Conspiracy Theory 9/11 - Part 3

What's your opinion regarding the 9/11 attacks?

  • The official story makes the most sense

    Votes: 48 40.7%

  • The attacks were allowed to happen

    Votes: 28 23.7%

  • Inside job by US/shadow Government

    Votes: 42 35.6%
  • Total voters
    118

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BustedWing said:
Where on earth did you get the plane “diagram” dimensions from? It’s miles off.

If it’s YouTube videos you like, here’s one that addresses your issue






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Pretty conclusive. Missiles do not travel at airplane speeds and are not 120-180 feet long.

Combine this with eye witness reports, radar reprts from AA77, aircraft wreckage at the scene, FDR recovered from AA77 plus DNA from victims recovered at the crash site = 0% chance of a missile. Its not what the very few CT believers left but the fact that they cannot address these issues should mean a reasonable person abandons the CT theory.
 
Werewolf said:
Once again we have the major stumbling block for the missile theory - no witnesses have ever reported seeing a missile. Think outside the box a little, if one believes that a pilot couldn't pull off that plane's maneuvers, then why couldn't the plane have been flown by remote control?
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If im putting a missile into the Pentagon and trying to disguise it as a missile attack I certainnly are not doing it at 9 in the morning on a working day when theres potentially 10s of thousands of witnesses. Then you also need AA in on the conspiracy - what happens to the passengers, what happens to the aircraft? You need every ATC / radar operator in on the conspiracy - otherwise they will report a plane on radar. You need to ensure every first responder is in on the theory so they dont report finding missile parts when they arrive on scene. You then need the air force to be in on the conspiracy - they own cruise missiles. Witnesses near air force bases (the attack happened in broad daylight) - they also need to be in on the conspiracy incase they report a cruise missile launch. 911 call centres would need to be in on the conspiracy - any reports of a cruise missile and your cover is blown. So you have to ensure nothing gets reported from 911 calls.

No missile debris. No witnesses to a missile in the entire of DC early on a weekday . No video evidence of a missile. 1000% case closed on this.
 
Procrastinator35 said:
Still trying to deny the self-evident.

Dear Oh Dear.
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I asked you a pretty simple question: where did you get the dimensions from?

A very fair question.
A very important question, because if you’re right, it’s a big tick in the conspiracy box, and if you’re wrong...well...you know what that means.

Your response: to ignore your it completely.

I know why....And it doesn’t speak well for your integrity.

(Psst! It’s because your dimensions are totally made up)


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Zidane98 said:
Youre lack of understanding is evidence of nothing. The Pentagon is a reinforced concrete structure, the wings disintegrated upon impact. What was left of the plane continued into the structure. This must have been debunked thousands of times but yet hear we are nearly 20 years later with some still trying to regurgitate an old argument.

Also I note you still offer no explanation for the hundreds of witnesses to a jet impacting the Pentagon, the human remains with dna found at the crash site matched to 911 passengers and the AA wteckage found at the crash site.

Missile into Pentagon is idiotic and you know it.
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Waiting for the pivot to another conspiracy topic in 3...2....1....


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Zidane98 said:
Yes the Pentagon is reinforced concrete, thats why it absorbed the impact much better than either of the towers did. That fact alone saved many lives in the Pentagon.

Victims were identified by DNA and theres plenty of photos of plane wreckage from initial responsders.

Not to mention the hundreds of witnesses on the ground (it was peak hour in DC), not a single one mentioned a missile. Another thing is the plane clipped a light pole, this wouldnt have occurred with a missile.
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You can see the photos of the victims if you like. It’s freely available if you google it.

I’ve seen it, I don’t recommend it, it’s pretty grisly.

But if you want to...you can.


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Sorry, I just had to do it...
 
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It's interesting that information on the four flights from wiki doesn't include the hijackers in their passenger count.

The four flights were:

American Airlines Flight 11: a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed Logan Airport at 7:59 a.m. en route to Los Angeles with a crew of 11 and 76 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the northern façade of the North Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City at 8:46 a.m.

United Airlines Flight 175: a Boeing 767 aircraft, departed Logan Airport at 8:14 a.m. en route to Los Angeles with a crew of nine and 51 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the southern façade of the South Tower of the World Trade Center in New York City at 9:03 a.m.

American Airlines Flight 77: a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed Washington Dulles International Airport at 8:20 a.m. en route to Los Angeles with a crew of six and 53 passengers, not including five hijackers. The hijackers flew the plane into the western façade of the Pentagon in Arlington County, Virginia, at 9:37 a.m.

United Airlines Flight 93: a Boeing 757 aircraft, departed Newark International Airport at 8:42 a.m. en route to San Francisco, with a crew of seven and 33 passengers, not including four hijackers. As passengers attempted to subdue the hijackers, the aircraft crashed into a field in Stonycreek Township near Shanksville, Pennsylvania, at 10:03 a.m.

Supposed fight paths of the commercial airliners on 9/11.

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There is some interesting information on this thread or 1 and 2 and one very interesting video that's been removed that explains for me what really happened that day.

There is evidence on SPC, a Systems Planning Corporation a private technology, research and analysis based in Arlington Va. Dov Zakhein, Corporate VP of SPC, and also CEO of SPC International Corp, a subsidiary specialising in military and political consulting was sworn in as Under secretary for Defence, Communication controller and Chief Financial Officer at Pentagon in May 2001.

Dov was a senior foreign policy advisor to then Governor Bush. From 1985-87 he was Deputy under sec of Defence for Planning in the Office of Defence (Policy). In that role he played an active role in the departments system acquisition and strategic policy advisor to then Governor Bush.

Flight termination system (FTS) module was a sophisticated weapons technology designed by radar physics group of SPS. This highly sophisticated war game technology allows remote control of several drones from a remote location on varying frequencies and has a range of within 200 miles.

The technology can be used on many different type of aircraft including large passenger jets. According to SPC website Eglan air force base in Florida was a customer and nearby MacDill where Dov Zakhein contracted to send at least 32 767 Boing aircraft as part of the Boeing Tanker agreement where the larger tanker aircraft were to be replaced with the 767 fitted with inflight refueling equipment.

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Above is a close up of the FTS system on the underside of a large aircraft. Note that it has a cylindrical shape and is consistent with the shape observed under the fuselage of UA 175 in many photos showing an aircraft flying into the north tower.

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The equipment attached to the underside of the plane that hit the world trade centre (right) is identical to the equipment attached to the Boeing 767’s (left) that allowed remote aircraft control for up to 200 miles, issued by Dav Zakheim to the USAF. Possible missiles circled on the engines.

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Also flashes can be seen on the aircraft and on the building just before the plane hit which could be a missile.

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These are the accepted flight paths, (not sure about AA 11) and it's very interesting that the flights that supposedly hit the twin towers, UA175 and AA 11, both took off from Boston’s Logan Airport and crossed flight paths at exactly the same time directly over the military Stewart Air Force base.

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Another interesting co-incidence that ties Stewart Airforce base to the attacks are the two white mystery plane that seen over Washington and the Pentagon. The flight path of these 2 planes which have been identified as E4Bs, a military airborne command post. Both took off and landed at Stewart Airforce base.

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I'm suggesting as described in Operation "Norwood" in the 1962 Cuba missile crisis, two Boeing 767 drones took the place of AA 11 and UA 175 when they flew over Stewart and were remotely controlled by an E4B military airborne command post.

It would also explain the very high speed and fingertip control that the planes had when hitting the buildings. I believe they'd also have to have some sort of explosives or missile to penetrate as well.
 
Flight UA 93 turned around directly over Hopkins Airport.

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Flight 77 turned around directly over Tri State airport?
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Again, at these points the the flights were replaced by remotely flown drones. However in both of these cases, I'd suggest they weren't Boeing 767s but some other aircraft with FTS.

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With the war games exercises that were taking place that same morning, have to wonder what Dov Zakheim was doing on 9/11, and because he was also chief financial officer what his connections were to the 2.3 trillion dollars that was announced missing from the Pentagon budget on 10th Sept 2001?
 
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BlueE said:
Flight UA 93 turned around directly over Hopkins Airport.

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Flight 77 turned around directly over Tri State airport?
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Again, at these points the the flights were replaced by remotely flown drones. However in both of these cases, I'd suggest they weren't Boeing 767s but some other aircraft with FTS.

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With the war games exercises that were taking place that same morning, have to wonder what Dov Zakheim was doing on 9/11, and because he was also chief financial officer what his connections were to the 2.3 trillion dollars that was announced missing from the Pentagon budget on 10th Sept 2001?
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The one that supposedly crashed at Shanksville actually landed at Cleveland airport Ohio, due to a 'bomb scare', where all the passengers disembarked before boarding another plane to continue on to L/a....This was ratified by the Cleveland mayor on the day; Whom was clearly not in on the plot & never received the 'memo'.....The head fire-Chief & eye-witness at Shankesville, also corroborated that there was no aeroplane in that ditch, on that day....Bit hard to miss a Jumbo, what.....Think I might have noticed that one.

So Yes......There were no hijackers at all....It was a complete Red Herring, ruse & distraction for the Norad war games simulations on that day, which also served as cover from a military perspective....That's why no fighters were scrambled on the most protected strip of cost-line in the world militarily.

Deception via complexity, as you're also seeing with this Covid19 nonsense.
 
BlueE said:
Flight UA 93 turned around directly over Hopkins Airport.

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Flight 77 turned around directly over Tri State airport?
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Again, at these points the the flights were replaced by remotely flown drones. However in both of these cases, I'd suggest they weren't Boeing 767s but some other aircraft with FTS.

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With the war games exercises that were taking place that same morning, have to wonder what Dov Zakheim was doing on 9/11, and because he was also chief financial officer what his connections were to the 2.3 trillion dollars that was announced missing from the Pentagon budget on 10th Sept 2001?
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So if I have this right, your assertion is...

* Real passenger jets took off as scheduled.
* They were switched with different planes at a certain point.
* The "new" planes were remote controlled into the towers

Some questions...

Why would they switch the planes? Why not just use the real ones? Its not like they were concerned about the loss of human life after all.
How do you explain the pieces of evidence from the "real" planes found in lower Manhattan?
How do you explain the body parts and DNA of passengers from the real planes found in lower Manhattan?
Why would the planes need to be switched over airports? Why there?
Why would the "fact" the planes were remote controlled explain the high speed, and "fingertip" control? What do you mean by fingertip control anyway?
Re the small flash seen at plane impact with the building. Is there any other reason you could think of for this?
Why would there need to be a missile to penetrate the buildings?
 
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BustedWing said:
So if I have this right, your assertion is...

* Real passenger jets took off as scheduled.
* They were switched with different planes at a certain point.
* The "new" planes were remote controlled into the towers

Some questions...

Why would they switch the planes? Why not just use the real ones?
How do you explain the pieces of evidence from the "real" planes found in lower manhattan?
How do you explain the body parts and DNA of passengers from the real planes found in lower manhattan?
Why would the planes need to be switched over airports? Why there?
Why would the "fact" the planes were remote controlled explain the high speed, and "fingertip" control? What do you mean by fingertip control anyway?
Re the small flash seen at plane impact with the building. Is there any other reason you could think of for this?
Why would there need to be a missile to penetrate the buildings?
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These have all been addressed many-times over in this thread by me.....Got something new to add per chance?
 
BustedWing said:
Can you show me where?
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Go back & read, I'm not here to baby-sit you.

Short-summary for you: They switched planes for maximum precision target flying, re-enforced nose-cones for cleaner penetration (Clear military-mock-ups), affixed war-head under the fuselage to clear the passage through into the buildings....as Blue E has also noted....Dov Zackheim's company were in possession of the necessary tech for the automated in-flight systems to pull this off.

The pieces of the so-called 'real-planes' in lower Manhattan did not match-up with the serial numbers of the passenger planes they claimed struck those buildings.

The planes were switched over Stewart airforce base, because that was where the 2 drone military mock-ups were waiting to replace the passenger jets.
 
Procrastinator35 said:
Go back & read, I'm not here to baby-sit you.

Short-summary for you: They switched planes for maximum precision target flying, re-enforced nose-cones for cleaner penetration (Clear military-mock-ups), affixed war-head under the fuselage to clear the passage through into the buildings....as Blue E has also noted....Dov Zackheim's company were in possession of the necessary tech for the automated in-flight systems to pull this off.

The pieces of the so-called 'real-planes' in lower Manhattan did not match-up with the serial numbers of the passenger planes they claimed struck those buildings.

The planes were switched over Stewart airforce base, because that was where the 2 drone military mock-ups were waiting to replace the passenger jets.
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It is not a "Clear military Mock up" that's as stupid as saying the moon is clearly made of cheese. Nothing clear about it whatsoever.
 
I haven't deep dived into 9/11 much at all, (very suss on building 7 though) but my obvious question which has probably been answered somewhere else in this thread is- If the original commercial airliners were swapped for military grade drones what became of the passengers on the original flights? Were they mass murdered? Or were they IN on it.
 
Jason mp said:
I haven't deep dived into 9/11 much at all, (very suss on building 7 though) but my obvious question which has probably been answered somewhere else in this thread is- If the original commercial airliners were swapped for military grade drones what became of the passengers on the original flights? Were they mass murdered? Or were they IN on it.
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Thats just one of the many many holes in this conspiracy theory. In order for this to be true, you need to explain what happened to the real planes, the real people, explain how the passengers personal effects, DNA, body parts etc etc were found in NYC, if they never actually went there.
 
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