Analysis A bit concerned

[DarkSaint]

I would love to get my hands on the stat for Free kicks that actually lead to a scoring opportunity, now that stat would be golden. A free kick to us in the back pocket compared to the opposition in their forward 50 still counts as 1 each, but the result of that free kick is huge.

 

[George]

Clubs down the bottom of the free kick list have mainly been down the bottom of the ladder in that period and it does make sense a less skilled player can give more frees away than a better skilled player. Seen it for 40 years to know it isn't a coincidence so it makes complete sense and backed up by numbers. Still no thoughts from you? Is it cheating, they don't like us, we don't go to church enough? Don't care about the Eagles but interesting.

Why are you making a point about lower clubs being down the bottom but fail to explain why teams like Carlton are 2nd. It is not a direct correlation, if the free kick differential from West Coast to Carlton is over 200, the Eagles must've won the last 5 flags and have 22 Brownlow medallists in the side. Your comparisons are laughable to suggest more frees = better team. I've already given you my thoughts but obviously as always just brush any opposing view off like you never read it. There is absolutely no reason as to why West Coast should be leading the free kick count (after a number of years now) by over 200 frees. There is absolutely no reason for it. Same as to why Brisbane are so bad in this area.

Fremantle? -56, been to a grand final and won the most games out of any side since Ross took over.
Hawthorn? - 35, won the last three grand finals and made it to four straight.

I'm here arguing that the umpires aren't giving clubs like ours a fair run at it and you're here disputing the fact. I've just given you evidence as to why this is the case, and as you put it, "Don't care about the Eagles". Well what else would you like me to say? Will there be a time where I make a point that you do care about? Or only when it supports your view?

Eagles + 349
Carlton + 112

I think fans of the game deserve an explanation for that. More than double the frees paid from 1st to 2nd.

And why do you immediately shut down any notion of conspiracy? It's happened before and it's happened to all kinds of professional sports. Umpires in the NBA have come out and publicly admitted to fixing games in the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Sacramento Kings and LA Lakers. Ten of the twelve members of the gold medal-winning Spanish basketball team at the 2000 Summer Paralympics were revealed to have no disability. The '78-'79 Boston College basketball team found guilty of point shaving (maintaining a score line to come within the O/U betting line).

These things happen. Leagues aren't run by robots. For you to instantly dismiss any notion of a conspiracy is ignorant. You can't tell me that after looking at those numbers you still believe there's nothing going on. Even if whatever is potentially going on is just something as simple as the Eagles crowd influencing the decisions of the umpire, it needs to stop. We talk about equality for struggling clubs like our own yet when a unfair part of our game is brought to people's attention they shoo it away, and in your case simply don't care.

At least have a look behind the veil before making such stubborn statements.

Not trying to shit stir you and I know from experience you are difficult to deal with so I probably won't make another comment on the matter.

Cheers.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Have a laugh bud.

Way to serious.

My names Kyle btw

ohhh now it makes sense!!! Kyle!!....(nope, never met you)...but you should keep things confidential in here...just in case!!
Seriously though, calling someone by their first name is not a crime...it can just be a common courtesy. (unlike Plugger to get all offended )

I know names like Steve, Duncan, Dylan, Daniel etc frequent here (and Rahul!!) and it's quite nice to put a first name to a poster who i spend a bit of time with!! Pleased to meet you Kyle

I'm Glenn by the way!!

 

[Joffaboy]

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Was watching the game over the weekend and had a look at the stats after and it seems to me that we continually get shafted by the umpires (when it comes to us getting free kicks). So I decided to jump on footy wire and have a look and surprise surprise we are dead last at getting free kicks paid to us.


Now looking at the list there is nothing that comes to mind really besides the eagles (who do get a very good run at home). I've noticed a number of times our forwards in particular get held onto and blocked when going up for marking contests but we hardly ever get a free. I can hardly remember when one of our forwards actually got a free kick to be honest.


Just wanted to see other people's thoughts about this considering there is no game and we need to blame someone other than the coach and club

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Oh to be an Eagles supporter!

I know you cant be serious with the last line. The AFL may be fixing it? Seriously? How could even bother watching the sport if that even crossed your mind?

So you completely deny the above figures? Just a fluke? Just bad luck?

It just happens?

Give me proof contradicts the above information that we don't continually get a bad deal from the umpires.

If you cant please keep out of the conversation. We don't require ill informed mouthpieces for the AFL.

 

[Coca Carlisle]

Hate to say it but we are undisciplined at times which kind of explains the free kick differential.

But that doesn't mean we haven't been robbed on countless occasions, and not only this year!

 

[plugger66]

Why are you making a point about lower clubs being down the bottom but fail to explain why teams like Carlton are 2nd. It is not a direct correlation, if the free kick differential from West Coast to Carlton is over 200, the Eagles must've won the last 5 flags and have 22 Brownlow medallists in the side. Your comparisons are laughable to suggest more frees = better team. I've already given you my thoughts but obviously as always just brush any opposing view off like you never read it. There is absolutely no reason as to why West Coast should be leading the free kick count (after a number of years now) by over 200 frees. There is absolutely no reason for it. Same as to why Brisbane are so bad in this area.

Fremantle? -56, been to a grand final and won the most games out of any side since Ross took over.
Hawthorn? - 35, won the last three grand finals and made it to four straight.

I'm here arguing that the umpires aren't giving clubs like ours a fair run at it and you're here disputing the fact. I've just given you evidence as to why this is the case, and as you put it, "Don't care about the Eagles". Well what else would you like me to say? Will there be a time where I make a point that you do care about? Or only when it supports your view?

Eagles + 349
Carlton + 112

I think fans of the game deserve an explanation for that. More than double the frees paid from 1st to 2nd.

And why do you immediately shut down any notion of conspiracy? It's happened before and it's happened to all kinds of professional sports. Umpires in the NBA have come out and publicly admitted to fixing games in the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Sacramento Kings and LA Lakers. Ten of the twelve members of the gold medal-winning Spanish basketball team at the 2000 Summer Paralympics were revealed to have no disability. The '78-'79 Boston College basketball team found guilty of point shaving (maintaining a score line to come within the O/U betting line).

These things happen. Leagues aren't run by robots. For you to instantly dismiss any notion of a conspiracy is ignorant. You can't tell me that after looking at those numbers you still believe there's nothing going on. Even if whatever is potentially going on is just something as simple as the Eagles crowd influencing the decisions of the umpire, it needs to stop. We talk about equality for struggling clubs like our own yet when a unfair part of our game is brought to people's attention they shoo it away, and in your case simply don't care.

At least have a look behind the veil before making such stubborn statements.

Not trying to shit stir you and I know from experience you are difficult to deal with so I probably won't make another comment on the matter.

Cheers.

Why am I difficult to deal with? because I disagree about certain things. This personal stuff is unreal. Anyway forgetting that I will address your post. Most clubs down the bottom of the ladder are also down the bottom of the free kick count. Yes Carlton aren't but it seems most are so it is more than a coincidence. And it isn't laughable to suggest the better the team the more frees. The figures are in front of you. That doesn't mean there cant be exceptions. How come GF day has less frees. Better umpires but also better skilled players. Doesn't mean those sides win flags because they have more frees but its far from a coincidence. And I still cant see why you think we get less frees. Where did you tell me that? And ive also said I don't care about WCE. I thought we were having a sensible discussion of the Saints and free kicks.

I shut down the notion of conspiracy because I don't even slightly believe it. How many people would need to be involved? Why hasn't a retired umpire come out and said something. The media would pay millions for a story like that. And id rather think I'm ignorant than believe a game you obviously loved is rigged. Only a really strange person would follow a game like that. It isn't a stubborn statement. Its logical bit if you can explain to me logically why no one has ever come out and said there is a conspiracy maybe U will think about it but otherwise I will believe what I believe. Just another question if its a conspiracy why us and Brisbane? What logically reason are they wanting us to fail? And what logical reason do they want to conspire to help the WB and WCE?

 

[Joffaboy]

Why are you making a point about lower clubs being down the bottom but fail to explain why teams like Carlton are 2nd. It is not a direct correlation, if the free kick differential from West Coast to Carlton is over 200, the Eagles must've won the last 5 flags and have 22 Brownlow medallists in the side. Your comparisons are laughable to suggest more frees = better team. I've already given you my thoughts but obviously as always just brush any opposing view off like you never read it. There is absolutely no reason as to why West Coast should be leading the free kick count (after a number of years now) by over 200 frees. There is absolutely no reason for it. Same as to why Brisbane are so bad in this area.

Fremantle? -56, been to a grand final and won the most games out of any side since Ross took over.
Hawthorn? - 35, won the last three grand finals and made it to four straight.

I'm here arguing that the umpires aren't giving clubs like ours a fair run at it and you're here disputing the fact. I've just given you evidence as to why this is the case, and as you put it, "Don't care about the Eagles". Well what else would you like me to say? Will there be a time where I make a point that you do care about? Or only when it supports your view?

Eagles + 349
Carlton + 112

I think fans of the game deserve an explanation for that. More than double the frees paid from 1st to 2nd.

And why do you immediately shut down any notion of conspiracy? It's happened before and it's happened to all kinds of professional sports. Umpires in the NBA have come out and publicly admitted to fixing games in the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Sacramento Kings and LA Lakers. Ten of the twelve members of the gold medal-winning Spanish basketball team at the 2000 Summer Paralympics were revealed to have no disability. The '78-'79 Boston College basketball team found guilty of point shaving (maintaining a score line to come within the O/U betting line).

These things happen. Leagues aren't run by robots. For you to instantly dismiss any notion of a conspiracy is ignorant. You can't tell me that after looking at those numbers you still believe there's nothing going on. Even if whatever is potentially going on is just something as simple as the Eagles crowd influencing the decisions of the umpire, it needs to stop. We talk about equality for struggling clubs like our own yet when a unfair part of our game is brought to people's attention they shoo it away, and in your case simply don't care.

At least have a look behind the veil before making such stubborn statements.

Not trying to shit stir you and I know from experience you are difficult to deal with so I probably won't make another comment on the matter.

Cheers.

No drugs in AFL either. Nope, wont hear of it.

You got no proof, the Essendon players wont get a suspension, AFL never do anything wrong.

Umpires aren't targets for bookies either. Nope would never happen. Couldn't, the AFL is totally uncompromised

 

[DarkSaint]

Why am I difficult to deal with? because I disagree about certain things. This personal stuff is unreal. Anyway forgetting that I will address your post. Most clubs down the bottom of the ladder are also down the bottom of the free kick count. Yes Carlton aren't but it seems most are so it is more than a coincidence. And it isn't laughable to suggest the better the team the more frees. The figures are in front of you. That doesn't mean there cant be exceptions. How come GF day has less frees. Better umpires but also better skilled players. Doesn't mean those sides win flags because they have more frees but its far from a coincidence. And I still cant see why you think we get less frees. Where did you tell me that? And ive also said I don't care about WCE. I thought we were having a sensible discussion of the Saints and free kicks.

I shut down the notion of conspiracy because I don't even slightly believe it. How many people would need to be involved? Why hasn't a retired umpire come out and said something. The media would pay millions for a story like that. And id rather think I'm ignorant than believe a game you obviously loved is rigged. Only a really strange person would follow a game like that. It isn't a stubborn statement. Its logical bit if you can explain to me logically why no one has ever come out and said there is a conspiracy maybe U will think about it but otherwise I will believe what I believe. Just another question if its a conspiracy why us and Brisbane? What logically reason are they wanting us to fail? And what logical reason do they want to conspire to help the WB and WCE?

In grand finals, they let most things go unless its so obvious. GF are usually umpired the best because no umpire wants to call a 50/50 decision as it would stick out like dogs balls and especially on the big stage. Thats why they let most things go and people dont usually complain about GF umpiring. Most holding/blocking decisions dont get paid in grand finals as they would in the proper season just like in wet weather footy were its umpired a little differently with most thing being called play on..

 

[plugger66]

So you completely deny the above figures? Just a fluke? Just bad luck?

It just happens?

Give me proof contradicts the above information that we don't continually get a bad deal from the umpires.

If you cant please keep out of the conversation. We don't require ill informed mouthpieces for the AFL.

You want proof but wont let me comment. Are you a mod now? If you are well done. And I'm far from an AFL mouth peace but I think the umpires do a good job and ive followed the game for 50 years and haven't seen many other option but to have umpires. As for your questions that I'm not allowed to answer well here does. No I don't deny the above figures and never said I did. Just a fluke. Maybe but more likely a side learning the game. Bad luck. No probably not but a young side learning the game. I don't know if it just happens. Icant give you proof but I will go searching for it.

Sorry to answer but am polite and like to answer questions even if told not to in the same post. Its a bit confusing for my small brain.

 

[Mowman]

Wow, there is some rubbish in here today

 

[Joffaboy]

You want proof but wont let me comment. Are you a mod now? If you are well done. And I'm far from an AFL mouth peace but I think the umpires do a good job and ive followed the game for 50 years and haven't seen many other option but to have umpires. As for your questions that I'm not allowed to answer well here does. No I don't deny the above figures and never said I did. Just a fluke. Maybe but more likely a side learning the game. Bad luck. No probably not but a young side learning the game. I don't know if it just happens. Icant give you proof but I will go searching for it.

Sorry to answer but am polite and like to answer questions even if told not to in the same post. Its a bit confusing for my small brain.

Please don't play victim Plugger. As for following the game for 50 years, so what? Things have changed a bit in 50 years you know. It is now the AFL, there are SC, and drafts, there are billion $ broadcast rights, there are clubs in Rugby League states, games are played at different times on different days etc etc etc.

So your answer have no basis in fact except "trust me, I have watch the game for 50 years".

The figures don't lie, but you just blanket deny and wont even consider anything but the AFL line, a lot like the drug saga.

That would never happen either, cant, this is the AFL, we are as pure as the driven snow.

Seems like you are the only one that knows the truth Plugger.

Winston Churchill said about fanatics "They wont change their mind and cant change the subject"

Hope you aren't like that P66, you seem a reasonable bloke when except when faced with overwhelming evidence.

 

[CALL ME SNAKE]

The '78-'79 Boston College basketball team found guilty of point shaving (maintaining a score line to come within the O/U betting line).

Theres been other dodgy sports people whos cover was blown when they were caught shaving

Take this East German Woman sprinter for example

 

[plugger66]

Please don't play victim Plugger. As for following the game for 50 years, so what? Things have changed a bit in 50 years you know. It is now the AFL, there are SC, and drafts, there are billion $ broadcast rights, there are clubs in Rugby League states, games are played at different times on different days etc etc etc.

So your answer have no basis in fact except "trust me, I have watch the game for 50 years".

The figures don't lie, but you just blanket deny and wont even consider anything but the AFL line, a lot like the drug saga.

That would never happen either, cant, this is the AFL, we are as pure as the driven snow.

Seems like you are the only one that knows the truth Plugger.

Winston Churchill said about fanatics "They wont change their mind and cant change the subject"

Hope you aren't like that P66, you seem a reasonable bloke when except when faced with overwhelming evidence.

JB I'm not playing the victim at all but if you say so go for it. No answers have any basis, yours, mine or jack shite so yes you are right. No basis. And who said I know the truth. You do love the emotive words. Can you tell me about this over whelming evidence and more importantly want does the over whelming evidence show or prove?

If its cheating or a conspiracy are you saying Leigh Fisher is involved in this and are you saying not one retired umpire just hasn't come out because he doesn't want to when it could potentially be worth millions to them if they said they were told to cheat. Until there is even the slightest proof there is something untoward happening I wont be part of thinking there is. Call me naïve or any other word similar but I would rather think the best of umpires and the competition that think otherwise.

I have a pretty simple question or two for you. Firstly why would you bother watching a competition you think maybe rigged, why would us and Brisbane be the ones they want to stuff up and why would WB and WCE be the ones they want to help and lastly how does it help you thinking there is cheating going on?

 

[Saintos The ITK]

We may be overanalysing

 

[STK2020]

 

[puppy_dog7]

To me the problem is more inconsistency from the umpires every week.. Whenever there's a 50/50 decision, it almost always goes against us.. To be honest I wouldn't care about the free kicks if we got paid the same free kicks as the oppo, but what infuriates me the most is a holding the ball for example will be paid against us and then 5 min later we perform the exact same tackle and its play on. Has been happening all ****ing year! And it does my head in.

 

[Saintbloke]

I was kinda surprised by the AFL's temporary "15 metres is now a different length", kick rule which they applied on us against the Hawks in Tassie- a bit too obvious how that affected the outcome of that game eh..

 

[George]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-18/afl-to-review-umpire-conversations-with-players

Gives this issue some real clarity now.

 

[Flandersss]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-18/afl-to-review-umpire-conversations-with-players

Gives this issue some real clarity now.

See what happens when you make some noise.

Saints, take note.

 

[VDS66]

#IstandWithTheMaggots

 

[VDS66]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-06-18/afl-to-review-umpire-conversations-with-players

Gives this issue some real clarity now.

Interesting to see the outcome of this. Also what context the comment was made.

Frankly, when it comes to ducking, I have no problem with the umps doing this. Question is if a free is paid if it is legit.

But if the umps says that if he ducks he won't get a free then fair enough IMO.

I don't see this any being different to an ump telling a tagger that he will be penalised if he continues to scrag or a full back if he continues to tunnel a player.

We will wait and see.

 

[blktreacle]

Saying "if you duck you won't get frees" is fair enough but saying "You're not going to get any frees because you're a ducker" is a completely different kettle of fish

 

[mysainters]

Finally, the afl moves to stamp out drawing head high contact.

 

[DarkSaint]

I'm actually glad that we don't have players that milk the system and throw their head back like they have been shot (Macmillan last night). Young Lonie started to show signs(due to not getting some that he should, so decided to make it more obvious), so I hope he get pulled in line by Roo, Armo etc.

 

[mysainters]

I'm actually glad that we don't have players that milk the system and throw their head back like they have been shot (Macmillan last night). Young Lonie started to show signs(due to not getting some that he should, so decided to make it more obvious), so I hope he get pulled in line by Roo, Armo etc.

Schnieds made the mistake of clapping the umps once, it's kind of funny thinking about it now, but I think he forever placed himself in the 'do not pay this guy a free kick' class.