of player.

Ziebell would have been the perfect player in the 90s.