A little help needed from Lestat

[jim boy]

Originally posted by GuruJane


That series was shown on Syrian State TV. It was not an extreme example. It was the norm. Just look into what Palestine, Egyptian and Saudi Arabian media peddles. And remember they are state controlled.

Syrian leader Bashir Assad alleged that the jew were responsible for the killing of Jesus in front of the Pope. The Pope did nothing to deny it.

How can you deny or dimiss this? Or do you just don't want to know [/B]

Total Hogwash Jane, you posted this in attempt to incite hate, not debate. Now you're just trying to squirm out of it.

And anyway, it wasn't shown on Syrian State TV, it was shown on Hezbollah's own satellite channel. Not exactly a group known for its charitable attitude towards Israel. So feel free to argue away that terrorist organisations targetting israel are being influenced into becoming anti-semitic because they watch their own shows.

And as for Bashir Assad, I can only imagine he must have watched Mel Gibson's latest flick.

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Some perspective, peoples. Look at how some of these supposed "Islamofascists" from Syria ( ) entertain themselves. They don't look much different from your average Western folk.

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by Lionel Lyon
GJ, the play you posted is horrible and utterly reprehensible, but I must say that you too stunned me a few weeks ago when you wrote to Lestat,

"Now I realise you are nothing but stereotypical treacherous arab of vile Egyptian extraction whose Word cannot be taken at face value as evidenced by your public confession that you sought to trick me by not appending a Rolleyes to your apology."

Good Lord, does that kind of stuff still fly in Australia? Quite amazing really, or maybe not (sadly)...

Lionel, I just knew you would have kept a mental record of the reprehensible lapse which revealed my inner racist self.

Don't know what I was thinking of at the time. Oh yes, I do ..

was remembering Bill Clinton saying that in his last days of office Arafat rang him and said "You are a great man" Mr President," and that Clinton had replied "No I'm not. I let you make a fool of me." Several thousand dead Palestinians and Israelis later ....

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by GuruJane
Lionel, I just knew you would have kept a mental record of the reprehensible lapse which revealed my inner racist self.

Don't know what I was thinking of at the time. Oh yes, I do ..

was remembering Bill Clinton saying that in his last days of office Arafat rang him and said "You are a great man" Mr President," and that Clinton had replied "No I'm not. I let you make a fool of me." Several thousand dead Palestinians and Israelis later ....

Whaaaatever....

 

[GuruJane]

Originally posted by Lionel Lyon
Whaaaatever....

I presumed Clinton's sub text was "You lying scumbag I duchessed at the white house, schmoozed for 8 yrs even landed Airforce 1 at the putative Palestinian State's airfield that the US paid for ... and all I got back was you letting the Hamas pit bull terriers out to make sure Sharon got elected ...."

 

[Lionel Lyon]

Originally posted by GuruJane
I presumed Clinton's sub text was "You lying scumbag I duchessed at the white house, schmoozed for 8 yrs even landed Airforce 1 at the putative Palestinian State's airfield that the US paid for ... and all I got back was you letting the Hamas pit bull terriers out to make sure Sharon got elected ...."

Oh, OK, all is justified then. Now, back to the antiracist crusade...

 

[lenny&carl]

All in all, I think the main problem in the middle-east is still Israel's invasion and occupation of Palestine, rather than the racist namecalling they've all hurled at each other ever since.

L&C - by excusing this state sponsored racism as "ignorance and backwardness" in the "Arab world" you are consigning a whole race of people to perpetual third world status.

Who's excusing anything? Their cultures may be backward imho in many ways, but plenty of their people are not, of course. It's a bit like what Mahatir said... the muslims should look to the jews as an example of how a small oppressed minority can go from rags to riches. I just hope he didn't have "rape & pillage your neighbours" included as part of the example. Now whether the a-rabs can go back in time and originate/corner transnational fractional reserve banking remains to be seen.

Have you no idea of what a great civilisation the Arab/Islamists had for many centuries? And no, it wasn't destroyed by western imperialism - it was destroyed by a beneficent Ottoman Empire which ensured the Islam wld be forever backward looking.

Yes yes, i know a little about this. And from what i heard, this is where the jews often fled to to get away from murderous christian crazies. The animosity between arabs and jews these days mostly stems from what the Israelis have done in the last ~50-60 years.

So advances in western technology were eschewed (except in military) and their education system was virtually abandoned. So when the modern world hit them in the wake of WW1 all they had was tribalism to fall back on. That is the problem we deal with today. This is the tragedy of Arab IslaM.

It takes chutzpah for a jew to criticise tribalism! I'm neither here nor there about it, except for when any particular tribe bangs on about how important or interesting or special they are. Because none of us really are.

 

[^Eagle^]

Obviously GJ has posted this example in to raise awareness of the immense racism in so-called "peaceful" countries.

About the example, i find it embarassing to the Arabic/Islamic culture that an Islamic State has allowed a TV broadcast of such a show, not only due to it's racism, but due to the issues delt in it. 'Blood Libel' deals with the issue of Jews using young child's blood in Matzos, as it is the 'secret ingredient', a superstition made up by the European Medieval Church which not only opposed Jews, but opposed Arabs too. It is as if a group of Jews made a movie about how nuns were lowlifes, supporting the nazi belief. The Arabic creators of 'Blood Libel' are supporting the Anti-Arab Medieval European Church's claims about Jews.

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by ^Eagle^
Obviously GJ has posted this example in to raise awareness of the immense racism in so-called "peaceful" countries.

Yes....obviously

If only Syria could be as 'peaceful' as Israel...hey Eagle. Now thats something to aim for.

PS. Eagle....killed any children lately....you know...self defence??

Originally posted by ^Eagle^
About the example, i find it embarassing to the Arabic/Islamic culture that an Islamic State has allowed a TV broadcast of such a show, not only due to it's racism, but due to the issues delt in it.

Well your not arabic or Islamic....so no need to be embarrassed hey.

And exactly which Islamic State are you talking about Eagle. Last I checked Syria was a secularist Ba'athist state. Letting your ignorance shine through hey.

Originally posted by ^Eagle^
'Blood Libel' deals with the issue of Jews using young child's blood in Matzos, as it is the 'secret ingredient', a superstition made up by the European Medieval Church which not only opposed Jews, but opposed Arabs too. It is as if a group of Jews made a movie about how nuns were lowlifes, supporting the nazi belief. The Arabic creators of 'Blood Libel' are supporting the Anti-Arab Medieval European Church's claims about Jews.

wow...great logic there.

Is that what your Rabbi has been teaching you at school this week?

 

[^Eagle^]

Originally posted by Lestat
killed any children lately

no, blown yourself up at any Bar Mitzvas or Jewish marriages lately?

Well your not arabic or Islamic....so no need to be embarrassed hey.

Did i ever say i was embarassed
i distinctively said 'embarassing to the Arabic/Islamic culture...'

And exactly which Islamic State are you talking about Eagle. Last I checked Syria was a secularist Ba'athist state. Letting your ignorance shine through hey.

Islam is the dominant religion in all of the Middle Eastern states except Israel and Palestinian areas.
Syria is in the Middle East
It is not Israel or Palestinian areas
ie Syria is an Islamic state

wow...great logic there.

Is that what your Rabbi has been teaching you at school this week?

Not really, it was actually taught to us a few months ago
http://www.indyrad.iupui.edu/public/emorris/personal/BlooLibelResponse2.htm(just the first 2 paragraphs)

Try to be the King, but the Ace is back

 

[theGimp]

This and all related arguements are simply laughable.

You realise you are all fighting and your relatives sides are killing each other over who has the better imaginary friend.

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by theGimp
This and all related arguements are simply laughable.

You realise you are all fighting and your relatives sides are killing each other over who has the better imaginary friend.

Hello Mr Arafat...what brings you here?

 

[EssJayW]

Hey lestat. are you and jane..................... you know.

 

[BlueMark]

And of course we know the Jews really like Arabs, hey Eagle.

 

[Weaver]

Originally posted by ^Eagle^
Islam is the dominant religion in all of the Middle Eastern states except Israel and Palestinian areas.
Syria is in the Middle East
It is not Israel or Palestinian areas
ie Syria is an Islamic state

I am not at all surprised that the concept of a secular state is alien to you Eagle. Perhaps Israel might like to give it a go?

 

[^Eagle^]

Originally posted by Weaver
I am not at all surprised that the concept of a secular state is alien to you Eagle. Perhaps Israel might like to give it a go?

What a ridiculous statement
Israel is a secular Jewish state - Her Prime Minister isn't even religious

 

[^Eagle^]

Originally posted by BlueMark
And of course we know the Jews really like Arabs, hey Eagle.

Times are changing, i know quite a few Muslims and all Muslims, Jews, Christians, etc mix well at parties - I even have some close Muslim friends
So, while the conservative Jew may dislike Arabs, the youth of Juadasim generally gets along with the non-extremist Arabs/Muslims

Futhermore, Israeli Arabs and Israeli Jews get along great, in fact the Palestinain terrorist group Hammas blew up a resturant where Arabs and Jews regularily met

 

[Weaver]

Originally posted by ^Eagle^
What a ridiculous statement
Israel is a secular Jewish state - Her Prime Minister isn't even religious

While I finish laughing, you should go and look up secular.

A secular Jewish state? Is that like a tall, short person?

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by ^Eagle^
What a ridiculous statement
Israel is a secular Jewish state - Her Prime Minister isn't even religious

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

On that note Eagle...I think you should go home now and play with your barbie dolls.

lol....out of all the ridiculous stupid things you've said...this one has to take the cake.

Get a clue..then come back and talk to the adults.

You really don't know what secularism is.....do you. Quick....go and ask your Rabbi...quick now!

 

[Dippers Donuts]

Originally posted by Hawkforce
My instincts agree with you, Jim Boy, but the experience of recent years has radicalised my opinion.

I've heard mainstream Israelis dismiss MEMRI and the Anti Defamation League as right wing institutions that do more harm than good in representing the Israeli state.

Since 911 that opinion has lessened - not because MEMRI and the ADL have changed, but because mainstream Israeli's have become as vilified as their regime. I've seen an anti-war Israeli, who fully supports unconditional withdrawal from the occupied territories, abused simply because he (like almost all Israeli's) served in the IDF and refused to apologise for it.

Surely we need look no further than this thread to see how skewed this topic has become - GuruJane posted a link to a tv program aired in Syria and asked Lestat, or any other arabic speaker, to translate.

LennyCarl's immediate response was to point out MEMRI'S bias. No attempt to learn what exactly had been aired on Syrian TV (even though GJ specifically left that to arabic speakers to translate).

Now, LennyCarl felt aggrieved at GJ's implication that his/her response indicated a virulent anti-semitism - but what other rational analysis can explain LennyCarl's instinctive reaction?

Surely an "objective" response would have been a link to an Israeli media example of similar unfettered hate; or a debunking of the reality of the TV program itself (which was GJ's original offer to Lestat!)???

What other motive explains the automatic denial of virulent judeophobia based solely on the fact that the accusation comes from a "Jewish" source???

That everybody's favourite bitch, Dippers Donuts, weighed in with his usual "I need to be acknowledged by GuruJane or Hawkforce to justify my meaningless existence" is to be expected. As is his inability to differentiate "Jew" from "Israeli" - surely the only reason for his choice to ignore blatant race hate while cheapshotting GJ (unless of course he believes all Jews should be portrayed like that?).

But the most damning evidence of how the Pseudoleft has chosen to sacrifice the Jews as a sop to Islamofascism actually comes from the one respondent in this thread who actually knows how widespread and virulent hate of jews is taught in the Mideast.

You.

The likes of LennyCarl and DD are simply ignorant, selfblinding, blowhards - if not actually anti-semitic, their ignorance leads them to judgements that can be described in no other way in effect.

Whereas YOU know how virulent hate is subsidised and taught throughout the entire Arab world - and, increasingly, the entire muslim world.

Not just hate of Israel - which could be endured as anti-colonialism - but hate of JEWS (the widespread teaching that the protocols of the Elders of Zion are genuine etc...) in general.

You and I disagree on many many things - but, I think, we agree on some fundamentals. I think one of them is absolute intolerance of institutionalised, culturally imprinted, racist hate.

In that context, your observation sabout MEMRI are spot on.

But the context of this thread is not MEMRI, is it? The context was about popular Arab TV's depiction of Jews.

Yet somehow we have ended up talking about MEMRI, while no one (apart from yourself, briefly), has addressed the blatant, unapologetic, vitriolic racism that is endemic not just in Syrian TV but throughout the Arab and Muslim world.



Does anyone imagine that similar sentiments are allowed on Israeli TV?

Of course not - the likes of LennyCarl and DD won't even view the bloody link! Should they do so they might have to face the fact that were popular Arab/Muslim media to be placed in an Australian context, it would be like watching "Rabbit Proof Fence" -

except that it's not just Kenneth Branagh and the hated English who should be killed - ALL Australians/English should be killed, everywhere!

I know you don't like GuruJane, and I know I'm a complete a-hole, but surely you can see that being Jewish has become synonymous with being Israeli thses days - and it's bloody dangerous?!

Well well, if it isn't my little plaything hawkie, all fire and brimstone once again.

Still cut up about the carve up I gave you on your pathetic observer french letter thread? There, there...you should be used to that by now; as everything you post here is summarily disembowelled and dispatched. Perhaps safest to stick to the desultory lostsuperpower.net.

You seem to crave my recognition and acknowledgment - I should be flattered I suppose. My very own net stalker!! Although I kind of hoped my net stalker was a pretty, vacuous piece of fluff. Hang on...

As for the thread subject in question, it is only the thick such as yourself who can't see that this is simpy your alma mater once again indulging in a bit of shyte stirring of lestat. No serious responses necessary.

You keep punching tigger - I'm lovin it!!

 

[theGimp]

Originally posted by Lestat
Hello Mr Arafat...what brings you here?

To answer this one quickly... You bring me here Lestat, I have been watching from afar for a while now, you excite me with your passion about these subjects,

Is is not allowed for me to point out my own beliefs here or do I need to make up some kind of imaginary being who I will pretend to worship when it suits me to become one of the gang.

And you couldnt be more wrong comparing me to Arafat, Im sure he has an imaginary frind to blame things on when it suits him too. I alas, do not. Well apart from Darth Vader that is.

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by ah_19
jane/hawk

if you want an answer i will give you one, regardless of the fact that MEMRI has about as much love for the muslim world as ariel sharon.

But first, you want an answer, you give me one.
I posted this a while ago, but nobody replied, now you want lestat to reply?

you want hate speech, explain why being the champions of peace and justice that you are, you never brouth this up, or why you never justified any of it, have fun


And David Ben Gurion (the first Israeli Prime Minister) wrote: " If I were
an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal;
we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how
could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been
Anti-Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault?
They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why
would they accept that?" (Quoted by Nahum Goldmann in Le Paraddoxe Juif
"The Jewish Paradox", pp. 121-122).



"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle."
Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces (New York Times, 14 April 1983)


"I am a black South African, and if I were to change the names, a description of what is happening in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank could describe events in South Africa."
Archbishop Desmond Tutu, during Christmas visit to Jerusalem, December 25, 1989 (Ha'aretz; cited in Palestine Perspectives, January/February 1990)


"When we say that the Arabs are the aggressors and we defend ourselves--that is only half the truth. . . the fighting is only one aspect of the conflict, which is in its essence a political one. And politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves."--David Ben-Gurion (1938)


Genetic research that shows Jewish and Palestinians are close relatives is suppressed, ripped out of scholarly journals, because it violates biblical and political doctrine. <http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,605798,00.html>

"... it is the duty of the [Israeli] leadership to explain to the public a number of truths. One truth is that there is no Zionism, no settlement, and no Jewish state without evacuating Arabs, and without expropriating lands and their fencing off."
-- Yesha'ayahu Ben-Porat, (Yedi'ot Aharonot 07/14/1972) responding to public controversy regarding the Israeli evictions of Palestinians in Rafah, Gaza, in 1972. (Cited in Nur Masalha's "A Land Without A People" 1997, p.98)




"I have learned that the state of Israel cannot be ruled in our generation without deceit and adventurism."

-- Moshe Sharett, Israel's first Foreign Minister and later a Prime Minister (p.51 Simha Flapan, "The Birth of Israel", 1987).


"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel.... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours ... When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do will be to scurry around like drugged roaches in a bottle."
-- Israeli Chief of Staff Rafael Eitan (Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 4/13/83, NYTimes 4/14/83)



"One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."
--Rabbi Ya'acov Perin in his eulogy at the funeral of mass murderer Dr. Baruch Goldstein


"In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs: Get out! If they don't agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force."

--Professor Ben-Zion Dinur Israel's First Minister of Education, 1954 from History of the Haganah



" Here lies the saint, Doctor Baruch Kapal Goldstein, blessed be the memory of the righteous and holy man, may the Lord revenge his blood, who devoted his soul for the Jews, Jewish religion and Jewish land. His hands are clean and his heart is clear. He was killed as a martyr of God on the 14th of Adar, Purim, in the year 5754. "

-- Thus goes the inscription on the grave, (made as a shrine visited by pilgrims), of the mass murderer Baruch Goldstein. An American Physician and an Israeli settler of Hebron, Goldstein indiscriminately murdered 29 worshipers kneeling in a mosque in 1994.

"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion."
--Ben Gurion



"The main difference between Bosnia and Palestine is that ethnic cleansing in the former took place in the form of dramatic massacres and slaughters which caught the world's attention, whereas in Palestine what is taking place is a drop-by-drop tactic in which one or two houses are demolished daily, a few acres are taken here and there every day, a few people are forced to leave"
--Edward Said (Washington Report 09/1998)



"... we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave -- and we will see where this process leads? In five years we may have 200,000 less people -- and that is a matter of enorous importance."
-- Moshe Dayan encouraging the transfer of Gaza strip refugees to Jordan (from Noam Chomsky's Deterring Democracy, 1992, p.434, quoted in Nur Masalha's A Land Without A People, 1997 p.92).



"I don't sign orders to destroy the houses of Jews, only of Arabs,"
-- Haim Miller, deputy mayor of Jerusalem and acting mayor in Olmert's absence, quoted in Yediot Aharonot, Feb. 7, 1998.





"I know how at least 80% of all the incidents with Syria started. We were sending a tractor to the demilitarized zone and we knew that the Syrians will shoot. If they did not shoot, we would instruct the tractor to go deeper, till the Syrians finally got upset and start shooting. Then we employed artillery, and later also the air-force... I did that... and Yitzhak Rabin did that, when he was there..."
-- Moshe Dayan in a 05/1997 revelation



Aggression: "The Jews again today appeared to be on the offensive, roughly two-thirds of the incidents being initiated by them and in their operations they showed evidence of planning, something absent in general from the Arab attacks."
-- The New York Times, 12/12/1947 from p. 53 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff, (1995)



"Till then everyone in Israel spoke about Arabs who had just run away in 1948, but there existed no real historical research on it. There were two conflicting propaganda versions, one Arab and another Jewish. As one who received his education in Israel, I thought I knew that the Arabs had 'run away.' But I knew nothing else. The Jewish generations of 1948, however, knew the truth and deliberately misrepresented it. They knew there were plenty of mass deportations, massacres and rapes . . . . The soldiers and the officials knew, but they suppressed what they knew and were deliberately disseminating lies."
-- Israeli Historian Benny Morris in an interview with Rami Tal published in Israeli Daily Yediot Ahronot December 1994.


"in 1948, we deliberately, and not just in the heat of the war, expelled Arabs. Also in 67 after the Six-Day War, we expelled many Arabs."
-- Tzvi Shiloah, a senior veteran of the Mapai Party and a former deputy mayor of the town of Hertzeliyah. (Modelet, no.12, October 1989)



Looting: "Indiscriminate plundering of Palestinian property by Jews [in 1948] was so common that it caused Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion to confide to his diary that he was 'bitterly surprised' by the 'mass robbery' in which all parts of the population participated. [...] Tom Segev reported: 'In Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem there were many civilians among the looters.' Another Israeli writer, Moshe Smilanky, reported: 'Individuals, groups and communities, men, women and children, all fell on the spoils. Doors, windows, lintels, brinks, roof-tiles, floor-tiles, junk and machine parts ...' Segev commented that Smilansky 'could have also added to the list toilet bowls, sinks, faucets and light bulbs.'"
-- p.68 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff




Partition: "after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine "
-- Ben Gurion, p.22 "The Birth of Israel, 1987" Simha Flapan.



Summary "Jews came and took, by means of uprooting and expulsion, a land that was Arab. We wanted to be a colonialist occupier, and yet to come across as moral at the same time."
-- Israeli Professor ILan Pappe (from http://www.middleeast.org/1999_01_29.htm)


Ehud Barak Ha'aretz June 3rd, 1998 issue reported a revealing slip by Ehud Barak, Rabin's Labor Party successor, sharing the frustration of the Palestinians:

"If I were Palestinian, I'd also join terror group."



"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country. ... Behind the terrorism [by the Arabs] is a movement, which though primitive is not devoid of idealism and self sacrifice."
-- David Ben Gurion. Quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.



"There is nothing quite like the misery one feels listening to a 35-year-old [Palestinian] man who worked fifteen years as an illegal day laborer in Israel in order to save up money to build a house for his family only to be shocked one day upon returning from work to find that the house and all that was in it had been flattened by an Israeli bulldozer. When I asked why this was done - the land, after all, was his - I was told that a paper given to him the next day by an Israeli soldier stated that he had built the structure without a license. Where else in the world are people required to have a license (always denied them) to build on their own property? Jews can build, but never Palestinians. This is apartheid." Edward Said, in "The Nation", May 4, 1998.



from the perspective of the Jews, (to be) the most important public-relations act ever committed in our favor" according to a Maariv columnist.
( refering to s11)

oh no, it cant be true, zionists are perfect, cuddly and love teddy bears and want to sing songs and hug you, its all the filty arabs fault

As predicted....no response from either Hawkforce or Jane.

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by theGimp
To answer this one quickly... You bring me here Lestat, I have been watching from afar for a while now, you excite me with your passion about these subjects,

I'm flattered. I hope i'm not getting you to excited.

Originally posted by theGimp
Is is not allowed for me to point out my own beliefs here or do I need to make up some kind of imaginary being who I will pretend to worship when it suits me to become one of the gang.

Of course you can. However...claiming someone else's quote as your own is a no no.

Originally posted by theGimp
And you couldnt be more wrong comparing me to Arafat, Im sure he has an imaginary frind to blame things on when it suits him too. I alas, do not. Well apart from Darth Vader that is.

Were you aware that Yasser Arafat made the very same quote that you made....you know, about religon and imaginary friends??

Hence the comparison with Yasser Arafat.

 

[theGimp]

Originally posted by Lestat

Were you aware that Yasser Arafat made the very same quote that you made....you know, about religon and imaginary friends??

Hence the comparison with Yasser Arafat.

I was not aware of this. Trust me when I tell you I was quoting my own thoughts and not his. Im sure we have very little in common.

I find it suprising.

Then again he strikes me as a man who says one thing and follows it up with the exact opposite reaction.

 

[Lestat]

Originally posted by EssJayW
Hey lestat. are you and jane..................... you know.

Definately not...but just quietly, between you and me, I think she might have a thing for me

But don't tell Hawkforce....I think he's got his eye on her. You know...always coming to her defence. Its rather cute don't you think.