A Hawthorn induced problem

[CaptainHowdy87]

What a load of crap. Nice victim mentality you've got.

How was he wrong?

 

[Pie eyed]

I think there is a massive over-reaction to the whole thing which is coloured by peoples hatred of Hawthorn. I think Hodge had a bit of an angry brain fade and that Lewis's was a pretty dirty act.

They both will get a few weeks, Lewis probably more and will cop their punishment.

Move on.

Only decision to be made is The Gallows, The Chair or Lethal Injection...........

 

[CaptainHowdy87]

Haven't seen either incident - what kind of weeks are they looking at?

Easily 4 weeks, absolutely no less than 2 but one of the players is Hodge so he'll probably only get a week. It was cringe-worthy listening to BT and Darcy play it down and then Lingy approaching them after the game and all the talk about how classy Hodge is. They threw Wellingham under the bus for that hit on Simpson yet begrudgingly conceded Hodge "might be looking at a couple of weeks" in between the trying not to mention it and then the playing down of it during replays and as the game went on.

It's such bullshit how if the player wasn't stretchered then the punishment is so much less severe. When the intent is there then that's the main thing that matters. Hodge and Lewis both tried to take their opponents heads off. Mitsuharu Misawa would be proud of that roaring elbow Hodge delivered. He wasn't even provoked! The Norf player tugged lightly at the back of his jumper and Hodge spins around smashes him. Ridiculously over the top and a horrible example for the captain to set to the young fellas. When have you EVER seen Swanny or Pendles act like that? Now they're an example of classy players. Hodge is a thug and a bully. Always has been and always will be.

 

[IQ3]

The AFL is heading for trouble with its acceptance of the calculated thuggery that Hawthorn has brought to the code from Rugby League. Hawthorn players clearly train to deliver tackles that injure. The method has been with them for a while, but is now bedded in. The kind of thing I mean is the deliberate topple onto Franklin by Lake in last year's final. lake knew that the mark was 10 m out in the square, so there was no effective penalty available to the umpire.The repeated throwing of players to the ground in tackles is the dangerous one.
Rugby League administrators know they have a problem with this (clubs there are actually used pro wrestlers to coach players in damaging tackles), and they are looking for a solution. In our code, we have not admitted there is a problem yet. As long as commentators of TV pretend there is nothing wrong with thuggery, nothing will change.
We all saw Vince's treatment of Dangerfield. Commentary basically said "suck it up". It is dangerous, and against the rules. The much repeated vision of Dangerfield recovering from a heavy, marginally OK tackle and having his head jammed into the ground as he was getting up illustrates this. The action was either designed to injure, and therefore reportable or a deliberate attempt to prevent a player from getting to the ball which was far away. It was also a push in the back. None of this is OK.
Umpires need to be instructed to enforce the rules on these activities. So what if it interrupts the flow of the game.
Umpires need to be given some flexibility to apply extraordinary penalties for extreme acts of thuggery. Perhaps second shots at goal for goal square acts, or a sin bin system or sending off for really deliberate and dangerous acts. The Afl acted after the Yartes/Brereton hit in the grand final, because TV replays made it clear that what had happened was planned and deliberate. They need to do so again before we have a quadraplegic or dead player from one of these tackles.

Harden up, you're making our board look elementary. Hawks players aren't the first or the last to give someone a love tap over the head

 

[Mukesh]

Lewis has always been a thug.. I expected a lot more from Hodge personally as I have a lot of respect for him.

Have you been asleep all of Hodge's career ??? Both he and Lewis have at least one or two such 'brain fades' every year... 4 weeks for both...

 

[Mukesh]

Well how far from the truth can you be. Next you'll be saying Gerald Whateley and Caroline Wilson are insightful observers of the game.

There was very little in either of the Hodge or Lewis incidents, both North players were barely inconvenienced. Unfortunately, the art of football is becoming more and more like soccer, with play-acting for free kicks, ala the exaggerated Swallow dive with the snap-backed head. Do you think if he were really hit with a forceful fore-arm to the head he would have been even able to play on.

The most pathetic part of the incidents was the weak reaction of the north players, you know the push and shove and a few the nasty words was all they had in them. You know when you have been pushing weights for as long as Firrito has, and your there for intimidation and strength because he certainly isn't a footballer and that is the best you can do then it pretty weak.

North were shown up in a big way by a team that wasn't going to be put with their niggardly tactics i.e. the Thompson holds on the jumper, the preventative tackles of Firrito, the dives of Thomas and Harvey. Hawthorn made a stand and from there the game got to be decided on ability and talent. Good on them, the difference was ten goals which is about the difference between the two teams.

Personally, I think its great when Yarren smacks Chapman; and Scarlett dishes one to Ballantyne - it is not as if either of those two didn't deserve it. Football has to be a physical sport otherwise you are following the wrong sport. Either that or you want to endorse yawn-fest like the Pies vs Carlton game on Friday night.

Good to see your dementia is coming along nicely...

 

[Black_White]

Both players were mearly reacting to the coaches public actions.
If the coach can be a thug and get away with it, why can't the players?

 

[ppoiter]

First good response to what I've posted. I would like to point out though there is no campaign for one forearm to the chin can kill...as opposed to one punch. Chapman was bleeding from the temple and concussed, neither of the North players were affected by the incidents that no doubt both Lewis and Hodge will and rightfully serve suspensions for. Also look on the North Melbourne website for footage from the preseason game between the Hawks and North and see what Waite does to Stratton - identical to what Lewis did to Goldstein, he didn't get any MRP punishment at all.

http://www.nmfc.com.au/video/2015-03-08/nab-challenge-2-waite-reported

Heres your video. He was late but if you think thats identical to Lewis youre so biased theres really no point trying to have a discussion at all

 

[cleomenes]

The initial point of this thread was to highlight the way that hawthorn players are being coached to injure, particularly in the way in which they throw tacklees to the ground, and "fall" on those who mark in front of them with a view to causing injury. The techniques are many and varied and few of them are new. What is new is training to do it. The Hodge and Lewis acts were only part of the philosophy, rather than something different.
I have been amazed at the reporting of Hodge's "aplology". Swallow clearly wanted no part of it, and only reluctantly went along with it from the video I saw.
The media commentary has been insipid, with very few commentators prepared to condemn the actions as deliberate and worthy of a heavy penalty because of this. "Brain fade" excuses nothing. Intent is everything.
And finally, the Hawthorn PR team went into overdrive, getting their thugs out on best behaviour to demonstrate what fine and reasonable fellows they are. The interviewers allowed this "I let the team down" rubbish through without demur in the most supine of efforts. Any bully can apologize when his cowardly hits have got him what he wanted, and they weren't even apologizing to their victims.

 

[Maggie5]

The initial point of this thread was to highlight the way that hawthorn players are being coached to injure, particularly in the way in which they throw tacklees to the ground, and "fall" on those who mark in front of them with a view to causing injury. The techniques are many and varied and few of them are new. What is new is training to do it. The Hodge and Lewis acts were only part of the philosophy, rather than something different.
I have been amazed at the reporting of Hodge's "aplology". Swallow clearly wanted no part of it, and only reluctantly went along with it from the video I saw.
The media commentary has been insipid, with very few commentators prepared to condemn the actions as deliberate and worthy of a heavy penalty because of this. "Brain fade" excuses nothing. Intent is everything.
And finally, the Hawthorn PR team went into overdrive, getting their thugs out on best behaviour to demonstrate what fine and reasonable fellows they are. The interviewers allowed this "I let the team down" rubbish through without demur in the most supine of efforts. Any bully can apologize when his cowardly hits have got him what he wanted, and they weren't even apologizing to their victims.

I think it is a bit harsh where Hodge is concerned I don't consider him to be a 'thug', I think it was an incredible brain fade. He is tough but I have never considered him dirty. We have had some of those in the past. Lewis I have never really paid much attention to.
Anyway, the tribunal will work it out.

 

[domin8tors]

why on earth would anyone have an issue with tough play. You push the boundaries and if you cross the line you cop a suspension. and I think that it's brilliant that Teams should target " weak " players that through them off the game .