Cars & Transportation .

[HurlsMeister18]

I just borrowed my brothers car to go and pick someone up from a party, I don't think my brother knew the cars tyres were screwed as he rarely drives the car.
Either way I didn't have any warning about it.

fair enough, the tyres on your brother's car are probably scrubbed out from him doing burnouts.

 

[Collingwood 4 eternity]

Somone on this list should be your reason to stick to the speed limit and drive safely , because whether you are killed or survive , the people closest to you in your life will be just as much a victim as you.

Another way of looking at it , is would you like another speeding careless road user to play Russian roulette with one of these people's lives?

Mother
Father
Brother
Sister
Son
Daughter
Aunt
Uncle
Grandfather
Grandmother
Husband
Wife
Fiancé
Boyfriend
Girlfriend

And the only reason that any of the people on this list turn up to your "accident" is because you failed in your execution of driving your vehicle or you have been a victim of another road user who has failed in their execution of driving their vehicle.

The first responders
The Police officers
The Ambulance officers
The Fire and Rescue officers
The SES volunteers
The Mother
Father
Brother
Sister
Son
Daughter
Aunt
Uncle
Grandfather
Grandmother
Husband
Wife
Fiancé
Boyfriend
Girlfriend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmMNcOWhjWM

[YOUTUBE]EmMNcOWhjWM[/YOUTUBE]

 

[The_Doctor]

Speed doesn't kill, stopping suddenly does.

Zee Germans manage to scoot along at 200 km/h without incident, yet we have it rammed down our throats that doing 115 on the open road or 65 in a 60 zone make us instantly dangerous.

Yeah no ****, just like falling from the top of a building wont hurt you - its when you are stopped by the ground that it hurts.

Speed limits are put in place for a reason. No one expects something out of the ordinary to happen, but it does. Going like 5km over the limit by accident im not really concerned over but people taking it into their own hands to decide what speed is safe on the road is ridiculous. There are many more things to factor in other than just whether you can control your car at that speed.

Also dont understand why people would go 5-10kms over the limit. If you are travelling about 20-30kms you would only save 1-2mins by speeding and you run the risk of causing more injury to someone in an accident and having to fork out hundreds of dollars in fines if you are caught. It just doesnt make sense.

 

[JuddsABlue]

In before a bunch of people openly admit to speeding/hooning but because other people cant drive its ok

o wait

 

[JuddsABlue]

Another thing that 99% of people never seem to mention when talking about speeding is why the speed limit is there

On a certain type of road, doing 200km could be safe, but that doesnt mean doing 200mkm/h on any random road is safe. This puts the "110 is fine!" argument to death pretty quickly

120km/h can be fine on the right type of terrain, but how do you know the road you're on is?

Many factors like road condition, corners, traffic volume and pedestrians are taken into consideration when setting a speed limit, so while you're cruising doing 80k in a 70 zone thinking its fine because you do 100km on the freeway, maybe you should think there are other reasons the speed limit is set, such as an upcoming intersection or lane changes, or dips/bumps in freeways

 

[Mr Gor]

Somone on this list should be your reason to stick to the speed limit and drive safely , because whether you are killed or survive , the people closest to you in your life will be just as much a victim as you.

Another way of looking at it , is would you like another speeding careless road user to play Russian roulette with one of these people's lives?

Mother
Father
Brother
Sister
Son
Daughter
Aunt
Uncle
Grandfather
Grandmother
Husband
Wife
Fiancé
Boyfriend
Girlfriend

And the only reason that any of the people on this list turn up to your "accident" is because you failed in your execution of driving your vehicle or you have been a victim of another road user who has failed in their execution of driving their vehicle.

The first responders
The Police officers
The Ambulance officers
The Fire and Rescue officers
The SES volunteers
The Mother
Father
Brother
Sister
Son
Daughter
Aunt
Uncle
Grandfather
Grandmother
Husband
Wife
Fiancé
Boyfriend
Girlfriend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmMNcOWhjWM

[youtube]EmMNcOWhjWM[/youtube]

I have a rock that keeps tigers away. Would you like to buy it from me?

 

[cramdogs]

I'll admit I speed on occasions. The speed limits are arbitary. If I drive on a road at 80km/h in an 80km/h zone, and and tomorrow the limit is changed to 70km/h and I continue at 80km/h, all of a sudden im a dangerous driver? No.

I much prefer to keep my eyes ahead and on the road to anticipate morons around me rather than looking at the speedo. If that means im 'dangerously' driving over the limit, so be it. At the end of they day my goal is to avoid an accident, which requires focusing on the road at a view well ahead of where im driving towards and mirrors.

What I have found is most dangerous is when cars travel at different speeds. For example: There is one main stretch of road which has a 40 zone in the vicinity of a school, but where NO kids are EVER around. It's actaully quite dangerous. Some go 40, most go 75.

 

[JuddsABlue]

I'll admit I speed on occasions. The speed limits are arbitary. If I drive on a road at 80km/h in an 80km/h zone, and and tomorrow the limit is changed to 70km/h and I continue at 80km/h, all of a sudden im a dangerous driver? No.

I much prefer to keep my eyes ahead and on the road to anticipate morons around me rather than looking at the speedo. If that means im 'dangerously' driving over the limit, so be it. At the end of they day my goal is to avoid an accident, which requires focusing on the road at a view well ahead of where im driving towards and mirrors.

What I have found is most dangerous is when cars travel at different speeds. For example: There is one main stretch of road which has a 40 zone in the vicinity of a school, but where NO kids are EVER around. It's actaully quite dangerous. Some go 40, most go 75.

You're right about different speeds being very dangerous. If only each road was marked with some type of universal speed that everybody was meant to follow. They could possibly put it on some sign on the side of the road or something

(In b4 someone yabs on about people who do 15km under the limit being more dangerous. While its bad all round, its def not as dangerous as speeding)

Also, if you cant be checking your speed and continue to drive safely, you shouldnt be driving at all. 99.99999999% of drivers should be able to read their speed while driving. The only reason I dont say everyone is because I assume there is somebody out there dumb enough not to be able to

 

[Scotland]

Yeah no ****, just like falling from the top of a building wont hurt you - its when you are stopped by the ground that it hurts.

Terrible comparison. How many people fall off tall buildings then slowly decelerate before they land then walk along the pavement?

The comparison you were looking for was between climbing a tall building and speeding. Plenty of people climb tall buildings and survive, it's only if you fall off that being at a great height is a problem...

Speed limits are put in place for a reason. No one expects something out of the ordinary to happen, but it does. Going like 5km over the limit by accident im not really concerned over but people taking it into their own hands to decide what speed is safe on the road is ridiculous. There are many more things to factor in other than just whether you can control your car at that speed.

The problem is that when people believe that exceeding the speed limit makes them dangerous they conclude not exceeding the speed makes them safe - which is very dangerous.

Speed limits are low in Australia because it's just easier to do that then improve driver training standards. If you can do 200 km/h on the Authobahn without incident, what makes doing 120 or 130 on a modern, dual carriageway in Australia so dangerous?

Also dont understand why people would go 5-10kms over the limit. If you are travelling about 20-30kms you would only save 1-2mins by speeding and you run the risk of causing more injury to someone in an accident and having to fork out hundreds of dollars in fines if you are caught. It just doesnt make sense.

Different cars drive differently at different speeds - a revelation I know. Some cars don't cruise comfortably at say 50 km/h but do at 55 or 60, and automatic cars can hunt between gears trying to maintain certain speeds.

I know my own car cruises very comfortably at 80, but less so at 70. I regularly have to focus on sitting below that comfortable cruising speed because if I go through a 70 zone at 80 I'll end up $100 (or more) out of pocket. I'd prefer to just focus on the road, but hey that's dangerous!

 

[Lemma]

It's just a glance dude. You're not supposed to look at the speedo for longer than 0.5 secs

 

[Simple Jack]

The problem is that when people believe that exceeding the speed limit makes them dangerous they conclude not exceeding the speed makes them safe - which is very dangerous.

Never seen it put better.

A couple of years ago Kings Way was changed from 70 to 60. Does that mean that one day you are a safe responsible citizen doing 70 and the next day you are a heinous criminal who's disrespect for the families of your potential victim borders on the sociopathic?

Of course not, but the problem is it has been drummed into people so hard that exceeding the speed limit=evil.

In certain circumstances like a narrow road when there are cars parked on both sides restricting visibility of the side of the road it is very dangerous to do the prescribed speed limit. You should be under it.

On that same road at 1 in the morning with no cars parked on the side of it with good visibility of any potential hazards you could do 20km/h (or more, just picked a figure) above it and be perfectly safe.

If you are going to respond with 'it doesn't matter if you are inconvenienced as long as everything is safe' then why don't we just make all cars drive at 5km/h and almost no-one will die.

Speed limits are already 40 in a lot of places, with lobbying to make them 30. So how long until it's 20? or 10?

Where does it stop? Do we ever decide that it's gone too far or are we all going to be driving walking pace in the future?

 

[Drakescoffeecake]

I only speed when I'm in a hurry.

 

[Poseidon]

The problem is that when people believe that exceeding the speed limit makes them dangerous they conclude not exceeding the speed makes them safe - which is very dangerous.

Very good point.
More important than strictly sticking to the speed limit is being 110% aware of your surroundings which too many drivers aren't.

If you can do 200 km/h on the Authobahn without incident

'without incident'? There's literally millions of accidents on the autobahn every year. Let us not go the way of the German autobahn.
Having absolutely no speed limit is a horrendous idea. Not because people will choose to drive at 200km/h, but because the difference in speed between the people who drive 200 and those who drive at the recommended 120/130 is too large. By the time the faster one realises the guy infront of him is going 80km/h slower, it might be too late to change lanes or stop.

However, the speed limit in most places needs revising.

 

[Off The Couch]

In built up areas I can see why there is a need for speed limits - the risks are just so much higher and for the most part nothing is achieved by exceeding the limit other than putting yourself and more importantly others at unnecessary risk.

Open country roads, freeways, highways etc IMO are a different matter altogether - my old home town is 4 1/2 hours from the metro area and I know it like the back of my hand having travelled it hundreds of times - I know what my car is capable of, the state of the road in certain areas, the dodgy areas where the risk factors increase tenfold and those spots that are made for cruising and I should be allowed to make the decision as to what speed I want to travel and if I'm honest, do so. The problem with that though is that others don't know it like I do and it's the unpredictable that causes the problems. We all think we are in total control of our vehicles and that we are good drivers and if it was about just the driver then exceeding limits would be fine but it's the others that you take with you or permanently maim that deserved to be considered rather than how much quicker we arrived at our destination.

One second of not paying attention can change lives forever regardless of the speed we are traveling but how fast we are going can determine the extent of that impact and if that means doing 40 in a school zone then so be it. As someone else said, if you enjoy driving fast then unfortunately until you experience the loss of someone you love through road trauma, it's going to be difficult to understand where others are coming from.

I also can't relate to those who whinge about fines and losing their licences or accuse govt.'s of revenue raising - if your happy to exceed the speed limit then you should be happy to wear the cost of that

 

[Lemma]

People complain about speed limits, ok some of your points are OK
but what is the alternative? You do definitely need to enforce a speed that people have to go

 

[JuddsABlue]

People complain about speed limits, ok some of your points are OK
but what is the alternative? You do definitely need to enforce a speed that people have to go

Yeah this is pretty much the nuts

Enforcing speed limits is the only option, and if people obeyed them there would be an extremely fewer amount of accidents per year

 

[Doctor Feel]

Speeding isnt ok in most instances. If you are caught speeding, deal with the fine. Don't hate on the cops, it was entirely in your hands. I never understand the hatred for the Police when it was entirely your fault, not your cars fault, not the cops fault, not the speeding signs fault. Your fault.

The thing im sick of is people in their absolutely shit run down holdens weaving in traffic, putting their foot down and generally being loud and dangerous ********s. Your car may be shit, your life may be worthless but mine sure as hell isn't.

 

[BomberFletch31]

One second of not paying attention can change lives forever regardless of the speed we are traveling but how fast we are going can determine the extent of that impact and if that means doing 40 in a school zone then so be it. As someone else said, if you enjoy driving fast then unfortunately until you experience the loss of someone you love through road trauma, it's going to be difficult to understand where others are coming from.

I agree with your first point. It is inattention on the roads that can kill regardless of the speed you're going at. But your second point presupposes that the moment you speed, you will have an accident. Speed is not directly correlated to the road toll. What has more impact is the behaviour of the drivers, the condition of the roads, and the cars they drive. There is far too much emphasis placed on "speed" as a cause of accidents, which is a non-sequitur. Speed by itself cannot possibly cause a crash. What causes accidents is the loss of control of the vehicle; bad judgment by the driver; inattention; or just plain stupidity .... or a million other different reasons.

Enforcing speed limits is the only option, and if people obeyed them there would be an extremely fewer amount of accidents per year

ROFLMAO

Speeding doesn't kill. Driving too fast for the prevailing road conditions, however, is an entirely different story. But that falls into the 'driver stupidity' category, not speed. And before you say 'exceeding the speed limit = driving too fast', it really isn't.

 

[Off The Couch]

I agree with your first point. It is inattention on the roads that can kill regardless of the speed you're going at. But your second point presupposes that the moment you speed, you will have an accident. Speed is not directly correlated to the road toll. What has more impact is the behaviour of the drivers, the condition of the roads, and the cars they drive. There is far too much emphasis placed on "speed" as a cause of accidents, which is a non-sequitur. Speed by itself cannot possibly cause a crash. What causes accidents is the loss of control of the vehicle; bad judgment by the driver; inattention; or just plain stupidity .... or a million other different reasons

I never meant to imply that speeding was the cause of accidents I was acknowledging the reasons behind the limits that are put in place. It may be inattention, loss of control, whatever the reason but by traveling at a certain speed in a particular area MAY lesson the overall outcome should an accident occur. Speed may not be the reason for the accident but it can play a role in whether we live or die

 

[Lemma]

Speeding doesn't kill. Driving too fast for the prevailing road conditions, however, is an entirely different story. But that falls into the 'driver stupidity' category, not speed. And before you say 'exceeding the speed limit = driving too fast', it really isn't.

Whilst you're right to an extent, it's not like we can have several different speed limits for people because there are thousands of drivers on the road, with vastly different skill and experience levels.

 

[Simple Jack]

Whilst you're right to an extent, it's not like we can have several different speed limits for people because there are thousands of drivers on the road, with vastly different skill and experience levels.

No, at the moment we can't. Because the emphasis is on blindly following a set limit which in a lot of circumstances are unsuitable both to high and low.

Some of the (unsigned) winding roads in the country you would be struggling to get up to 100 safely so you should stay under it. By the same token there are places (and situations) where the speed limit is undoubtedly too low.

An industrial area with little traffic outside of business hours that has a single lane (each side) road which is about 4 car widths wide, with great visibility on either side of the road, the arbitary 'all round' speed limit of 50 is just ridiculously low (at night/weekends).

We already have time conditional speed limits (school zones), there is no valid reason not to have something like '6am-6pm Mon - Fri 50, all other times 70' in places like that.

By the way, here are some ways speed is controlled in other countries

Minimum speed limits

Some roads also have "minimum speed limits", where slow speeds can impede traffic flow or be dangerous[19] and on motorways slower vehicles such as horse drawn vehicles, bicycles and mopeds can be banned, e.g. in the United Kingdom.[20]
Signs often use blue circles based on the obligatory signs of the Vienna Convention on Road Signs and Signals. A Japanese minimum speed sign has the same design as a maximum speed sign but with a horizontal line below the number. In the United States of America, they are also identical to their respective maximum speed limit signs with the exception of the text "MINIMUM SPEED".


There are also signs in the US which have a 'night' limit which is higher than the day limit (less pedestrian traffic etc)


And by the way, on the Autobahns which have no speed limit (mostly);


The overall road traffic safety of German autobahns is comparable to and in some cases better than that of other European highways. According to the statistics collected by the International Traffic Safety Data and Analysis Group,[9] there were 2.2 road user fatalities per billion vehicle kilometers on German autobahns in 2008. Neighboring countries with available data include Belgium (4.2 in 2007), the Netherlands (2.1 in 2009), Denmark (2.5), Austria (4.2), Switzerland (1.2), and France (1.8). Using the same statistic, 4.5 fatalities have occurred in the United States on motorways.


Speed is not even close to the problem. Lack of quality driver training in Australia is.

But of course mandating quality driver training will cost money, and it's just easier to drop speed limits everywhere

 

[Scotland]

'without incident'? There's literally millions of accidents on the autobahn every year. Let us not go the way of the German autobahn. Having absolutely no speed limit is a horrendous idea. Not because people will choose to drive at 200km/h, but because the difference in speed between the people who drive 200 and those who drive at the recommended 120/130 is too large. By the time the faster one realises the guy infront of him is going 80km/h slower, it might be too late to change lanes or stop.

There are plenty of accidents on Australian roads, too.

Motorways are supposed to work with traffic getting progressively faster towards the outermost or 'fast' lane. Drive on an Australian road and you'll invariably find people putting along below the prescribed speed limit in the outside lane and people undertaking to get past them - how is that safe? You don't jump in the fast lane at the local pool then complain that people are swimming into you as you splash about like a Labrador, so why would you drive in the outside lane if you only want to to 100 km/h?

The reality is doing 130 or 140 km/h (or faster) makes bugger all difference to doing 110 km/h if you maintain sufficient distance between you and other cars and actually know how to drive...

 

[DerpWerls]

Yeah let's drive 200 kmph that will be much safer. Honestly how quickly do you need to get somewhere.

 

[Simple Jack]

Yeah let's drive 200 kmph that will be much safer. Honestly how quickly do you need to get somewhere.

Really stupid argument.

By your logic all cars should be speed limited to 5km/h for ultimate safety because "honestly, how quickly do you need to get somewhere?"

 

[The_Doctor]

Really stupid argument.

By your logic all cars should be speed limited to 5km/h for ultimate safety because "honestly, how quickly do you need to get somewhere?"

Even more stupid argument