Player Watch #9 - Charlie Spargo - Big Things Come in Small Packages

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schmuttt

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No one's blowing their loads lmao, if anything everyone is too blinded by dislike for him to see that he wasn't even that good on Sunday, he just played in the style of how he played most weeks in 2018 and everyone's forgotten how useful his performance in his role was, especially in our crunch games towards the end of the season. The reason we finally beat four top 8 sides in a row and started winning at the MCG isn't just because the midfield was flying, it's because we started connecting around half forward and players like Spargo are the reason that happened. Everyone's so obsessed with the boom and bust cycle in footy to see that you also just need players to do a job where their best is to make everyone else look better than them, and they're never going to be a star because they don't need to be.
ok mate thanks for charlies life story
 

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schmuttt

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I realise that anything approaching actual analysis is beyond you but I don't think a two year career history is a life story
I just don't think he is best 22 and he still doesn't have the weapons to be a long term player at AFL level. Like all our players that I'm not a fan of I hope they prove me wrong, but doubt it'll happen.
 

A11dAtP0w3R

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I swear G2B works for the club or is a legitimate stalker. He provides "inside" analysis for every player on our list.

I tend not to read massive blocks of words with no paragraphs, but I'm sure it was excellent.
 

Gysberts2Bate

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Internally he’s rated as one of the best 2 way runners and work rate.

He’s got a lot of campaigner about him too which they love.

He’s a great trainer.

I would hope he’s not in the 22 for a GF but could be an emg for sure.
Let’s be real. He looked good on the weekend because it was a relatively open game where we generated a huge amount of turnover through the midfield and half back owing to the opposition being hopeless. The reason we didn’t win by 120 points is because most of our team kept constantly fluffing their disposals or fumbling the ball. The reason we did kick at least a few of our goals is because like you said he’s a smart two way runner and gets to the right positions when there’s a lot of space in front of the ball because the opposition has been caught on the rebound, and he’s cleaner than most of his teammates by hand and foot without being a ‘penetrating kick’ so he created scores.

That’s what he’s in the side for. It’s what he was doing most weeks in 2018 when we were smashing teams, bad and decent (and four good ones in a row at the end of the year) in the same way Through the centre of the ground. That R23 game against GWS is one of my favourite Dees games to watch because the midfield dominated a GWS midfield which made a grand final a year later and broke lines and the half forwards had a day out, especially Spargo, which is why we turned the contest in the second half.

that high half forward in congestion position is arguably the hardest role to play in modern footy because no one trains for it at junior level where connection between the midfield and forward line is as simple as Just bombing it long or hitting uncontested chains. So it’s always junior midfielders who’ve never played forward but aren’t good enough to play on ball for their AFL club like Spargo who have to do it because the club reckons they have the skills to do it. Richmond found six of these players and won two flags. Spargo is never going to be seen as elite while doing it because he doesn’t have those star attributes, but someone like Dan Butler will tear games apart because he’s incredibly quick. Wingard is arguably another example. So Spargo isn’t even the best option that we have for it - like you said he’d ideally not be in our best 22. But players like Bennell and vandenBerg who have a higher ceiling in that role don’t run well two ways and so don’t get near the footy when they’re out of form, and ANB brings more pressure than Spargo but has no ball sense at all.

still, he’s definitely in our best 26 or so players because his role is so important to our game plan because our mids other than Petracca don’t impact the scoreboard. He’s behind Hannan for sure who’s a better kick, mark and tackle but they can play in the same side when others aren’t lifting, and it’s ridiculous that anyone would think the club is going to delist him because they know that type of player doesn’t grow on trees so even if he’s not in the 22 they’ll keep him around for the value of his skill set in a position that relies so much on form and he’s so consistent even if he’s far from a star and doesn’t do much when the midfield is useless.

There you go A11dAtP0w3R, added some paragraphs for you.
 

schmuttt

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Let’s be real. He looked good on the weekend because it was a relatively open game where we generated a huge amount of turnover through the midfield and half back owing to the opposition being hopeless. The reason we didn’t win by 120 points is because most of our team kept constantly fluffing their disposals or fumbling the ball. The reason we did kick at least a few of our goals is because like you said he’s a smart two way runner and gets to the right positions when there’s a lot of space in front of the ball because the opposition has been caught on the rebound, and he’s cleaner than most of his teammates by hand and foot without being a ‘penetrating kick’ so he created scores.

That’s what he’s in the side for. It’s what he was doing most weeks in 2018 when we were smashing teams, bad and decent (and four good ones in a row at the end of the year) in the same way Through the centre of the ground. That R23 game against GWS is one of my favourite Dees games to watch because the midfield dominated a GWS midfield which made a grand final a year later and broke lines and the half forwards had a day out, especially Spargo, which is why we turned the contest in the second half.

that high half forward in congestion position is arguably the hardest role to play in modern footy because no one trains for it at junior level where connection between the midfield and forward line is as simple as Just bombing it long or hitting uncontested chains. So it’s always junior midfielders who’ve never played forward but aren’t good enough to play on ball for their AFL club like Spargo who have to do it because the club reckons they have the skills to do it. Richmond found six of these players and won two flags. Spargo is never going to be seen as elite while doing it because he doesn’t have those star attributes, but someone like Dan Butler will tear games apart because he’s incredibly quick. Wingard is arguably another example. So Spargo isn’t even the best option that we have for it - like you said he’d ideally not be in our best 22. But players like Bennell and vandenBerg who have a higher ceiling in that role don’t run well two ways and so don’t get near the footy when they’re out of form, and ANB brings more pressure than Spargo but has no ball sense at all.

still, he’s definitely in our best 26 or so players because his role is so important to our game plan because our mids other than Petracca don’t impact the scoreboard. He’s behind Hannan for sure who’s a better kick, mark and tackle but they can play in the same side when others aren’t lifting, and it’s ridiculous that anyone would think the club is going to delist him because they know that type of player doesn’t grow on trees so even if he’s not in the 22 they’ll keep him around for the value of his skill set in a position that relies so much on form and he’s so consistent even if he’s far from a star and doesn’t do much when the midfield is useless.

There you go A11dAtP0w3R, added some paragraphs for you.
Actually think this is a good post, I'm not advocating we delist him FYI (I'd have a few others before him) I'm just saying I don't see him as a long term player.
 

Gysberts2Bate

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Actually think this is a good post, I'm not advocating we delist him FYI (I'd have a few others before him) I'm just saying I don't see him as a long term player.
He’d have to get stronger and thus a bit quicker and have a longer kick to be a long term player. What stood out on Sunday was that he was more aggressive in his attack on the ball when he was behind the footy which was one of his major failings last year I reckon when he had to win his own possessions. If he keeps adding strings to his bow like that or he miraculously becomes a gun in another position like Caleb Daniel (who is way stronger and has a longer kick despite being smaller) he might break into the 22 more consistently but that could be 5-6 years away. I’d still keep him around though, because like I said he’s the kind of ‘decent role player’ that still doesn’t grow on trees and he does a very good job when needed like on Sunday
 

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Let’s be real. He looked good on the weekend because it was a relatively open game where we generated a huge amount of turnover through the midfield and half back owing to the opposition being hopeless. The reason we didn’t win by 120 points is because most of our team kept constantly fluffing their disposals or fumbling the ball. The reason we did kick at least a few of our goals is because like you said he’s a smart two way runner and gets to the right positions when there’s a lot of space in front of the ball because the opposition has been caught on the rebound, and he’s cleaner than most of his teammates by hand and foot without being a ‘penetrating kick’ so he created scores.

That’s what he’s in the side for. It’s what he was doing most weeks in 2018 when we were smashing teams, bad and decent (and four good ones in a row at the end of the year) in the same way Through the centre of the ground. That R23 game against GWS is one of my favourite Dees games to watch because the midfield dominated a GWS midfield which made a grand final a year later and broke lines and the half forwards had a day out, especially Spargo, which is why we turned the contest in the second half.

that high half forward in congestion position is arguably the hardest role to play in modern footy because no one trains for it at junior level where connection between the midfield and forward line is as simple as Just bombing it long or hitting uncontested chains. So it’s always junior midfielders who’ve never played forward but aren’t good enough to play on ball for their AFL club like Spargo who have to do it because the club reckons they have the skills to do it. Richmond found six of these players and won two flags. Spargo is never going to be seen as elite while doing it because he doesn’t have those star attributes, but someone like Dan Butler will tear games apart because he’s incredibly quick. Wingard is arguably another example. So Spargo isn’t even the best option that we have for it - like you said he’d ideally not be in our best 22. But players like Bennell and vandenBerg who have a higher ceiling in that role don’t run well two ways and so don’t get near the footy when they’re out of form, and ANB brings more pressure than Spargo but has no ball sense at all.

still, he’s definitely in our best 26 or so players because his role is so important to our game plan because our mids other than Petracca don’t impact the scoreboard. He’s behind Hannan for sure who’s a better kick, mark and tackle but they can play in the same side when others aren’t lifting, and it’s ridiculous that anyone would think the club is going to delist him because they know that type of player doesn’t grow on trees so even if he’s not in the 22 they’ll keep him around for the value of his skill set in a position that relies so much on form and he’s so consistent even if he’s far from a star and doesn’t do much when the midfield is useless.

There you go A11dAtP0w3R, added some paragraphs for you.
Love when things get real
 

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mrmonkey

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Good to see him work back into the side and find some form. He also a very team orientated player. Made a few mistakes but who doesn't. No coincident that we've been playing well as a group that we're starting to get improvement from individuals.
 

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He looks stronger in his legs and core. It’s turning him into a powerful little player with a bit of a burst. Combine that with the exquisite skills he already possesses, and he could really be a player.


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Bumping this of mine and returning it to being updated.


UPDATE:

16 wins.
12 losses.
0 draws.
  1. 108 - 72. (108 - 72.) (108 - 72.) (150%) (A.) (+ 36.) (+ 36.) (ESS.)
  2. 106 - 67. (214 - 139.) (107.5 - 64.5.) (153.96%) (A.) (+ 39.) (+ 75.) (STK.)
  3. 146 - 77. (360 - 216.) (120 - 72.) (166.67%) (A.) (+ 69.) (+ 144.) (GC.)
  4. 159 - 50. (519 - 266.) (129.75 - 66.5.) (195.11%) (A.) (+ 109.) (+ 253.) (CARL.)
  5. 146 - 55. (665 - 321.) (133 - 64.2.) (207.16%) (H.) (+ 91.) (+ 344.) (ADEL.)
  6. 100 - 51. (765 - 372.) (127.5 - 62.) (205.65%) (H.) (+ 49.) (+ 393.) (FOOT.)
  7. 91 - 133. (856 - 505.) (122.29 - 72.14.) (169.50%) (H.) (- 42.) (- 42.) (COLL.)
  8. 102 - 48. (958 - 553.) (119.75 - 69.13.) (173.24%) (H.) (+ 54.) (+ 447.) (FREM.)
  9. 119 - 69. (1077 - 622.) (119.66 - 69.11.) (173.14%) (H.) (+ 60.) (+ 507.) (FOOT.)
  10. 98 - 100. (1175 - 722.) (117.5 - 72.2) (162.74%.) (A.) (- 2.) (- 44.) (GEEL.)
  11. 90 - 77. (1265 - 799.) (115 - 72.63.) (158.34%.) (A.) (+ 13.) (+ 520.) (ADEL.)
  12. 143 - 47. (1408 - 846.) (117.33 - 70.5.) (166.42%.) (H.) (+ 96.) (+ 616.) (GC.) (Charlie's 10th career VFL/AFL win.)
  13. 78 - 87. (1486 - 933.) (114.3 - 71.77.) (159.26%.) (H.) (- 9.) (- 53.) (SYD.)
  14. 108 - 91. (1594 - 1024.) (113.86 - 73.14.) (155.67%.) (A.) (+ 17.) (+ 633.) (WCE.) (The money shot and finals clincher.)
  15. 102 - 57. (1696 - 1081.) (113.06 - 72.06.) (156.89%.) (H.) (+ 45.) (+ 678.) (GWS.) (to 5th and home game vs Geelong.)
  16. 75 - 46. (1771 - 1127.) (110.69 - 70.44.) (157.14%.) (H.) (+ 29.) (+ 707.) (GEEL.) (His finals debut and 1st finals win.)
  17. 104 - 71. (1875 - 1198.) (110.29 - 70.47.) (156.51%.) (A.) (+ 33.) (+ 740.) (HAW.) (Hawks out in straight sets.)
  18. 55 - 121. (1930 - 1319.) (107.22 - 73.28.) (146.32%.) (A.) (- 66.) (- 119.) (WCE.)
  19. 61 - 87. (1991 - 1406.) (104.79 - 74.) (141.61%.) (H.) (- 26.) (- 145.) (PA.)
  20. 100 - 78. (2091 - 1484.) (104.55 - 74.2.) (140.9&%.) (A.) (+ 22.) (+ 762.) (SYD.)
  21. 55 - 95. (2146 - 1579.) (102.19 - 75.19.) (135.9&%.) (H.) (- 40.) (- 159.) (STK.)
  22. 68 - 94. (2214 - 1673.) (100.63 - 76.04.) (132.33%.) (H.) (- 26.) (- 185.) (GWS.)
  23. 88 - 90. (2302 - 1763.) (100.08 - 76.65.) (130.57%.) (H.) (- 2.) (- 187.) (ADEL.)
  24. 57 - 98. (2359 - 1861.) (98.29 - 77.54.) (126.76%.) (A.) (- 41.) (- 228.) (COLL.) (Now 0-2 on Queen's Birthday game.)
  25. 42 - 95. (2401 - 1956.) (96.04 - 78.24.) (122.75%.) (H.) (- 53.) (- 281.) (SYD.)
  26. 83 - 88. (2484 - 2044.) (95.53 - 78.61.) (121.52%.) (A.) (- 5.) (- 286.) (KANG.)
  27. 51 - 78. (2535 - 2122.) (93.89 - 78.59.) (119.46%.) (A.) (- 27.) (- 313.) (WCE.)
  28. 92 - 35. (2627 - 2157.) (93.82 - 77.03.) (121.79%.) (H.) (+ 57.) (+ 819.) (KANG.)

    Losses are now italicised and bolded.

7 of his 28 games have been in excess of 50 point wins.

Highest score: 159.
Lowest score: 42.

Highest score conceded: 133.
Lowest score conceded: 32.

Margins.

Winning:

Highest (+ 109.)
Lowest (+ 13.)

Losing:

Highest (- 66.)
Lowest (- 2.)

Average winning margin = 51.19 points.
Average losing margin = 26.08 points.
Average score of games he's played in = 84.97.

His pick number in the 2017 AFL Draft = 29.

His claim to fame, the first ever direct 4th generation player in VFL/AFL history.
UPDATE:

17 wins.
12 losses.
0 draws.
  1. 108 - 72. (108 - 72.) (108 - 72.) (150%) (A.) (+ 36.) (+ 36.) (ESS.)
  2. 106 - 67. (214 - 139.) (107.5 - 64.5.) (153.96%) (A.) (+ 39.) (+ 75.) (STK.)
  3. 146 - 77. (360 - 216.) (120 - 72.) (166.67%) (A.) (+ 69.) (+ 144.) (GC.)
  4. 159 - 50. (519 - 266.) (129.75 - 66.5.) (195.11%) (A.) (+ 109.) (+ 253.) (CARL.)
  5. 146 - 55. (665 - 321.) (133 - 64.2.) (207.16%) (H.) (+ 91.) (+ 344.) (ADEL.)
  6. 100 - 51. (765 - 372.) (127.5 - 62.) (205.65%) (H.) (+ 49.) (+ 393.) (FOOT.)
  7. 91 - 133. (856 - 505.) (122.29 - 72.14.) (169.50%) (H.) (- 42.) (- 42.) (COLL.)
  8. 102 - 48. (958 - 553.) (119.75 - 69.13.) (173.24%) (H.) (+ 54.) (+ 447.) (FREM.)
  9. 119 - 69. (1077 - 622.) (119.66 - 69.11.) (173.14%) (H.) (+ 60.) (+ 507.) (FOOT.)
  10. 98 - 100. (1175 - 722.) (117.5 - 72.2) (162.74%.) (A.) (- 2.) (- 44.) (GEEL.)
  11. 90 - 77. (1265 - 799.) (115 - 72.63.) (158.34%.) (A.) (+ 13.) (+ 520.) (ADEL.)
  12. 143 - 47. (1408 - 846.) (117.33 - 70.5.) (166.42%.) (H.) (+ 96.) (+ 616.) (GC.) (Charlie's 10th career VFL/AFL win.)
  13. 78 - 87. (1486 - 933.) (114.3 - 71.77.) (159.26%.) (H.) (- 9.) (- 53.) (SYD.)
  14. 108 - 91. (1594 - 1024.) (113.86 - 73.14.) (155.67%.) (A.) (+ 17.) (+ 633.) (WCE.) (The money shot and finals clincher.)
  15. 102 - 57. (1696 - 1081.) (113.06 - 72.06.) (156.89%.) (H.) (+ 45.) (+ 678.) (GWS.) (to 5th and home game vs Geelong.)
  16. 75 - 46. (1771 - 1127.) (110.69 - 70.44.) (157.14%.) (H.) (+ 29.) (+ 707.) (GEEL.) (His finals debut and 1st finals win.)
  17. 104 - 71. (1875 - 1198.) (110.29 - 70.47.) (156.51%.) (A.) (+ 33.) (+ 740.) (HAW.) (Hawks out in straight sets.)
  18. 55 - 121. (1930 - 1319.) (107.22 - 73.28.) (146.32%.) (A.) (- 66.) (- 119.) (WCE.)
  19. 61 - 87. (1991 - 1406.) (104.79 - 74.) (141.61%.) (H.) (- 26.) (- 145.) (PA.)
  20. 100 - 78. (2091 - 1484.) (104.55 - 74.2.) (140.9&%.) (A.) (+ 22.) (+ 762.) (SYD.)
  21. 55 - 95. (2146 - 1579.) (102.19 - 75.19.) (135.9&%.) (H.) (- 40.) (- 159.) (STK.)
  22. 68 - 94. (2214 - 1673.) (100.63 - 76.04.) (132.33%.) (H.) (- 26.) (- 185.) (GWS.)
  23. 88 - 90. (2302 - 1763.) (100.08 - 76.65.) (130.57%.) (H.) (- 2.) (- 187.) (ADEL.)
  24. 57 - 98. (2359 - 1861.) (98.29 - 77.54.) (126.76%.) (A.) (- 41.) (- 228.) (COLL.) (Now 0-2 on Queen's Birthday game.)
  25. 42 - 95. (2401 - 1956.) (96.04 - 78.24.) (122.75%.) (H.) (- 53.) (- 281.) (SYD.)
  26. 83 - 88. (2484 - 2044.) (95.53 - 78.61.) (121.52%.) (A.) (- 5.) (- 286.) (KANG.)
  27. 51 - 78. (2535 - 2122.) (93.89 - 78.59.) (119.46%.) (A.) (- 27.) (- 313.) (WCE.)
  28. 92 - 35. (2627 - 2157.) (93.82 - 77.03.) (121.79%.) (H.) (+ 57.) (+ 819.) (KANG.)
  29. 100 - 44. (2727 - 2201.) 94.03 - 75.9.) (123.9%.) (H.) (+ 46.) (+ 875.) (COLL.)

    Losses are now italicised and bolded.

7 of his 28 games have been in excess of 50 point wins.

Highest score: 159.
Lowest score: 42.

Highest score conceded: 133.
Lowest score conceded: 32.

Margins.

Winning:

Highest (+ 109.)
Lowest (+ 13.)

Losing:

Highest (- 66.)
Lowest (- 2.)

Average winning margin = 51.47 points.
Average losing margin = 26.08 points.
Average score of games he's played in = 84.97.

His pick number in the 2017 AFL Draft = 29.

His claim to fame, the first ever direct 4th generation player in VFL/AFL history.

From his 30th game and onwards, it'll be a changed update.
 

Deelighted

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Is sparggie becoming one of our more important players? I feel a lot better when he has the ball in his hands and love when he goes in hard.
Like what he's done in the first couple of rounds though, good intensity applying pressure and an intelligent ball use. Still can probably name 10+ who are more important for us.
 

Dory_77

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Like what he's done in the first couple of rounds though, good intensity applying pressure and an intelligent ball use. Still can probably name 10+ who are more important for us.
Yeah overall Gawn/Trac/May etc would be more important. However Spargo has been great with his delivery inside 50 and choosing good options. When he delivers the ball in we usually get a shot from a decent spot (based on 0 stats, but that's what I feel anyway).
 

Meds

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Our second best (behind ANB) for pressure acts against the Saints - feels like we're finally getting a few scores from that style of play which is great.

Laurie and Bowey are both meant to be high IQ and good disposal players. These three with Pickett around Weid, Brown, Jackson sounds decent if it all comes together
 

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