Autopsy 9.17 19 point win against Port.

[Ticky009]

 

[TasSixer]

skimmed through the replay this morning, because I couldn't watch yesterday, we looked at lot more settled around the ground, Errol and Mills on field leadership may be the most important part of their returns. Goal kicking was horrid but they acknowledged it so hopefully they work on it.

Did a ladder predictor and it's really hard to see us making the finals. Need a lot to go our way and I was very generous with some wins for us.

 

[The King!]

Maybe a nice lukewarm bath.

It's more also not convinced there's that many good teams

 

[The King!]

Yeah I had that feeling too, till I did the ladder predictor......
Even if we win every game (and that's a BIG if), our % is going to kill our chances. We'd need an awful lot of crazy results to get there.

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Yep we win every game and probably finish 9th if other results go to expected

 

[The King!]

Aliir’s absence helped.

True

 

[Dubai Quacker]

skimmed through the replay this morning, because I couldn't watch yesterday, we looked at more settled around the ground, Errol and Mills on field leadership may be the most important part of their returns. Goal kicking was horrid but they acknowledged it so hopefully they work on it.

Did a ladder predictor and it's really hard to see us making the finals. Need a lot to go our way and I was very generous with some wins for us.

13 wins typically makes finals, I don’t see any reason this year is different.

That means we need to win 7/9 to scrape in.

No way 14 or 15 wins missed the top 8.

The chances of winning 7 out of 9 from here? Slim, but not zero.

 

[Bloods86]

13 wins typically makes finals, I don’t see any reason this year is different.

That means we need to win 7/9 to scrape in.

No way 14 or 15 wins missed the top 8.

The chances of winning 7 out of 9 from here? Slim, but not zero.

In the years since gather round added a game, it's been 12.5 and 13. Suspect 13 is going to be the most common baseline.

7 from 9 is unlikely yeah, but we do go on a run most years recently. This was outlandish to some a few weeks ago, even before the Crows game.

 

[The King!]

13 wins typically makes finals, I don’t see any reason this year is different.

That means we need to win 7/9 to scrape in.

No way 14 or 15 wins missed the top 8.

The chances of winning 7 out of 9 from here? Slim, but not zero.

Do the predictions we need a few to drop games to lower teams even if we win them all

Or we need to smash teams

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

13 wins typically makes finals, I don’t see any reason this year is different.

That means we need to win 7/9 to scrape in.

No way 14 or 15 wins missed the top 8.

The chances of winning 7 out of 9 from here? Slim, but not zero.

Our percentage is really bad so really need to go 9/9 to be sure

Its not gonna happen folks i accepted this after the Essendon loss

 

[Bloods86]

Do the predictions we need a few to drop games to lower teams even if we win them all

Or we need to smash teams

There's a difference between what fans will think happens in individual games in the future, versus what usually gets a team into finals.

Other teams will drop games. We have to drop a couple less.

 

[RilesMacca]

Watched a bit of the last term again:

"Sydney, just holding on"
"Sydney tonight are playing the same level of football that saw them make the GF"
"The game has felt like a Grand Final"

Dwayne Russell ladies and gentleman

 

[The King!]

There's a difference between what fans will think happens in individual games in the future, versus what usually gets a team into finals.

Other teams will drop games. We have to drop a couple less.

Yes of course, there will be odd results, but we would need a lot to go right if we drop any ourselves

 

[MF]

skimmed through the replay this morning, because I couldn't watch yesterday, we looked at more settled around the ground, Errol and Mills on field leadership may be the most important part of their returns. Goal kicking was horrid but they acknowledged it so hopefully they work on it.

Did a ladder predictor and it's really hard to see us making the finals. Need a lot to go our way and I was very generous with some wins for us.

Yeah the minimum wins required this year is going to be pretty tough compared to other seasons I think

 

[wolftone57]

Yes but my point is, unless someone with greater football knowledge than me (ie, practically anyone on here) can point out some fundamental flaw in Amartey’s set shot technique, I have no doubt he was doing everything right, everything he possibly could have done, to make those shots go through the big sticks.

Effort, determination, technique were all there, but to no avail.

In which case, sure, it’s “bad” football in that no-one except Port players and supporters are going to get any joy from it, but is that really saying anything profound?

Yet “bad kicking is bad football” is said in footy circles like it’s some sort of Zen aphorism.

No he wasn't doing everything right otherwise he wouldn't have missed. They pointed out at one stage that he walked in to take a shot walking to the point and goal posts and that's where the ball went. His ball drop was right off. Sometimes you can control and adjust as you kick if you notice it is off as you drop. But he was not able to adjust and one of the full on misses didn't even make the goal line, it ended in a contest in the pocket. No length, no direction says to me ball drop. He is normally so strict on his ball drop. He has a routine and sticks to it. But yesterday he was not doing that at all. He was doubting himself.

 

[The King!]

His first few from memory without checking went straight (ish) probably mis aimed , then he started over correcting his angles

 

[Kiama Chris]

Grundy, Isaac and Gus were all great in the mids. Rowie too but tackles don't get you a B&F vote. McCartin gave Georgiadis a bath, 7 disposals 1.3. Roberts was great when he was playing the mid role. Good on a wing but not great. Mills was super Ted. I loved his game he was directing traffic all around the ground. A special mention to Wil, stood up when most didn't. Only player not to kick a point. I also would like to say that Aaron Francis put his body on the line, nearly took mark of the year and was not paid, and brought the ball to ground, again and again. Those acts will not get much credit.

Run Down of players;

Amartey; Had a great game except he could,t find the middle of the two big white ones. Now Joel, you have to kick the ball in between the two big white ones. Not the little white one and the big white one. Try again

Bice; Good option as sub. I thought one of the comeback kids would be subbed out. But they went for Francis instead. Probably a mistake as it turns out. Port got a run on in the last and Gulden and Papley were cooked. Bice was good.

Blakey; Was very good. His running set up so many forward entries. But he got lost in the defensive mire quite a few times too. This is not his fault it is the coaches fault for not playing him up the ground.

Campbell; A really good game. Some of his defensoive efforts were so strong and rugged. His tackling pressure and run down pressure were super. He was very good at anticipating whre the Port players would run.

Cunningham; Harry was, well, Harry. He was high Pressure Harry. Good luck getting out of his grasp if he gets hold of you

Francis; May not have had too many disposals but he did the hard things well. He competed and brought the ball to ground.

Grundy; Was superb. I can't believe he ran away from Butters. Pushed off him and ran away. WOW. He did the hard things, the easy things all well. His rucking was super and he flogged their two rucks, he then became an extra mid. People tend to forget, when he was AA he was the most mobile ruck in the AFL.

Gulden; A good return. He disposal was the thing. He went missing in the second, 2 disposals. But came back again in the third. He hit up so meany leads, at one stage he didn't have a handball.

Hayward; Due to his accuracy, he was the forward of the night. He was super competitive too.

Heeney; What can I say. An absolute champion. Best player in the AFL. Don't give a a @@@@ about Daicos. Daicos does not take hangers or mark the ball like this guy. He is the most complete footballer in the AFL.

Jordan; Did some good things and kept their mids quiet until the last quarter. Ran out of puff I think. Certainly cleaned up in the clinches.

McCartin; Tommy was good. Super good. His marking and spoiling were super. He kept Georgiadis to 1.3 and negated their forwards with the other known outlaws who stole ball again and again. Harry, Melly, Wicksie, Ramps, Mills & Blakey. They work so well together and this guy is the pin that keeps the threads together.

Mellican; Another fine game from this guy. He just gets the job done, no fuss, no ado. Goes about his business efficiently. He was on the resting rucks and burned them.

Mills; What A SUPER GAME! He is well and truly the leader the club says he is. Heens keeps talking about his ability to see the game and identify the problems or options. He did exactly that. He led by example and directed the game. He pointed out options when players were taking too long. He quickly identified space and turned that into a marking opportunity fir his forwards and mids. A truly top captain's game

Papley; A good return. Gave us all a fright when he got that corkie. But could have kicked better vfor goal, same as Joel just not as much opportunity. Goal kicking practice for these forwards I think.

Rampe; Getting to the end I think. Defended well. But his disposal is like LLoyd's, wait forever and then bomb long. It's as though he doesn't have the confidence to pass the ball. He waits an eternity to kick it. If I was an umpire I would have been saying play on several times when he had the ball. A much loved character and bloke but time waits for no man and it is catching up with Sir Dane.

Roberts; Was really good. I liked his role better than at HB. The wing and Mids suits him better. He used his brawn to muscle opponents out of the play then handballed or kicked to advantage. Liked his game.

Rowbottom; Had another ho hum game. He has had less than 20 disposals or less in the last 6 games. Port 14, Tigers 15, Crows 20, Dees 12, Baggers 19, Bombers 21, GWS 14, Suns 20, Port 23, Pies 22, North 20, Dockers 22, Lions 11, Hawks 16. These figures show a mixed season. He is still a tackling machine but sometimes his output is not good enough for a mid. I love this bloke but he has two flaws he has to fix. The random kick in haste our of a pack or in the backs. The panic kick. Or the kick from a stoppage with no plan. Just kick the @@@@ out of the thing in hope a forward might just get onto it. The second is in most matches this year he has not gotten enough disposals to warrant him being in the mids. This is worrying as he is a heart and soul player. I want him to succeed. But look at what Gus has been able to do recently and he is going past Rowie at a rate of knots. I think he might be carrying some bruises. Maybe time to give him a rest and let him recover.

Sheldrick; Boy was he good in the clinches. He doesn't get 30 disposals but he does extract so others can get 30. He gets the ball out no matter what, no manner where. Tap ons, shove it out, handball, kick, knock ons. He might be small but he is a brute in there. A good game.

Warner; Not one of his best but had Willem Drew up his kyber most of the night. Drew has done the job on nearly every top mid this season. Still managed to get 17, the average on Drew is 13.

Wicks; Took on Rioli and did it well. Rioli kicked 1.1 with 7 disposals, most of which he got up the ground. Great negating game from Wicksy.

Great summary except Hayward's first set shot missed. JJ still contained Butters in the last, it was others who got off the chain a bit.

 

[ErrolisGoldun]

Without being too pre emptive are we seeing a consistent brand of footy under Cox? The last 2 games have been consistent - strong pressure, forward press, focus on contested ball.
Last year we were awesome for most games, but generally relied on a brilliant1 or 2 quarters, rarely played 4. If this is the new game style I believe it would hold us in better stead and in theory there is no reason we won’t be a stronger version of 2024. Our defence looks amazing right now but let’s see how we fare against the dogs

Spot on the team defence last 2 games has been outstanding. Makes a difference with all our best players back.

Mills has been a huge influence which is what you want from your skipper.

Cox footy seems to be like a squirrel grip like defence!

 

[Bloods86]

Spot on the team defence last 2 games has been outstanding. Makes a difference with all our best players back.

Mills has been a huge influence which is what you want from your skipper.

Cox footy seems to be like a squirrel grip like defence!

The pressure and perceived pressure (based on what happened around the ground) on entries helps.

Our defence is usually never as bad as it seems sometimes, we've just had the team absconding responsibility to the back 6/7.

 

[ErrolisGoldun]

Great win against a complete bogey team in Port.

Last 2 games we have seen what Cox is aiming to do, which is completely shut down the other team and make it bloody hard to score. Restricting their ball movement. Pressure was elite which coincides with our best footy.

Mills has been so important to making that work, he is so clean with the ball and always makes the right call. So underrated defensively too.

Great to get games under the belt for Errol and Paps, who contributed but will take a few weeks to get some form going.

I thought that was Grundys best game for us, so dominant, literally run amok, was everywhere and Heeney is now just providing sustained excellence week on week.

Amartey makes a difference on how we play and straightens is up with intelligent leading and giving an option. Just needs to sort out the yips.

We are almost back and can’t wait to see how we go vs Bravedogs, confident we can get a result and continue the upswing in form.

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

It's more also not convinced there's that many good teams

Same here. Only Collingwood truly looks a cut above, and I still refuse to believe they haven't got an Achille's heel.

 

[The King!]

Same here. Only Collingwood truly looks a cut above, and I still refuse to believe they haven't got an Achille's heel.

Sometimes if things are made too easy for you then you get cocky and fail...

 

[The Blue Max]

No he wasn't doing everything right otherwise he wouldn't have missed. They pointed out at one stage that he walked in to take a shot walking to the point and goal posts and that's where the ball went. His ball drop was right off. Sometimes you can control and adjust as you kick if you notice it is off as you drop. But he was not able to adjust and one of the full on misses didn't even make the goal line, it ended in a contest in the pocket. No length, no direction says to me ball drop. He is normally so strict on his ball drop. He has a routine and sticks to it. But yesterday he was not doing that at all. He was doubting himself.

Agree - clear case of the yips.

Inconsistent each time, hesitant, almost choked on the last couple.

 

[bedford]

Did Hanily travel ?

 

[RedBloodBlackSwan]

Grundy, Isaac and Gus were all great in the mids. Rowie too but tackles don't get you a B&F vote. McCartin gave Georgiadis a bath, 7 disposals 1.3. Roberts was great when he was playing the mid role. Good on a wing but not great. Mills was super Ted. I loved his game he was directing traffic all around the ground. A special mention to Wil, stood up when most didn't. Only player not to kick a point. I also would like to say that Aaron Francis put his body on the line, nearly took mark of the year and was not paid, and brought the ball to ground, again and again. Those acts will not get much credit.

Run Down of players;

Amartey; Had a great game except he could,t find the middle of the two big white ones. Now Joel, you have to kick the ball in between the two big white ones. Not the little white one and the big white one. Try again

Bice; Good option as sub. I thought one of the comeback kids would be subbed out. But they went for Francis instead. Probably a mistake as it turns out. Port got a run on in the last and Gulden and Papley were cooked. Bice was good.

Blakey; Was very good. His running set up so many forward entries. But he got lost in the defensive mire quite a few times too. This is not his fault it is the coaches fault for not playing him up the ground.

Campbell; A really good game. Some of his defensoive efforts were so strong and rugged. His tackling pressure and run down pressure were super. He was very good at anticipating whre the Port players would run.

Cunningham; Harry was, well, Harry. He was high Pressure Harry. Good luck getting out of his grasp if he gets hold of you

Francis; May not have had too many disposals but he did the hard things well. He competed and brought the ball to ground.

Grundy; Was superb. I can't believe he ran away from Butters. Pushed off him and ran away. WOW. He did the hard things, the easy things all well. His rucking was super and he flogged their two rucks, he then became an extra mid. People tend to forget, when he was AA he was the most mobile ruck in the AFL.

Gulden; A good return. He disposal was the thing. He went missing in the second, 2 disposals. But came back again in the third. He hit up so meany leads, at one stage he didn't have a handball.

Hayward; Due to his accuracy, he was the forward of the night. He was super competitive too.

Heeney; What can I say. An absolute champion. Best player in the AFL. Don't give a a @@@@ about Daicos. Daicos does not take hangers or mark the ball like this guy. He is the most complete footballer in the AFL.

Jordan; Did some good things and kept their mids quiet until the last quarter. Ran out of puff I think. Certainly cleaned up in the clinches.

McCartin; Tommy was good. Super good. His marking and spoiling were super. He kept Georgiadis to 1.3 and negated their forwards with the other known outlaws who stole ball again and again. Harry, Melly, Wicksie, Ramps, Mills & Blakey. They work so well together and this guy is the pin that keeps the threads together.

Mellican; Another fine game from this guy. He just gets the job done, no fuss, no ado. Goes about his business efficiently. He was on the resting rucks and burned them.

Mills; What A SUPER GAME! He is well and truly the leader the club says he is. Heens keeps talking about his ability to see the game and identify the problems or options. He did exactly that. He led by example and directed the game. He pointed out options when players were taking too long. He quickly identified space and turned that into a marking opportunity fir his forwards and mids. A truly top captain's game

Papley; A good return. Gave us all a fright when he got that corkie. But could have kicked better vfor goal, same as Joel just not as much opportunity. Goal kicking practice for these forwards I think.

Rampe; Getting to the end I think. Defended well. But his disposal is like LLoyd's, wait forever and then bomb long. It's as though he doesn't have the confidence to pass the ball. He waits an eternity to kick it. If I was an umpire I would have been saying play on several times when he had the ball. A much loved character and bloke but time waits for no man and it is catching up with Sir Dane.

Roberts; Was really good. I liked his role better than at HB. The wing and Mids suits him better. He used his brawn to muscle opponents out of the play then handballed or kicked to advantage. Liked his game.

Rowbottom; Had another ho hum game. He has had less than 20 disposals or less in the last 6 games. Port 14, Tigers 15, Crows 20, Dees 12, Baggers 19, Bombers 21, GWS 14, Suns 20, Port 23, Pies 22, North 20, Dockers 22, Lions 11, Hawks 16. These figures show a mixed season. He is still a tackling machine but sometimes his output is not good enough for a mid. I love this bloke but he has two flaws he has to fix. The random kick in haste our of a pack or in the backs. The panic kick. Or the kick from a stoppage with no plan. Just kick the @@@@ out of the thing in hope a forward might just get onto it. The second is in most matches this year he has not gotten enough disposals to warrant him being in the mids. This is worrying as he is a heart and soul player. I want him to succeed. But look at what Gus has been able to do recently and he is going past Rowie at a rate of knots. I think he might be carrying some bruises. Maybe time to give him a rest and let him recover.

Sheldrick; Boy was he good in the clinches. He doesn't get 30 disposals but he does extract so others can get 30. He gets the ball out no matter what, no manner where. Tap ons, shove it out, handball, kick, knock ons. He might be small but he is a brute in there. A good game.

Warner; Not one of his best but had Willem Drew up his kyber most of the night. Drew has done the job on nearly every top mid this season. Still managed to get 17, the average on Drew is 13.

Wicks; Took on Rioli and did it well. Rioli kicked 1.1 with 7 disposals, most of which he got up the ground. Great negating game from Wicksy.

Excellent write up. Loved the stats. Thanks!

I actually liked that Chad didn’t dominate and we still did well. We can’t complain that we rely on our stars too much, and then also complain when our stars don’t shine so bright.

 

[Jewelsbon]

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Yep we win every game and probably finish 9th if other results go to expected

Yep, but I guess that's the thing isn't it, unexpected things happen all the time in footy.

 

[caesar88]

Is bad kicking bad football?

We hear it said all the time, but what is it actually saying, other than the bleeding obvious?

Joel Amartey most assuredly wasn’t trying to miss the goals.

And what is “bad football” anyway? Seems a term so broad as to be pretty useless in a functional way.

The way I see it, yes it is.

We kicked 9.17 yesterday when aiming for our target. If the mids & wingmen missed their targets inside 50 by about a metre or two 17 times, we aren't putting much of a score on at all.

It's odd that the kick for goal is seen as separate from every other kick in a chain that players would otherwise get their heads chewed off for stuffing up.