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Senior 9. Patrick Cripps

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People need to understand that Cripps has had a great deal of success by monstering other under 18s. Next year he's going to be up against men and his strength which is his size, strength and power wont be a great advantage for him against men for some time. Don't expect him to be an immediate AFL star but rather an eventual star. In time when his running has improved and he has a mature hardened body he will be monstering other AFL players and doing what he has done in the U18s at AFL level but that will not be for some time. It will be an excellent effort if he plays AFL next year, but I expect next year to be more about improving his running and fitness, learning the game/game style, learning to play forward and getting used to playing against men and getting a feel for higher tempo footy.

If any of our draftees is going to haven an impact next season it will be Giles. He's a bit like a young Jarrad Waite, but not playing in a shithouse team. Quite capable of slotting into a pocket or flank at either end or playing as a defensive wingman.
 
gbatman said:
People need to understand that Cripps has had a great deal of success by monstering other under 18s. Next year he's going to be up against men and his strength which is his size, strength and power wont be a great advantage for him against men for some time. Don't expect him to be an immediate AFL star but rather an eventual star. In time when his running has improved and he has a mature hardened body he will be monstering other AFL players and doing what he has done in the U18s at AFL level but that will not be for some time. It will be an excellent effort if he plays AFL next year, but I expect next year to be more about improving his running and fitness, learning the game/game style, learning to play forward and getting used to playing against men and getting a feel for higher tempo footy.

If any of our draftees is going to haven an impact next season it will be Giles. He's a bit like a young Jarrad Waite, but not playing in a shithouse team. Quite capable of slotting into a pocket or flank at either end or playing as a defensive wingman.
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Don't forget that Cripps will also get wiser and stronger and hge'll still be bigger than most other AFL mid-fielders.

What that ultimately amounts to, we'll just have to see. Physical attributes aside, the kid has a good head on his shoulders. That's half the battle.
 
HARKER said:
Don't forget that Cripps will also get wiser and stronger and hge'll still be bigger than most other AFL mid-fielders.

What that ultimately amounts to, we'll just have to see. Physical attributes aside, the kid has a good head on his shoulders. That's half the battle.
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And most importantly, Cripps himself admitted on that AFL.com.au video he is still unsure of how to use his strength & size which means maybe he wasn't just rag dolling the other 18 year olds and that once he can harness his strength he will be even more imposing.
 

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HARKER said:
Don't forget that Cripps will also get wiser and stronger and hge'll still be bigger than most other AFL mid-fielders.

What that ultimately amounts to, we'll just have to see. Physical attributes aside, the kid has a good head on his shoulders. That's half the battle.
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Yep, no doubt he will turn out a good one, just keep an eye on his numbers in the VFL and wait for that first 30 possession game. Big midfielders can be a bit like key position players, they take a while to develop mainly because they are so reliant on a mature body (combination of strength and ability to run). No need to expect a guy like this to impact straight away, the club is spot on in thinking he will take half a season at least before being a show for the AFL. No need to wear him out too early, his role is a brutal rough one and the AFL is tough footy, much more so than VFL.
 
Welcome Crippa :thumbsu:
A good pick at 13, as Mick said we picked what our club rated as the best available and Rogers' comment on only kids that'll fit our culture.
People that go on about how Cripps is not athletic enough, all need some perspective. Put yourself in an 18 year old kid's shoes, in his case, to have the growth spurt of 20cm and also broke his leg around the same time in the past couple of years is not easy to manage. He has been a smart runner, knows where to go, and that's what you look for in players. They need to have their skills and footy smarts in place, fitness can always be worked on and from the videos and interviews that has been posted so far, his character will drive him to success.
Think about it, f he can get to the right spots already, imagine what he'll be like when he builds a tank.
We've drafted enough athletes, this is a football game, let's draft some footballers.
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Well being an wa boy myself im abit annoyed you got Crippsy, I really think he could be a very very very good midfielder and putting on a show at times when he's inform. So congrats on getting this kid and im sure he can destroy teams like the dons, cats, hawks etc so i hope you like my post and good luck in 2014
 

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A_McKay said:
Different head recruiter who has the final say.

You do realize that right?

:p

Rogers appears to favour self starters over the players Hughes picked. In terms of drive and intensity, they appear to be more like Kreuzer than Hampson.
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Rogers also appears to be selecting mids who can rotate through the flanks rather than trying to recruit flankers who can rotate through the middle (and fail at it)
 
etsal1 said:
And most importantly, Cripps himself admitted on that AFL.com.au video he is still unsure of how to use his strength & size which means maybe he wasn't just rag dolling the other 18 year olds and that once he can harness his strength he will be even more imposing.
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I am nearly 50 and I still dont know the full extent of my strength... mind you, I have never had to really push myself to find out.
 
gbatman said:
People need to understand that Cripps has had a great deal of success by monstering other under 18s. Next year he's going to be up against men and his strength which is his size, strength and power wont be a great advantage for him against men for some time. Don't expect him to be an immediate AFL star but rather an eventual star. In time when his running has improved and he has a mature hardened body he will be monstering other AFL players and doing what he has done in the U18s at AFL level but that will not be for some time. It will be an excellent effort if he plays AFL next year, but I expect next year to be more about improving his running and fitness, learning the game/game style, learning to play forward and getting used to playing against men and getting a feel for higher tempo footy.

If any of our draftees is going to haven an impact next season it will be Giles. He's a bit like a young Jarrad Waite, but not playing in a shithouse team. Quite capable of slotting into a pocket or flank at either end or playing as a defensive wingman.
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Personally I see things differently.

From the first round of selections I believe Cripps and possibly Aish will make the most impact next year. Cripps physicality and work in traffic mean that we'll be looking to bring him in at the first possible chance. He's quite special in that he started his U/16 career as a 170cm really tough scragger and emerged from the U/18's as a 190cm monster. From all accounts as a junior he had to be tough to fit in due to being undersized and has kept the little-guy mentality even now as a 6 foot 3, 90 kilo brick shithouse. During WA's games I thought he was the best inside midfielder and the best player behind Sheed. Was absolutely delighted when the late mail came in suggesting we'd switched from McCarthy to Cripps, as I initially hoped he may make his way into the 3rd round, but the recruiters were smart this year and realized someone would pounce.


Cripps is probably the closest player to Wines in the draft in that he's big enough to hold his own from the start of next year, but will be even scarier once they've reached their own peak physical strength. Extractors and clearance winners tend to make the best immediate impact at AFL level, as demonstrated by Crouch, Wines, O'Meara and co. Naturally reads the tap well and will be even better now that he will be receiving top-level ruck work from Kreuzer and Warnock. Will also benefit from receiving no attention next year in the Carlton midfield and will most likely be allowed to play totally unaccountable footy. Furthermore, he protects the space over the ball really well and is big enough to move players off their line, meaning he's a great candidate to help protect Judd and Murphy in the clinches and help break tags.

Ofcourse, it entirely depends on other tangibles as to how quickly he gets a game. The pressure is now on Graham, Temay, Buckley, Lucas and Menzel to have big preseasons and clamp down on a spot, because I have a suspicion Giles and Holman will be pressing claims VERY strongly. Giles may in fact be a Round 1 prospect if we want to use him as a rebounding defender or third tall forward, maybe a little longer if he's being groomed to take over the CHB job and release Hendo. Also think this puts pressure on White, Watson etc.

I also think that both him and Holman might be teaching the rest of the blokes how to tackle in a few years, and am so delighted that our recruiting staff decided to draft players with a bit of mongrel this year.
 
Looking at the footage on Cripps, he looks like he could walk right into the AFL, just like Ollie Wines.

I have the feeling that if his name wasn't Cripps (like homesick Jamie) and he was a Victorian, he would have been snapped up before the likes of Lennon, Freeman and Salem.
 

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fortynine said:
Personally I see things differently.

From the first round of selections I believe Cripps and possibly Aish will make the most impact next year. Cripps physicality and work in traffic mean that we'll be looking to bring him in at the first possible chance. He's quite special in that he started his U/16 career as a 170cm really tough scragger and emerged from the U/18's as a 190cm monster. From all accounts as a junior he had to be tough to fit in due to being undersized and has kept the little-guy mentality even now as a 6 foot 3, 90 kilo brick shithouse. During WA's games I thought he was the best inside midfielder and the best player behind Sheed. Was absolutely delighted when the late mail came in suggesting we'd switched from McCarthy to Cripps, as I initially hoped he may make his way into the 3rd round, but the recruiters were smart this year and realized someone would pounce.


Cripps is probably the closest player to Wines in the draft in that he's big enough to hold his own from the start of next year, but will be even scarier once they've reached their own peak physical strength. Extractors and clearance winners tend to make the best immediate impact at AFL level, as demonstrated by Crouch, Wines, O'Meara and co. Naturally reads the tap well and will be even better now that he will be receiving top-level ruck work from Kreuzer and Warnock. Will also benefit from receiving no attention next year in the Carlton midfield and will most likely be allowed to play totally unaccountable footy. Furthermore, he protects the space over the ball really well and is big enough to move players off their line, meaning he's a great candidate to help protect Judd and Murphy in the clinches and help break tags.

Ofcourse, it entirely depends on other tangibles as to how quickly he gets a game. The pressure is now on Graham, Temay, Buckley, Lucas and Menzel to have big preseasons and clamp down on a spot, because I have a suspicion Giles and Holman will be pressing claims VERY strongly. Giles may in fact be a Round 1 prospect if we want to use him as a rebounding defender or third tall forward, maybe a little longer if he's being groomed to take over the CHB job and release Hendo. Also think this puts pressure on White, Watson etc.

I also think that both him and Holman might be teaching the rest of the blokes how to tackle in a few years, and am so delighted that our recruiting staff decided to draft players with a bit of mongrel this year.
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Hope you're right.
 
gbatman said:
People need to understand that Cripps has had a great deal of success by monstering other under 18s. Next year he's going to be up against men and his strength which is his size, strength and power wont be a great advantage for him against men for some time. Don't expect him to be an immediate AFL star but rather an eventual star.
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Like Wines? :p

This pick backs up why I didn't want to trade 13 for Adams. Thought we would be able to find a big mid with our first selection. Compared to Adams, he's a man mountain. Appears to have more character and maturity than the Collingwood six footer who belted someone.

Liked the sound of a Dumont, but his highlights were a bit boring and vanilla like others noted. Cripps vision, agility and ability to find a receiver is terrific. Nice turning circle for a player that big. Looks a physical version of Pendlebury with his poise and size in traffic. Doesn't bomb the ball like Robinson.
 
Bronze said:
Looking at the footage on Cripps, he looks like he could walk right into the AFL, just like Ollie Wines.

I have the feeling that if his name wasn't Cripps (like homesick Jamie) and he was a Victorian, he would have been snapped up before the likes of Lennon, Freeman and Salem.
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Possibly, but this was an incredibly talented top 15. Getting to Pick 13 is about right considering who was taken in front, whether by clubs needs or on talent. If you look at the pure midfielders who went ahead of him: Kelly, Bontempelli, Salem, Freeman and Sheed, all of them are worthy selections. Cripps basically went as the first real inside midfielder of the draft, as we were the first club up who needed one. Definitely believe that if Cripps was available last year, he probably would have been picked up by the Doggies with one of the picks they used last year on Stringer and MacCrae. And would have gone in the top 10 on talent alone in last years draft.

People were waxing lyrical about how smooth Sheed and Bontempelli are and comparing their dynamics to Pendlebury, but for my mind the most comfortable player in the draft in traffic was Cripps. Comparisons to Diesel Williams are apt, but for me he strongly resembles Scott West too, can rack up 20-25 absolutely lethal handballs in a game and bring people into the game with link-up play. If all works as they hope, Juddy's clearance numbers should start to decrease significantly over the next 12-24 months as we finally have started to accumulate some players who are inside specialists, rather than defensive midfielders who we seemed to be obsessed with for a period.

Totally with Shifter on this year, best top 15 picks in a decade by a long shot.
 
A_McKay said:
Like Wines? :p

This pick backs up why I didn't want to trade 13 for Adams. Thought we would be able to find a big mid with our first selection. Compared to Adams, he's a man mountain. Appears to have more character and maturity than the Collingwood six footer who belted someone.

Liked the sound of a Dumont, but his highlights were a bit boring and vanilla like others noted. Cripps vision, agility and ability to find a receiver is terrific. Nice turning circle for a player that big. Looks a physical version of Pendlebury with his poise and size in traffic. Doesn't bomb the ball like Robinson.
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Would be great if he has a season like Wines has had, I don't know if his running is at the same level as Wines but it's early days. He's definitely the model modern age AFL midfielder.
 
LemmingMaster said:
I know, I'd love to pump up a sharks player, just a few SA boys that looked good and the WA coach was rather high on Acres as well.
Of course you have to back in the recruiters and I hope I'm wrong.
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Would love to ask Wells why they passed on Dumont.

:p

I do like Norf's recruitment of bigger players. They passed on Kennedy who was supposed to be the next Brent Harvey. Other clubs must back their leaders to turn the likes of Adams and Garlett around, Hartung and Grundy seem to have different personalities. A bit like Robinson. Some claim that Hartung put a few noses out of joint at his junior club.
 

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