Past #8: Daniel Wells - joins Collingwood as a FA - North get pick #32 as compensation

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Dal Santo was 30 and netted saints a 2nd rounder for a 3 year deal. Not sure he had a stellar 2013 either though not sure. We should be getting similar compo for a similar aged player leaving for similar length deal but one who will be top 5 B&F in a finals side.
 
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Anyone know what coals Wellsy has in the fire away from football? Can't seem him getting anything worthwhile in the media or going into coaching post retirement. Can't begrudge him for guaranteeing himself another year's salary.

If I'm not mistaken, the cap is supposed to be going up next year or the one after, right? Collingwood could probably handle that extra year in that event.
 

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Age is also taken into consideration.
No, I don't think it is anymore.

Happy to be proven wrong but I'm pretty sure in the update to the compensation gradings of late last season the AFL changed it to be contingent on wage and contract and took age out of the equation.
 

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We have no reason to attack and show any animosity towards Wellsy. Regardless of his decision.

If he goes, he leaves a North legend, and one of the best players to watch in the history of the club. Respect.

If you haven't enjoyed watching Wells play over the last decade you might as well pack up shop.

Show some respect.
 

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No, I don't think it is anymore.

Happy to be proven wrong but I'm pretty sure in the update to the compensation gradings of late last season the AFL changed it to be contingent on wage and contract and took age out of the equation.
Really? Cool.

2nd rounder then.
 
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If Pies offer is true, he has to take that. Way better than what we have likely to have offered and he'll be in a midfield where he is less likely to be tagged each week. Not an easy decision to make I'd imagine.
 
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We have no reason to attack and show any animosity towards Wellsy. Regardless of his decision.

If he goes, he leaves a North legend, and one of the best players to watch in the history of the club. Respect.

If you haven't enjoyed watching Wells play over the last decade you might as well pack up shop.

Show some respect.
All due respect people can choose for themselves whether there's reason to attack or show animosity towards him.

He's a sublimely talented player who didn't perhaps always present in the best condition he could, sometimes picked and chose when he applied himself and appears to have been well compensated for large periods where he was unable to get on the park.

Not sure I'd categorise him as a legend of the club but we're all going to see it differently.
 

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Dal Santo was 30 and netted saints a 2nd rounder for a 3 year deal. Not sure he had a stellar 2013 either though not sure. We should be getting similar compo for a similar aged player leaving for similar length deal but one who will be top 5 B&F in a finals side.
They've changed the compo formula to make it more restrictive since then.
 

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So if Wells if going to earn 500k for 3 years, where does this put him? 5%, 10%, 15% or 20%?


CLUBS will only receive a first-round compensation pick after losing a free agent in 2015 if the player's new contract ranks them among the top five per cent of AFL wage earners aged 25 and older.

The AFL last week gave club CEOs their first indication of the factors taken into account when determining free agency compensation.

It is believed the CEOs were told the 2015 threshold for a first-round compensation selection is significantly higher this year compared to 2014, when Melbourne received pick No.3 as compensation for losing defender James Frawley to Hawthorn.

It was revealed that the AFL adds all the base and additional services agreement (ASA) payments of players aged 25 or older, of whom there are about 270, to determine where the free agent's new contract sits.

AFL.com.au understands that if a free agent's new contract puts them in the top five per cent of that group at the time the free agency offer is lodged, then their former club is eligible to receive a first-round compensation pick.

To put that figure in perspective, a wage that ranks in the top five per cent of players aged 25-plus would put the free agent among the game's top 15 earners.

Despite the clubs' push to know what that might mean in dollar terms, the AFL explained it was impossible to attach a specific dollar figure to compensation because the numbers constantly changed.

That means the minimum threshold for a first-round compensation pick can change from year to year – or even week-to-week – depending on how many players aged 25 and above move into the higher earning wage category when the offer is lodged.

However, clubs left the meeting with the impression the minimum threshold had increased this year, compared to 2014, due to a surge in the number of AFL players aged 25 and above earning a high wage in 2015.

The AFL also explained that if a player's contract offer ranked in the next 10 per cent band then he would command compensation at the end of the first round, the next 15 per cent earned a second-round pick and the next 20 per cent earned a pick at the end of the second round.

It means that of all 2015's mooted free agency moves, only the new contract reportedly being offered to Adelaide's free agent Patrick Dangerfield is close to earning first-round compensation in this year's trade period, although even this remains uncertain.

In 2014, the AFL annual report showed that six per cent of AFL players (which includes those under 25 and therefore not part of the sample relevant to compensation) earned more than $600,000. However, the figure needed to earn a first-round pick would be different this year.
 

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All due respect people can choose for themselves whether there's reason to attack or show animosity towards him.

He's a sublimely talented player who didn't perhaps always present in the best condition he could, sometimes picked and chose when he applied himself and appears to have been well compensated for large periods where he was unable to get on the park.

Not sure I'd categorise him as a legend of the club but we're all going to see it differently.
Fair enough mate. I don't think he deserves the animosity directed at him IMO. He is a sensational young man and very respectful of everyone.

I'm sure there are a few on field instances he'd like to take back. I always thought he presented well, blood clots and Dish wrecking his foot I don't hold against him.

If he chooses to leave, fair enough, thanks for the service. I still hope he stays. We are very vanilla without him.

Easily legend status, IMO.
 

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So if Wells if going to earn 500k for 3 years, where does this put him? 5%, 10%, 15% or 20%?


CLUBS will only receive a first-round compensation pick after losing a free agent in 2015 if the player's new contract ranks them among the top five per cent of AFL wage earners aged 25 and older.

The AFL last week gave club CEOs their first indication of the factors taken into account when determining free agency compensation.

It is believed the CEOs were told the 2015 threshold for a first-round compensation selection is significantly higher this year compared to 2014, when Melbourne received pick No.3 as compensation for losing defender James Frawley to Hawthorn.

It was revealed that the AFL adds all the base and additional services agreement (ASA) payments of players aged 25 or older, of whom there are about 270, to determine where the free agent's new contract sits.

AFL.com.au understands that if a free agent's new contract puts them in the top five per cent of that group at the time the free agency offer is lodged, then their former club is eligible to receive a first-round compensation pick.

To put that figure in perspective, a wage that ranks in the top five per cent of players aged 25-plus would put the free agent among the game's top 15 earners.

Despite the clubs' push to know what that might mean in dollar terms, the AFL explained it was impossible to attach a specific dollar figure to compensation because the numbers constantly changed.

That means the minimum threshold for a first-round compensation pick can change from year to year – or even week-to-week – depending on how many players aged 25 and above move into the higher earning wage category when the offer is lodged.

However, clubs left the meeting with the impression the minimum threshold had increased this year, compared to 2014, due to a surge in the number of AFL players aged 25 and above earning a high wage in 2015.

The AFL also explained that if a player's contract offer ranked in the next 10 per cent band then he would command compensation at the end of the first round, the next 15 per cent earned a second-round pick and the next 20 per cent earned a pick at the end of the second round.

It means that of all 2015's mooted free agency moves, only the new contract reportedly being offered to Adelaide's free agent Patrick Dangerfield is close to earning first-round compensation in this year's trade period, although even this remains uncertain.

In 2014, the AFL annual report showed that six per cent of AFL players (which includes those under 25 and therefore not part of the sample relevant to compensation) earned more than $600,000. However, the figure needed to earn a first-round pick would be different this year.
It'll maybe be a second round, much more likely an end of second round.
 

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So if Wells if going to earn 500k for 3 years, where does this put him? 5%, 10%, 15% or 20%?


CLUBS will only receive a first-round compensation pick after losing a free agent in 2015 if the player's new contract ranks them among the top five per cent of AFL wage earners aged 25 and older.

The AFL last week gave club CEOs their first indication of the factors taken into account when determining free agency compensation.

It is believed the CEOs were told the 2015 threshold for a first-round compensation selection is significantly higher this year compared to 2014, when Melbourne received pick No.3 as compensation for losing defender James Frawley to Hawthorn.

It was revealed that the AFL adds all the base and additional services agreement (ASA) payments of players aged 25 or older, of whom there are about 270, to determine where the free agent's new contract sits.

AFL.com.au understands that if a free agent's new contract puts them in the top five per cent of that group at the time the free agency offer is lodged, then their former club is eligible to receive a first-round compensation pick.

To put that figure in perspective, a wage that ranks in the top five per cent of players aged 25-plus would put the free agent among the game's top 15 earners.

Despite the clubs' push to know what that might mean in dollar terms, the AFL explained it was impossible to attach a specific dollar figure to compensation because the numbers constantly changed.

That means the minimum threshold for a first-round compensation pick can change from year to year – or even week-to-week – depending on how many players aged 25 and above move into the higher earning wage category when the offer is lodged.

However, clubs left the meeting with the impression the minimum threshold had increased this year, compared to 2014, due to a surge in the number of AFL players aged 25 and above earning a high wage in 2015.

The AFL also explained that if a player's contract offer ranked in the next 10 per cent band then he would command compensation at the end of the first round, the next 15 per cent earned a second-round pick and the next 20 per cent earned a pick at the end of the second round.

It means that of all 2015's mooted free agency moves, only the new contract reportedly being offered to Adelaide's free agent Patrick Dangerfield is close to earning first-round compensation in this year's trade period, although even this remains uncertain.

In 2014, the AFL annual report showed that six per cent of AFL players (which includes those under 25 and therefore not part of the sample relevant to compensation) earned more than $600,000. However, the figure needed to earn a first-round pick would be different this year.
So top 15 paid players above 25 seems out of reach (I can think of 10 off the top of my head) but top 30 could come into play which would mean end of first round. Id take pick 19 - 20 for Wells in a heartbeat given his age
 
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