Toast 9 Prelims in 18 Seasons

whiskeytown

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I said the same thing at the beginning of the year. But I never expected it to happen like this. We all thought we were screwed a month ago. But now by hook or by crook we are at prelim and anything can happen from there.

I remember saying with Beams added it should make the ride easier but he has turned out to be a non factor.
Yeah I thought they were cooked several weeks back too. I had us dropping down to 6th... so it's been surprising. One more win and anything can happen GF day
 

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Damon_3388

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Some will say it's "meaningless" if you don't convert it into premierships, but there's only going to be one winner each year, and it's just not possible to be the winner or the best team year in, year out, so "success" needs to be measured beyond just the ultimate prize. I think you can classify this as great success, and Collingwood as a consistently successful club.

If winning a game of footy is truly a 50/50 chance over the last 18 seasons, we should've converted those 9 prelims in to 4.5 Grand Final berths (we've made 5, so check).
Further, we should convert those 4.5 Grand Final berths in to 2.25 Premierships (which we have not, yet).
Putting it like that, we're not too behind, but could be far better. I like the 4 Hawks flags they got from 6 prelims :)
One poor passage of play away from a flag in 2018
One poor quarter in the prelim from another GF in 2012
One poor quarter from another flag in 2011
Fortunate to draw the first GF in 2010
Unlucky to lose the prelim in 2007
Unlucky to lose the GF in 2002

We could have made the GF and won in 2018, 2012, 2011, 2010, 2007, 2002, which would be an epic return, and make us the most successful club in the land. All "coulda, woulda, shoulda", of course, but fine margins can make all the difference.
 
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You're right to some extent. An excuse for SOME of the losses
2002 and 2003 Brisbane and Port were easily the best two teams. In fact, over those 2 years, the Pies were 1st not he ladder after just one round (rd 3 2003). Brisbane and Port occupied the top spot in 42 of the 44 rounds.

2011 - We were easily the best or second best team, but carried injured players in the GF.

2018 - Richmond and WCE were the top 2 teams - again, we were never on top of the ladder.
 

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2002 and 2003 Brisbane and Port were easily the best two teams. In fact, over those 2 years, the Pies were 1st not he ladder after just one round (rd 3 2003). Brisbane and Port occupied the top spot in 42 of the 44 rounds.

2011 - We were easily the best or second best team, but carried injured players in the GF.

2018 - Richmond and WCE were the top 2 teams - again, we were never on top of the ladder.
yeh since 2000
 

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While everybody would like more flags, you need a lot of luck and it's a mighty fine effort to make nine prelims. We've only finished in the top 4 in eight of those seasons and minor premier twice.

In terms of how everyone else has gone and expanding this out to 2000 to reflect the duration of the current top 8 system (2019 not included):

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Never nice losing a GF of course but your never going to win one if you don’t play in them. Old effort making those prelims and winning one and heading into Grand Final week is always an awesome experience.
 

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Why bother with it then? To me the likelihood of winning the big dance is so slim that I think you need to find something else about the game to enjoy otherwise it'd just be torture.
Most golf fanatics will say the misery and frustration the game brings to their life far outweighs the joy-but you keep pursuing that incredible emotional high of another sweet strike or hole in one and that somehow makes all the stress and heartbreak worthwhile.
 

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2002 and 2003 Brisbane and Port were easily the best two teams. In fact, over those 2 years, the Pies were 1st not he ladder after just one round (rd 3 2003). Brisbane and Port occupied the top spot in 42 of the 44 rounds.

2011 - We were easily the best or second best team, but carried injured players in the GF.

2018 - Richmond and WCE were the top 2 teams - again, we were never on top of the ladder.
While everybody would like more flags, you need a lot of luck and it's a mighty fine effort to make nine prelims. We've only finished in the top 4 in eight of those seasons and minor premier twice.

In terms of how everyone else has gone and expanding this out to 2000 to reflect the duration of the current top 8 system (2019 not included):

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Never nice losing a GF of course but your never going to win one if you don’t play in them. Old effort making those prelims and winning one and heading into Grand Final week is always an awesome experience.
In a way, I can see being a top 4 side and not making a prelim as a bigger footballing "sin"/disappointment in the current top 8 system, than making a prelim and not going on to win a flag. To be one of the few teams (and the only one among the top 4-5 teams in that table in prelim appearances) to have more prelim appearances than top 4 H&A finishes is an achievement in itself. To me that says we play to or exceed our potential, rather than "wasting" the talent we have, even if it might result in a GF or prelim loss.

Not that "just happy to be there" is the mindset to have, but looking at the context of where we start from to where we end up (eg. 2018 - Go into the season not expected to be a finals side, and hadn't made finals in the past 4 years, to end up a goal away from a flag), we generally do pretty well.

When you take into account talent, age profile, injuries along the way, previous results, and what other teams are doing, taking an objective view (supporter hat off, without the arrogant "We're Collingwood, so we should be top 4/premiers every year by birthright!" train of thought) we very rarely end up below where we "should" IMO.
 

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Pies give supporters a great ride.

Sure we are left heartbroken more often than not, but having your team consistently go deep into September and record memorable finals wins is what supporting a team is all about.

02 QF v Port - No Buckley, no chance given...up stepped Lica!!
03 QF v Lions - Didak magic in Q4 seals a great win
07 SF v Eagles - extra time victory in Perth was amazing
08 EF v Adel, no Didak n Shaw (naughty boys) yet we’re still able to head to Adelaide and get the W
09 SF v Adel, Jack Anthony ‘right in front of me’!!

And then you get the PFs ranked in order of worst to best

09 PF v Geel, yuck 🤢
12 PF v Syd, had high hopes, was gutted with result.

07 PF v Geel, amazing game almost pinched one

03 PF v Port, from memory a bit of a flat one as we looked like winners all day but people concerned about Rocca and his elbow.

02 PF v Crows - first final in Melbourne for a decade, a monster Pie crowd and Rocca torp goal from 70m sent crowd into raptures - Pies we’re back in a GF!!

10 PF v Geel, the first quarter delirium everything went right, L.Brown’s leg break goal!!

11 PF v Haw, the last quarter comeback. Cloke huge. Buddy almost stealing it back. L.Ball!!! Daisy tackle of Cyril!! What a finish to a game!!

18 PF v Rich, 🇺🇸 Suck it Tigers!!

19 PF v ???

Sure, everyone would want some more flags, but we get a great run for our money more often than not and PF week has been great to us!!
 

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Means sweet FA with 2 flags in 60 years. Mediocrity at its best, don’t celebrate it. Get angry and let’s demand change.
 

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Means sweet FA with 2 flags in 60 years. Mediocrity at its best, don’t celebrate it. Get angry and let’s demand change.
You can choose to be suicidal for all but two days in the last 60 years. Pretty sad way of looking at life though.

I am happy to enjoy the ride. Thats the fun bit. Collingwood have given their supporters more good times than bad over the years.
 

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People often forget that since 1970, we have rarely been the best side of a season. We have massively over achieved to make so many GF. I would argue that only 2010 and 2011 were we the best side ( and 2011 we were beaten 3 times by the Premiers)

1990 - favourites on the day, but Essendon were the best side during the year

2003 - we were equal favourites going into the game, but in hindsight Lions were a much better side.

Of the 11 Grand Finals we’ve made since 1970 -we probably over-achieved in 9 of those seasons.

Yet this fact doesn’t diminish the pain and disappointment.
 

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2002 and 2003 Brisbane and Port were easily the best two teams. In fact, over those 2 years, the Pies were 1st not he ladder after just one round (rd 3 2003). Brisbane and Port occupied the top spot in 42 of the 44 rounds.

2011 - We were easily the best or second best team, but carried injured players in the GF.

2018 - Richmond and WCE were the top 2 teams - again, we were never on top of the ladder.
going by ladder position is folly. whilst it's a guide during the year you play teams an uneven amount of games and injuries. eg this year we have played top 8 teams 11 times where as Geelong only 9 and richmond 8. if we played GC twice then we end up in the top 2
 

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