Past #8: Daniel Wells - joins Collingwood as a FA - North get pick #32 as compensation

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"The skipper flagged that those not living up to the accepted standards would likely pay this Thursday when the team to face the Brisbane Lions on Sunday is named."

Think this line is getting a little tired and to be honest if you're having to make these statements after 1 Round off the back of a Preliminary Final smashing, then something is seriously off.
Yep, hence why I bolded it and included the gif.
 

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I think a coach needs to recognise and 'exploit' (use) both forms of motivation. Fundamentally I like that Brad adopts an 'Appreciative Inquiry' philosophy that focuses on strengths. The thinking is that when you focus on them, and develop them, you get "strong strengths". It also links to the 'heliotropic effect' - that people turn to what it brightest and best (aspirations) and a facilitated approach is about evoking this from the players.

And/but, one way I view the 'extrinsic' issue here is akin to a 'boundary setting' technique (works with pets, kids and adults!) I learned once, that goes like this:
  1. Request. ('Charge neutral'/matter-of-fact request for what you want, and an explanation of why.)
  2. Remind and Restate the Request. (People are only human. They may have forgotten, or not fully understood the reason or priority etc.)
  3. Warn. (Again, 'charge neutral' letting them know that if "x" happens again (the request that they hopefully agreed to in step 1 is ignored), then there will be a certain commensurate consequence.)
  4. Sanction. You simply carry out the sanction communicated in the step above. No surprises, no angst.
The problem is when you do the unassertive thing (Steps 1, 2, and 3 but don't do 4... you're a toothless tiger). Or, when you go straight to Step 4 which misses the education that goes on in Steps 1-3 (and that's what those steps are about), then that confuses people and/or makes them resentful and trust and connection are diminished.

So what? I reckon Brad needs to have a clear Step 3 and 4 on occasion. The 'boundary' being certain minimum levels of performance.
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Less Carrot

More Stick.
 

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seriously you could find an article from 3 years ago saying the same crap....
Yes, but 3 years ago I wouldn't be saying the things I have in the last couple of days.

Our standing in the competition has moved on to a different level of expectation and the bar is considerably higher than it was back then.

Where I was once a hope type, I've moved on to a demand type.

I hope the coach has, as have the players. If we haven't we won't make it.
 

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Yep, hence why I bolded it and included the gif.
If Swallow is the man and agrees with the coach - maybe he should be one of those to nominate who he won't run out with on Sunday (in house of course). If there need to be minimum's and it is obvious maybe the "leadership group" need to take some of that responsibility from Brad and out who they believe can't be trusted to perform - even if it might be one of them or themselves.
 

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seriously you could find an article from 3 years ago saying the same crap....
went and had a look, cut it down a bit but you'll get the feel.

2012 after the Bulldogs game.

THEY are teasers, North Melbourne. Dirty, rotten, scoundrel teasers.

The Bulldogs won the contested ball by a whopping 55. I can recall Ross Lyon, then the St Kilda coach, once bemoaning his team losing the contested count by 12, so 55 is an embarrassment.

That's what happens when you play meek football - or you are forced to, as was the case yesterday.

The Bulldogs brought effort and a solid game plan. The Kangas left their hearts at home.

The Kangas did not work hard enough to win the ball and did not apply nearly enough pressure when they did not have it.

The Bulldogs beat them in clearances (+10), tackles (+8) disposals (+65), uncontested possessions (+22) and inside 50s (+11).


McCartney likes one-on-one footy, numbers at contests and a ferocious hunger. Yesterday the Kangas liked none of those.

Perhaps North coach Brad Scott should get a highlights reel of the Bulldogs' Daniel Cross and show it to his players. They won't see Cross bouncing the ball down the wing, selling candy, but a performance loaded with desperation, courage and inspiration.

The Bulldogs' game plan appeared to be simple - play hard, be first to the ball, find your opponent and gang tackle to stop short handballs slipping out .


That said, there should not be too much finger-pointing today.

At Arden St, once it starts, it could turn into a finger-pointing festival.

Yep, North was that bad against a team which was that good in the basic fundamentals of the game.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...against-bulldogs/story-fn5937w8-1226354308793
 

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Yes, but 3 years ago I wouldn't be saying the things I have in the last couple of days.

Our standing in the competition has moved on to a different level of expectation and the bar is considerably higher than it was back then.

Where I was once a hope type, I've moved on to a demand type.

I hope the coach has, as have the players. If we haven't we won't make it.
I sense we're on the same page Grogg.
 

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Less Carrot

More Stick.
Yes and no. Intrinsic motivation is that which is self-motivated and where the inner, psychological factors, like pride, enjoyment, curiosity, satisfaction in a job well done are the motivating forces. The stuff good sides have heaps of.

Carrots and Sticks are both extrinsic and perhaps we need to see more carrots for some ("IN") and some more sticks for others ("OUT").
 

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