99 coaches since sheedy

[walshy1993]

i know this was published in the paper earlier this week, but i just wanted to say what an outstanding achievment this is
he is undoubtably the greatest coach ever, not just in the way he is able to change football on the field but also the magnificent job he does promoting the game and getting people through the gates

since 81, there has been 99 coaching changes in the vfl/afl, richmond have had 11 and sydney 10
what a great record, he is a genius

 

[Dan26]

His best attribute is developing a team. Tactically, Pagan is probably better (in terms of game plan), but Sheedy knows how to build a great team from the ground up.

And he can do it relatively quickly too. In 20 seasons, only 2 (1987, 1997) have we lost more than we have won. That is remarkable.

He is also a master politician. There have always been board members at Essendon who wanted him to go, but he remained despite them. He is a survivor.

I've often thought, how would history have changed if he stayed at Richmond (where he was an assistant coach in 1980) and started coaching the Tigers in 1981. How would they have gone ? And how would the Bombers have gone ?

I just thank god we got him.

 

[servo]

Yep Sheeds is a legend.

No good thanking god though, he only does what Sheeds tells him to.

 

[kenny_lingers]

Reading his book ... "a touch of cunning" at the moment. It is about 5 years old but a great read to anyone who hasn't read it yet.
What a tough player he must have been but sure is a positive person.

 

[WCE2000]

Yeah, he is a great coach, up there with the best of them.

The unfornunate side of this thread is that Rooboy is going to come in and start finding something to bag about Sheedy.

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[Richmondfan#1]

Yep, I must admit he is a supa-coach and although Richmond have gone through 11 coaches, I have a feeling 'spud' is the one.

 

[dees01]

Yes he is a great coach but have you heard of someone by the name of Norm Smith or Ronald Dale Barassi??

 

[walshy1993]

typical jealous answer from you dees

ive heard of them, what exactly makes them better than sheedy, what did they do to make the game as good as it is now, there are thousands of football supporters that the game would lose if it wasnt for kevin sheedy

 

[sainter]

Walshy,

Sheedy's innovative ideas of developing the sport is seperate from his actual coaching.

While I am not underestimating how good a coach he is, I don't think you should dismiss legendary coaches such as Norm Smith or Ron Barassi because a Melbourne supporter suggested them.

 

[walshy1993]

yeah that was a bit strong, but i ask this
if essendon didnt beat melbourne in the grand final would dees have made that statement? i dont think so

there have been many great coaches, including smith and barassi but sheedy is more than just a coach, more than any other coach in history he has got people to the game, he has promoted it better than anyone and he has ensured that people are still talking about afl football

 

[dees01]

What am I jealous about? I am very happy with our current coach. Yes Sheedy has promoted the game very well but why does that make him the BEST coach? Also, if you want to talk about promoting the game, Ron Barassi has done a good job promoting the game in Sydney.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Welshy... Walshy... what ever the fucck your name is why don't you go and sit in the corner and have a cry... someone else had a different opinion then yours... HOLY SHIT... does that mean you are wrong...

urrrrrrrr... I wonder...

BTW... IMHO... I think sheedy is the second best coach in this era... and when you consider the resources and players at his disposal... you would expect more then 4 flags in 20 years... and is 1997 his fault or the teams fault???

 

[BigHawk]

An unbiased point of view on Sheedy

A survivor who has exceptional marketing skills (throat gesture was unfortunate) and knows what gets people to the game. Very cunning and has the charisma that gets the best out of players.
NOBODY will even come close to his record for longevity. Has won his fair share of premierships and contributed largely to what the game is today. STRATEGICAL CHESS.

For all his positives, he does have an equivalent number of negatives from a non-Essendon footy supporter’s point of view.

He acts very arrogantly when he knows his side will win a game by throwing his team around.
He dislikes people questioning his thinking (ask his coaching assistants and the media).
Longevity is one thing, ability and results another. Personally, I believe there are a few ahead of him in terms of greatness.

But he will be known in time as a legendary coach. No doubt there. The question is for longevity or for results.

 

[Pessimistic]

Actually it is 97

Journalistic licence but Jeans-Joyce-Jeans-Joyce at Hawthorn (during a successful era the Bombers are still dreaming of.) counts as 2 coach changes not 4 IMHO. So where the sun had 99 changes it's really more like 97 - and they included 'caretaker' coaches

If you count that way the hawks have had the next least changes with 5.

Sheeds ? His survivoe status is way above his Coaching prowess. In the recent 'team of the nineties' the three candidates for ruckman spent most of their rucking time at other clubs (Salmon, Harry Madden, Barnes) Is that pig headedness or misunderstood genius ?

 

[walshy1993]

bighawk why is it arrogant to ,ove your team around once you have won a game, i thought that would be forward thinking
what would happen if fletcher and wellman went down in a match and lloyd had to play back, or if lloyd and lucas went down and fletcher had to go forward, its not arrogance, its preparing your players for what might happen

Pess- there were reasons behind each three of those players leaving. harry madden left because he was always going to play second to simon, salmon left because he wanted to play more ruck and essendon got wellman and barnard out of the deal who are both still playing were as salmon is not, and barnes was wild and simply him and sheedy didnt see eye to eye, traded him for denham who became a premiership player and best and fairest winner, so if you think thats pig headedness good luck to you.

If essendon or any founding club had won one premiership every 5 years then they would have around 20 at the moment, that is four more that essendon and carlton have now, sheedy has won one every five years and that is a great effort, no other club other than hawthorn has won more than 4 in sheedys era

rooboy you may expect more than 4 premierships in 20 years
but i would expect more than four premierships in 75 years, should have thought that one out rooboy before you stupidly posted that crap you seem to keep coming up with in an attempt to catch dan in number of posts

 

[BigHawk]

Walshy1993

I take your point it is forward thinking to experiment with key players out of their normal positions. However, how many times do you have to experiment before knowing whether someone can play in defence?

Against Carlton this year (the first meeting early in the season) Sheedy played Hird and Lloyd in defence after half time so as to show the game was won. It was quite apparent after 5 mins that Lloyd and Hird would never make decent backmen because their nature is to show flair and create. They struggled and Carlton begane to erase some of the deficit. They are brilliant players elsewhere on the field and Sheedy would know beforehand that they aren’t suited to defence.

As an aside, this movement or experimenting with players may have worked against the Dons in 1999. I work with an official from a rival club and remember him saying that Sheedy is too clever for his own good. Leading up to that game I remember telling him Carlton had no hope of beating Essendon. I was told that Sheedy had disorientated his team over the previous 5 weeks. Now it may have been a coincedence that Carlton won, but I thought it had some merit.

And what of the snide remarks by Sheedy to Judge’s comments. That was pure arrogance. Not sure who gave him the right to say half forward flankers were piss weak.

Like I said, he is a very good coach but he is not pristine. He has done wonders for the Essendon footy club but you can’t attribute it all to Sheedy. I believe his support staff including recruiters have made his job a little easier.

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by walshy1993:
rooboy you may expect more than 4 premierships in 20 years
but i would expect more than four premierships in 75 years, should have thought that one out rooboy before you stupidly posted that crap you seem to keep coming up with in an attempt to catch dan in number of posts

Walshy....
Firstly - we call him Scum now...
Secondly - I don't give a fucck about number of posts...
Thirdly - I can assure you if North Melbourne had the resources available... that essendon have had during Sheedy's control... we would have many more flags then Essendon... JUST STATING MY OPINION... please don't cry...

But as it stands we both have 2 AFL Premierships and that is what, matters...

 

[Awww Gee]

Ok Rooboy you say "IF we had" Do you think Essendon just sit there and the money comes?
They work hard for it. Why come out with "IF". You have had success yet in your opinion obviously North can do better. One of the queastions asked by me before Why? are North not more successful in the administrative members etc. Essendons membership was under 20,000 10 or so years ago and a lousy (in my opinion) two premierships more and the difference is amazing even after them filling the AFL's coffers with fines etc. Instead of the Jealous ""if we had" YOU tell us (without your usual abuse if poosible Why don't North do better?

 

[walshy1993]

bighawk, at half time in that ess-carl match essendon were doing it easy
now the second time we played carlton in the home and away season in 99 we thrashed carlton by a larger amount, it was said in the press by carlton players that that match gave them so much ammo for the finals, and sheedy said himself that winning by that much was the worst thing essendon could have done
i think you will find that thats the reason sheedy moved his players around aswell, to make sure carlton didnt have any ammo for the finals

rooboy as aww gee kindly put it, there is a reason that nth melb dont have the resource that essendon dont

and rooboy do you have to make every single thread a slinging match between essendon and nth, its old, its boring and you're not getting anywhere, essendon is the richest, has the best players, the best coach, the best staff, the best supporters and is just the greatest

 

[Rooboy 96]

Walshy... as you can see if you read below... I did not start the slaaging match I just stated an opinion... but as usual all the Essendon boys and girls could not handle it....

Originally posted by Rooboy 96:
Welshy... Walshy... what ever the fucck your name is why don't you go and sit in the corner and have a cry... someone else had a different opinion then yours... HOLY SHIT... does that mean you are wrong...

urrrrrrrr... I wonder...

BTW... IMHO... I think sheedy is the second best coach in this era... and when you consider the resources and players at his disposal... you would expect more then 4 flags in 20 years... and is 1997 his fault or the teams fault???

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by walshy1993:
rooboy you may expect more than 4 premierships in 20 years
but i would expect more than four premierships in 75 years, should have thought that one out rooboy before you stupidly posted that crap you seem to keep coming up with in an attempt to catch dan in number of posts

Oh look who turned it into a slanging match between North Melbourne and Essendon... FUCCKEN AMAZING... Talk about calling the kettle black...

 

[Grendel]

Ive said it before about Sheedy and i dont care about saying it again.

He inheirited a great side in the making in the eighties (most of the word had been done by Billy Stephen who brought in the Maddens/Watsons/Vanderhaars etc) and he topped it off by getting Baker (gggrrr). But he stuffed it up in the second half after (regardless of injurys, the Hawks and Blues had their share too in that time) of the eighties.

The 93 flag was a suprise and that they to failed to really go on with it shouldnt some of the blame be directed at the coach? They to looked set for a period of dominance that never happened.

Now they have another shot at a dynasty. On historys past performance this is where Sheedys claim to greatness has failed him before. This years sucsess nobody can take from him, though credit should also be given to Shaw and Harvey.

Sheedys a good coach, maybe even a great one.

Best ever? Not even close.

btw walshy its just my view

Cheers

I love the beer smilie.

 

[??]

Originally posted by Awww Gee:
Ok Rooboy you say "IF we had" Do you think Essendon just sit there and the money comes?
They work hard for it. Why come out with "IF". You have had success yet in your opinion obviously North can do better. One of the queastions asked by me before Why? are North not more successful in the administrative members etc. Essendons membership was under 20,000 10 or so years ago and a lousy (in my opinion) two premierships more and the difference is amazing even after them filling the AFL's coffers with fines etc. Instead of the Jealous ""if we had" YOU tell us (without your usual abuse if poosible Why don't North do better?

NO REPLY ROOBOY OR ANOTHER QUESTION IGNORED???

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by Awww Gee:
Ok Rooboy you say "IF we had" Do you think Essendon just sit there and the money comes?
They work hard for it. Why come out with "IF". You have had success yet in your opinion obviously North can do better. One of the queastions asked by me before Why? are North not more successful in the administrative members etc. Essendons membership was under 20,000 10 or so years ago and a lousy (in my opinion) two premierships more and the difference is amazing even after them filling the AFL's coffers with fines etc. Instead of the Jealous ""if we had" YOU tell us (without your usual abuse if poosible Why don't North do better?

I am trying my hardest to understand whaat in the Fucck you are carrying on about... If I have it right the question is "Why don't North do better?"

so on the playing field... 2 premierships 3 grand finals and 7 preliminary finals in the last seven years... this sort of success will be hard to imagine in a few years time... considering player lists were being chopped... Salary Caps and Drafts were in place to even out the competitionyet one very small suburban football club was so far able to finish in the top 4 for seven years in a row... in a 16 team competition...

Membership has increase from 3,000 in the to over 25,000 in the last 10 years... that is an increase of 22,000... no problem there...

now you explain how they can do better and why they have to do better....

I will take a top four finish every year and a premiership every now and again... would you???

 

[Rooboy 96]

Originally posted by ??:

NO REPLY ROOBOY OR ANOTHER QUESTION IGNORED???

well fucck if you don't mind... give a bloke a chance to answer... now smartarse where are all the replies I expect...

GUTLESS FUCCCKEN PRICKS...

[This message has been edited by Rooboy 96 (edited 03 October 2000).]